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Author Topic: Zufluchtnahme und Silas online nehmen - Refuge and requesting Silas online  (Read 11684 times)

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Werte Dhammafreunde, liebe Besucher, [englisch ]

da es vielleicht für den einen oder anderen schwierig sein mag, die Möglichkeit einer formalen Zufluchtnahme zu den drei Juwelen und die Silas (Tugendregeln) zu erbitten, möchten wir ihnen hier im Forum die Gelegenheit hierfür anbieten. Dies dient nicht dazu die Möglichkeit zu ersetzen, den Schritt zu einem Mönch oder zu einer Nonne, oder zu einer eingewiesenen tugendhaften Person in ihrer Nähe zu tun, doch kann es in vielen Fällen der Fall sein, daß da keiner in der Nähe zu finden ist oder das Aufsuchen vielleicht mehr an Nachteile für sie oder andere bringt als vielleicht der Nutzen wäre.

Es wurde hierfür ein Thema im Unterforum Uposatha ceremonies (sikkhā samādāna) (dieses ist nur für angemeldete Teilnehmer einsichtig) als Die Fünf Tugendregeln erbitten angelegt.

Wir möchten Ihnen damit sicherlich ein frei gegebenes Service anbieten aber noch mehr, dazu ermutigen, von diesen "Ritual" Gebrauch zu machen, ob nun in regelmäßiger Weise zu den Uposathatagen, zum erstmaligen Bekennen, als spontane Inspiration oder zum Wiederherstellen oder Erneuern der Silas, nach einem Bruch.

Es freut und sehr, daß die ehrenwerte Kusala (eine Laienlehrerin, die sich an acht Sila hält, mit langjähriger Praxis und Wissen in Bezug auf Dhamma und Vinaya, wie auch Meditationslehrerin) sich zur Verfügung gestellt hat, diese Handlung zu betreuen. Auch meine Person steht gerne hierfür zur Verfügung.

Bitte scheuen Sie sich nicht hierfür auch in diesem Thema Fragen über Ablauf oder Voraussetzungen zu stellen. Dies können Sie auch, wenn Sie im Forum nicht angemeldet sind. Für Allgemeine Fragen zur Zuflucht und zum Annehmen der Silas, finden Sie zahlreiche Themen im Forum und Sie sind herzlich eingeladen jederzeit ein Thema zu einer Frage neu zu erstellen.

Selbstverständlich ist diese Möglichkeit mit keinerlei Kosten oder bestimmter Gegenerwartung verbunden. So wie immer im Dhamma, wenn Sie jenen, die Dhamma offen teilen, dankbar sein wollen, dann gibt es keine bessere Möglichkeit, es das Gegebene und Gelernte selbst umzusetzen.

 :-*





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Dear valued Dhamma Friend, dear Visitor,

as it may be difficult for some of you to find a way of formal access to take Refuge to the Three Juwels and to the Silas (Moral Precepts), we hereby would like to offer this possibility here in this forum. Please be aware that this is no replacement of  seeing  a monk, a nun or a virtuous person within reach  in person, but to enable the access when none of the former is right at hand or the visit itself would bring more disadvantages than benefit to the person.

Therefore a specific topic in the subforum  Uposatha ceremonies (sikkhā samādāna)   (which is only readable for registered members) was applied as Requesting the five precepts .
By offering you this service we also wanted to ensure that it was openly given and also wanted to encourage all of you to really make use of this “ritual” – may it be regularly on Uposatha Days, or as a denomination for the very first time, as a spontaneous inspiration or as a recondition or renewal of the Silas after a breach.

We are very happy to know that our valued Kusala (a laity teacher who keeps the eight Silas, who has been practicing for years, has profound knowledge of Dhamma, Vinaya and is also a meditation teacher) has agreed to look after this undertaking. Of course, I am also gladly here for your disposal.

Please, don’t be shy to ask any questions in this thread about course of actions or prerequisites. You are welcome to do this, even if you are not registered yet. For common questions for Taking Refuge or the Acceptance of the Silas, please find the numerous threads in the Forum and you are always welcome to pose a new question at any time.

It is also a great pleasure to ensure you that this new offer we have is not bound to any costs or any specific form of expected counteraction. As it is always in the course of Dhamma, the moment you receive from ones who have shared Dhamma openly with you and you want to show your gratitude, then there is no better possibility than to put the given and learned into your very own practice.


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[Danke für das Übersetzen, Sophorn]
« Last Edit: February 03, 2014, 05:01:06 AM by Johann »
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Re: Die Fünf Tugendregeln erbitten - Requesting the five precepts
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 08:33:59 AM »
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Es freut mich Ihnen mitteilen zu dürfen, das die werte Kusala sich nach Anfrage, zur Verfügung gestellt hat, ebenfalls die Zuflucht und die Silas hier innerhalb unsere Möglichkeiten zu geben.

Gerne kann man auch per PN einen "Skype-Termin" mit mir vereinbaren.
Da klappt es dann besser mit dem nachsprechen ;-)

Liebe Grüße und Metta

Kusala

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Danke schön für das großzügige Angebot, Kusala.

 :-*

* Johann hat sich erlaubt den Betrag von Kusala Anderenorts abzuschneiden und hier anzuhängen, daß jeder von dem alternativen Angebot Gebrauch machen kann.
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werte sangham.net-gemeinde,

ich möchte gerne die silas erneuern! (erneut nehmen) kann mir da jemand hier im forum behilflich sein?

alles gute
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Werter Upasika Marcel,

Anleitungen und Beschreibung der Verschiedenen Möglichkeiten, finden Sie im Uposatha/Sila ceremonies - [Uposatha/Sila Zeremonien] sikkhā samādāna  . Sollten Sie keinen Zugang haben, müssen Sie zuerst in Ihren Mitgliedschaften - Einstellungen in Ihren Profileinstellungen , die Mitgliedschaft "Saranagata" nehmen. Dann sollte das Forum für Sie sichtbar sein.

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Saranagata (Zufluchtnehmender) in die drei Juwelen (Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha) erlaubt ihnen vollen Zugriff im Dhammalehren-Bereich im Vihara und zu den Uposatha Zeremonien für Laien. In der Zeit in der Bhikkhuns oder Bhuikkhunis im Kloster verweilen, können Sie diese direkt um Zuflucht und die Tugendregeln bitten. Bitte bedenken Sie, daß diese Angelegenheit einen gewissen Demut benötigt. Wenn Sie nur beobachten wollen, ist das auch völlig in Ordnung, doch versuchen Sie nicht zu stören. Diese Foren sind weniger normale Diskussionsforen, dafür gibt es genügend andere Bereiche.
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Übersetzung von Bhikkhu Tissa meets a Sceptic
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2017, 05:50:47 PM »

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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Übersetzung von Bhikkhu Tissa meets a Sceptic " eröffnet. Bitte scheuen Sie nicht davor zurück, etwaigen Rat oder Kritik dazu mitzuteilen.  Viel Freude und Inspiration auch im neuen Thema. Anumodana!

One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Übersetzung von Bhikkhu Tissa meets a Sceptic " . Please do not hesitate to claim or give supporting hints.  Much joy and inspiration also in the new Topic. Anumodana!

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Nyom maranadhammomhi , my person came across your Question "how to take formal refuge and precepts" on DW some days ago and just remembered. Mudita! The text Nyom may find here: Formal request . For listening Nyom may use the audios, given in the online-request topic (Text is not translated there for now)
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Johann

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Johann

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Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
... doing so based on gratitude without just trading in giving, or out of duty in a relation one resits, one is able to get not only to the borders, but into Noble ones domain.

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