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Author Topic: Akzeptieren = Anstiften = Selber tun / Accepting = instigate = donig by one self  (Read 2537 times)

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Friends,

There is often the curious idea that only own physical action may have results. Also it is sometimes not so clear what the different between the three kinds of actions are.

I am happy that I came across this four stanzas, which do not require much Abidhamma study to get it in straight forward words form Buddha:


Freunde,

da ist oft die seltsame Idee, daß nur eigene physische Handlungen Resultate tragen. Auch ist es oft nicht so klar, was der Unterschied zwischen den drei verschiedenen Arten von Handlung ist.

Ich freue mich über diese vier Strophen gekommen zu sein, die es vermögen auch ohne viel Abhidhamma-Studium Geradeausworte Buddhas zu transportieren:


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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

(160.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self takes the not given, incites others to take the not given and approves taking the not given. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from taking the not given, abstains from inciting others to take the not given and disapproves taking the not given."

(160.) Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt in der Hölle. Welche drei. Einer nimmt selbst Nichtgegebenes, stiftet andere an Nichtgegebenes zu nehmen und billigt das Nehmen von Nichtgegebenem. Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt im Himmel. Welche drei? Einer selbst steht ab Nichtsgegebenes zu nehmen, einer steht ab andere anzustiften Nichtgegebenes zu nehmen und missbilligt das Nehmen von Nichtgegebenen.

(161.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self misbehaves in sensual desires, incites others to misbehave in sensual desires and approves misbehaviour in sensual desires. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from misbehaving in sensual desires, abstains from inciting others to misbehave in sensual desires and disapproves misbehaviour in sensual desires."

(161.) Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt in der Hölle. Welche drei. Einer verhält sich in Sinnesbegehren fehl, stiftet andere sich in Sinnesbegehren fehlzuverhalten und billigt das Fehlverhalten in Sinnesbegehren. Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt im Himmel. Welche drei? Einer selbst steht sich fehlzuverhalten mit Sinnesbegeheren, einer steht ab andere anzustiften sich in Sinnesbegehren fehlzuverhalten und missbilligt das Fehlverhalten in Sinnesbegehren.

(162.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self tells lies, incites others to tell lies and approves telling lies. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from telling lies, abstains from inciting others to tell lies and disapproves telling lies."

(162.) Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt in der Hölle. Welche drei. Einer selbst erzählt Unwahrheiten, stiftet andere an Unwahrheiten zu erzählen und billigt das Erzählen von Unwahrheiten. Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt im Himmel. Welche drei? Einer selbst steht ab Unwahrheiten zu erzählen, einer steht ab andere anzustiften Unwahrheiten zu erzählen und missbilligt das Erzählen von Unwahrheiten.

(163.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self slanders, incites others to slander and approves slandering. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from slandering, abstains from inciting others to slander and disapproves slandering."

(163.) Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt in der Hölle. Welche drei. Einer selbst verunglimpft andere, stiftet andere an zu verunglimpfen und billigt Verunglimpfungen. Bhikkhus, bestückt mit drei Dingen führt und ist bestimmt im Himmel. Welche drei? Einer selbst steht ab zu verunglimpfen, einer steht ab andere anzustiften zu verunglimpfen und missbilligt Verunglimpfungen.

 :-*

(that is btw. helpful to underline the critic on certain explainings about the 8. precepts )
(dies ist wie auch immer hilfreich um die Kritik an einer bestimmten Erklärung über die acht Tugendregeln etwas zu unterstreichen)
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It is followed by serval other unwholsesome actions:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

164-183. "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self talking roughly, incites others to talk roughly and approves rough talk. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from talking roughly, abstains from inciting others to talk roughly and disapproves rough talk."

(165.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self talks frivolously, incites others to talk frivolously and approves frivolous talk. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from frivolous talk, abstains from inciting others to talk frivolously."

(166.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self coveting, incites others to covet and approves the coveting nature. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from coveting, abstains from inciting others to covet and disapproves the coveting nature."

(167.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self hateful, incites others to hate and approves hateful nature. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self abstains from hatefulness, abstains from inciting others to be hateful and disapproves hateful nature."

(168.) "Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in hell. What three? One self with wrong view, incites others to develop wrong view and approves wrong view. Bhikkhus, endowed with three things, as lead and lain, is in heaven. What three? One self is right in view, incites others to rectify their view and approves right view."

Es folgen dann auch noch einige andere unheilsame Handlungen:

Selbst-tun, anstiften und auch (!) billigen von:

"Grober Sprache, leichtfertigem Gerede (Tratsch), Begehrlich sein, Haßvoll sein, falsche Sichtweise."
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[Sutta] AN 164-183 Kammapathapeyyālaṃ
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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "[Sutta] AN 164-183 Kammapathapeyyālaṃ " eröffnet. Bitte scheuen Sie nicht davor zurück, etwaigen Rat oder Kritik dazu mitzuteilen.  Viel Freude und Inspiration auch im neuen Thema. Anumodana!

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