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Itivuttaka §76
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 10:17:10 AM »

 *sgift*

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "Aspiring to these three forms of bliss, a wise person should guard his virtue. Which three? [Thinking,] 'May praise come to me,' a wise person should guard his virtue. [Thinking,] 'May wealth come to me,' a wise person should guard his virtue. [Thinking,] 'At the break-up of the body, after death, may I reappear in a good destination, in heaven,' a wise person should guard his virtue. Aspiring to these three forms of bliss, a wise person should guard his virtue."

Intelligent,
you should guard your virtue,
aspiring to three forms of bliss:
   praise;
   the obtaining of wealth;
   and, after death, rejoicing
in heaven.

Even if you do no evil
but seek out one who does,
you're suspected of evil.
Your bad reputation
   grows.
   The sort of person you make a friend,
   the sort you seek out,
that's the sort you yourself become —
for your living together is of
   that sort.

The one associated with,
the one who associates,
the one who's touched,
the one who touches another
   — like an arrow smeared with poison —
contaminates the quiver.
So, fearing contamination, the enlightened
should not be comrades
with evil people.

A man who wraps rotting fish
in a blade of kusa grass
makes the grass smelly:
   so it is
   if you seek out fools.
But a man who wraps powdered incense
in the leaf of a tree
makes the leaf fragrant:
   so it is
   if you seek out
   the enlightened.

   So,
knowing your own outcome
as like the leaf-wrapper's,
you shouldn't seek out
those who aren't good.
The wise would associate
with those who are.
Those who aren't good
lead you to hell.
The good help you reach
a good destination.
Quote from: Iti §76

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Dieses wurde vom Befreiten gesagt, vom Arahat gesagt, so habe ich es gehört:: "Nach diesen drei Arten von Segen trachtend, sollte eine weise Person seine Tugend bewachen. Welche drei? [Denkend:] 'Möge Lob über mich kommen', eine weise Person, seine Tugend bewachen sollte. [Denkend:] 'Möge Wohlstand über mich kommen', eine weise Person, seine Tugend bewachen sollte. [Denkend:] 'Mit dem Zerfall des Körpers, nach dem Tod, möge ich an einen guten Bestimmungsort, im Himmel, wiedererscheinen', eine weise Person, seine Tugend bewachen sollte. Nach diesen drei Arten von Segen trachtend, sollte eine weise Person seine Tugend bewachen"

Intelligent,
solltet Ihr Eure Tugend bewachen,
nach drei Formen von Segen trachtend:
   Lob;
   das Erlangen von Wohlstand;
   und, nach dem Tod, Erfreuen
im Himmel.

Selbst wenn Ihr kein Schlechtes tun
aber an einen haltet der tut,
seid ihre des Bösen in Verdacht.
Eurer schlechter Ruf
   wächst.
   Die Art von Personen, Ihr zu Freunden macht,
   die Art an der Ihr halten tut,
das ist die Art zu der Ihr selbst werdet,
den Euer Leben zusammen ist
   von dieser Art.

Jener der damit sich abgibt,
jener, der sich abgibt,
jener, der berührt,
jener, der andere berührt
   — wie ein Pfeil beschmiert mit Gift —
verseucht den Köcher.
So, Verseuchung fürchtend, der erleuchtete
sollte nicht mit schlechten Leuten
Kamerad sein.

Ein Mann der verrotten Fisch hüllt
in den Halm von Kusa-Gras,
macht des Gras stinkend:
   so ist es,
   wenn Ihr an Dummköpfen hält.
Doch ein Mann, pulfrigen Weihrauch einhüllt,
in das Blatt eines Baumes,
das Blatt duftend macht:
   so ist es,
   wenn Ihr haltet,
   an die Erleuteten.

   So,
Eure eigenes Auswirken kennend,
wie die Einhüller in Blätter,
solltet Ihr nicht halten,
an jene, die nicht gut.
Der Weise sich abgeben würde,
mit jenen, die es sind.
Jene die nicht gut
zur Hölle Euch führen.
Die Guten helfen Euch zu erreichen
einen guten Ankunftsort.
Quote from: Iti §76
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Itivattaka §78
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2015, 10:54:58 AM »

 *sgift*

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "It is in accordance with their properties that beings come together & associate with one another. Beings of low dispositions come together & associate with beings of low dispositions. Beings of admirable dispositions come together & associate with beings of admirable dispositions. In the past, it was in accordance with their properties that beings came together & associated with one another... In the future, it will be in accordance with their properties that beings will come together & associate with one another... And now at present, it is in accordance with their properties that beings come together & associate with one another. Beings of low dispositions come together & associate with beings of low dispositions. Beings of admirable dispositions come together & associate with beings of admirable dispositions."

The underbrush born
of association
is cut away
by non-association.
Just as one riding
a small wooden plank
   would sink
in the great sea,
so does even one of right living
   sink,
associating with the lazy.

So avoid the lazy,
those with low persistence.
Live with the noble ones —
secluded, resolute, absorbed in jhana,
their persistence constantly aroused
         : the wise.
Quote from: Iti §78

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Dieses wurde vom Befreiten gesagt, vom Arahat gesagt, so habe ich es gehört:: "Es ist aufgrund deren Beschaffenheit, daß Lebewesen zusammen kommen und mit einander verkehren. Lebewesen von niedriger Veranlagung, kommen zusammen und verkehren mit Lebewesen von niedrieger Veranlagung. Lebewesen von vorzüglicher Veranlagung, kommen zusammen und verkehren miteinander... In der Zukunft, wird es im Einklang mit deren Beschaffenheiten sein, daß Lebewesen zusammen kommen werden und miteinander verkehren... Und nun in der Gegenwart, ist es im Einklang mit deren Beschaffenheiten, daß Lebewesen zusammen kommen und miteinander verkehren. Lebewesen von niedriger Veranlagung, kommen zusammen und verkehren mit Lebewesen von niedriger Veranlagung. Lebewesen von vorzüglicher Veranlagung, kommen zusammen und verkehren mit Lebewesen von vorzüglicher Veranlagung."

Das Unterholz geboren
aus Verkehren
ist weggeschnitten
durch Nichtverkehren.
Wie wenn jemand gleitet
auf einem kleinen Holzbrett
   sinken wurde
in der großen See,
so selbst einer von rechtem Leben
   sinkt,
mit den Faulen verkehrend.

So die Faulen meidend,
jene mit wenig Beharrlichkeit.
Lebt mit den Noblen,
zurückgezogen, entschlossen, vertieft in Jhana,
deren Beharrlichkeit stets aufgekommen:
         Weise.
Quote from: Iti §78
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Antw:Admirable friend - Großartiger Freund (kalyanamittata) [Forum Guide]
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2015, 12:28:46 PM »

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Dies wurde vom Befreiten gesagt, vom Arahat gesagt, so hab ich es gehört: "Jene Bhikkhus, die vollkommen in Tugend sind, vollkommen in Konzentration, vollkommen in Einsicht, vollkommen in Befreiung, vollkommen in Wissen und Vision von Befreiung: die ermahnen, vorzeigen, anweisen, drängen, wachrufen und ermutigen, die kundig genau zum Punkt aus dem wahren Dhamma sind: diese sehend, sage ich Euch, verwirklicht ein großes Geschäft; hört ihnen zu, wartet sie auf, wohn ihnen bei, sich ihnen wiedererinnernd, folgt ihnen im weiter Gehen ein großes Geschäft zu verwirklichen. Warum ist das?

"Mit dem Verkehren mit Bhikkhus dieser Sorte, mit ihnen teilen, sich deren annehmen, die wie-jetzt-ungegipfelte Ansammlung von Tugend, kommt zum Gipfel seiner Entwicklung, die wie-jetzt-ungegipfelte Ansammlung von Konzentration, kommt zum Gipfel seiner Entwicklung, die wie-jetzt-ungegipfelte Ansammlung von Einsicht, kommt zum Gipfel seiner Entwicklung, die wie-jetzt-ungegipfelte Ansammlung von Befreiung, kommt zum Gipfel seiner Entwicklung, die wie-jetzt-ungegipfelte Ansammlung von Wissen und Vision über Befreiung, kommt zum Gipfel seiner Entwicklung. Bhikkhus dieser Sorte, werden Lehrer genannt, Führer, Ableger von Verletzung, Zerstreuer von Dunkelheit, Erzeuger von Licht, Erzeuger von Strahlung, Erzeuger von Helligkeit, Erzeuger von Glanz, Bringer von Erleuchtung, Noble, bestückt mit dem Auge das sieht."

Dieses ist ein Umstand,
Erfeuen erzeugend
für jene die wissen:
das Dhamma lebend,
der Noblen,
   gelassen,
die das wahre Dhamma erhellen,
es beleuchten,   glänzend scheinend,
die   Erzeuger des Lichtes sind,
      erleuchtet,
      Ableger von Verletzung,
die Augen haben
die sehen.
Deren Botschaft gehört
mit rechter Erkenntnis, der Weise
direkt wissend,
das Enden von Geburt,
   zu keinem weitern Werden kommen.
Quote from: Iti §104

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "Those monks who are consummate in virtue, consummate in concentration, consummate in discernment, consummate in release, consummate in the knowledge & vision of release; who exhort, demonstrate, instruct, urge, rouse & encourage; who are competent rightly to point out the true Dhamma: seeing them, I tell you, accomplishes a great deal; listening to them, approaching them, attending to them, recollecting them, following them in going forth accomplishes a great deal. Why is that?

"By associating with monks of this sort, sharing with them, attending on them, the as-yet-unculminated aggregate of virtue goes to the culmination of its development, the as-yet-unculminated aggregate of concentration goes to the culmination of its development, the as-yet-unculminated aggregate of discernment goes to the culmination of its development, the as-yet-unculminated aggregate of release goes to the culmination of its development, the as-yet-unculminated aggregate of knowledge & vision of release goes to the culmination of its development. Monks of this sort are said to be teachers, leaders, abandoners of harm, dispellers of darkness, makers of light, makers of radiance, makers of brightness, makers of brilliance, bringers of illumination, noble ones, endowed with eyes that see."

This is a condition
creating joy
for those who know:
living the Dhamma
of the noble ones,
   composed,
who brighten the true Dhamma,
illumine it,   shining brilliantly,
who are   makers of light,
      enlightened,
      abandoners of harm,
who have eyes
that see.
Having heard their message
with right gnosis, the wise
directly knowing
the ending of birth,
   come to no further becoming.
Quote from: Iti §104
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The Verses on Friends - Die Verse über Freunde
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2016, 05:14:49 PM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

The Verses on Friends  - Die Verse über Freunde

Aññadatthu haro mitto
One who makes friends only to cheat them,
Einer der Freundschaft schließt, nur um sie zu betrügen,

Yo ca mitto vacī-paramo,
one who is good only in word,
einer der nur dem Wort nach Gutes tut,

Anupiyañca yo āhu,
one who flatters & cajoles,
einer der schmiegt und schmeichelt,

Apāyesu ca yo sakhā,
and a companion in ruinous fun:
und ein Gefährte in verderblichem Spaß:

Ete amitte cattāro
Iti viññāya paṇḍito

These four the wise know as non-friends.
Diese vier, der Weise als Nichtfreunde kennt.

Ārakā parivajjeyya [Achtung! Das was "Buddhisten" las Zertrennende Rede meinen]
Avoid them from afar,
Vermeidet sie aus der Ferne,

Maggaṃ paṭibhayaṃ yathā.
like a dangerous road.
wie eine gefährliche Straße.

Upakāro ca yo mitto,
A friend who is helpful,
Ein Freund der hilfreich ist,

Sukha-dukkho ca yo sakhā,
one who shares in your sorrows & joys,
einer der Ihre Sorgen und Freuden teilt,

Atthakkhāyī ca yo mitto,
one who points you to worthwhile things,
einer der Ihnen Erstrebenswertes aufzeigt,

Yo ca mittānukampako,
one sympathetic to friends:
einer einfühlend gegenüber Freunden:

Etepi mitte cattāro
Iti viññāya paṇḍito

These four, the wise know as true friends.
Diese vier, der Weise als wahre Freunde kennt.

Sakkaccaṃ payirupāseyya
Attend to them earnestly,
Umsorgt sie aufrichtig,

Mātā puttaṃ va orasaṃ.
as a mother her child.
wie eine Mutter ihr Kind.
Quote from: Rezitationshilfe
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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

„Lohnenswert ist der Umgang mit einem Freund oder einer Freundin, der/die drei Eigenschaften besitzt. Welche drei Eigenschaften? Sie/er gibt, was schwer zu geben ist, tut, was schwer zu tun ist, erträgt, was schwer zu ertragen ist. Lohnenswert ist der Umgang mit einem Freund oder einer Freundin, der/die diese drei Eigenschaften besitzt.“



"A friend endowed with these three qualities is worth associating with. Which three? He/she gives what is hard to give, does what is hard to do, endures what is hard to endure. A friend endowed with these three qualities is worth associating with."
Quote from: AN3.113 in Studienführer zum Stromeintritt

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Bhikkhus, these three persons are evident in the world. What three? Bhikkhus, there is a person that should not be associated, there is one that should be associated, and there is another that should be honoured and revered and associated.

"Bhikkhus, who is the person that should not be associated? Bhikkhus, a certain person is below par in virtues, concentration and wisdom. Such should not be associated unless out of sympathy and compassion.

"Bhikkhus, who is the person that should be associated? Bhikkhus, a certain person is par in virtues, concentration and wisdom. Such should be associated. What is the reason? Those par in virtues converse on virtues, those par in concentration converse on concentration and those par in wisdom converse on wisdom. For them it becomes a pleasant abiding, therefore they should be associated.

"Bhikkhus, who is the person that should be honoured, revered and associated? Bhikkhus, a certain person is much above in virtues, concentration and wisdom. Such should be honoured, revered and associated. What is the reason? 'I will complete virtues not yet completed, and will wisely assist my completed virtues. I will complete my concentration not yet completed and I will wisely assist my completed concentration. I will complete my wisdom not yet completed and I will wisely assist my completed wisdom. Therefore, bhikkhus, such persons should be honoured, revered and associated. Bhikkhus, these three persons are evident in the world."

"Associating with someone low
is deterioration,
Associating an equal
there's no deterioration
Therefore bend down to a superior,
It is quick growth."
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Johann

October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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