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Werte Gemeinschaft,
Werte Besucher,
Werte Tipitakafreunde,

Attma kann sich erinnern, dass zur Zeit, als er neu zum Tipitaka war, die größte Hürde das Durchschauen der Bücher, Codes und Struktur der jeweiligen Fassungen und Übersetzungen war.
Einigermaßen mit Kenntnis einiger Bezugspunkte selbst im Bereich der Lateinschrift gemeistert, muß Attma feststellen, das es heute so gut wie keine generelle Strukturierung und Vergleichstabelle gibt. Hauptanlaß hier sind die 110 Bücher der Gesamtübersetzung des Tipitaka in eine Lebende Sprache, Khmer, welche... [unterbreche hier kurz], soweit mein Eindruck, aus einer der ältesten und zusammenhängensten Überlieferung der Palitexte entstanden ist. Der erste Einbruch, soweit Attma dies bekannt ist, hat seit der Ankunft der Lehren Buddhas in Südostasien, im Großraum des Khmerreiches, durch Gesandte von König Asokha, passierte mit dem Holocaust unter den Khmer-Rouge Anfang der Siebziger.
Die Übersetzung des gesamten Korbes begann 1930 durch die Tripitaka Commision of the Buddhist Institute Phnom Penh an welchem zahlreiche hohe Gelehrte, unter der Führung von Sangharaja Preah Chou Nat in gemeinsamer Arbeit der klösterlichen Sanghamitglieder in einem Zeitraum von 39 Jahren alle drei Körbe in die Landessprache übersetzten. Mit unterstützung des Tripitaka Publishing Support Committe, einer Gruppe von Gelehrten und Mönchen aus Japan, entstand aus der vor dem Krieg entstandenen Übersetzung, die 1968 fertig gestellt wurde, die erste gebündelte Zusammenfassung in Buchform (1994).

Da unter den normalen Personen, eine bezeichnung wie "unser Buddhismus" sehr üblich ist und vergleichen mit anderen Aufzeichnungen und Übersetzungen hier schwer zugänglich sind, würde eine Indexierung der Khmerübersetzung und Überlieferung nicht nur Menschen ausserhalb von Kambodscha einen weiteren Zugang ermöglischen, sondern der Vergleich mit anderen Übersetzungen für Kambodschaner leichter werden. Wenn heute Leute in Kambodscha einen Bezug zu einem Text herstellen, dann nennen sie die Buchnummer und Seite sowie den Namen des Suttas, welches jedoch oft schwer im internationaleren Standard nachvollziehbar ist.

So ist es sehr schwierig einfache Bezüge zu finden oder sogar auf Anhieb ein gewisses Sutta zu finden. Aus diesem Grund wurde  Attma gerne beginnen einen Index mit Bezug auf diverse westliche Übersetzungen und Fassungen zu erstellen.

Um einen Grundstamm zu verwenden, der so viel wie möglich andere Bezüge bereits verwendet, sodass es leicht ein und umgearbeitet werden kann, hat sich Attma erlaubt bei den Machern von suttacentral bezüglich des Interesses an Zusammenarbeit und auch einem vielleicht verfügbaren Index anzufragen.

Vollkommen am Beginn dieser vielleicht für den einen oder anderen interessante und wertschätzbarer Unternehmung, lade ich Sie herzlich dazu ein, Gedanken, Vorschläge aber auch Wissen, Daten und Kritik einzubringen.

Hier auch noch kurz der Versuch der Kontaktaufnahme mit den Machern von Suttacentral:

Quote from: via email to suttacentral 9.9.2014
Ven. Bhante Sujato,
Valued team of sutta central,

Since a while I am thinking about the possibility to make the Cambodian Tipitaka translation, which is one of the earliest and complete translation, more accessible in a modern mode.
Since suttacentral is the most current try to bring different structures of the suttas on one level it is a natural matter to ask you first, if there is a will, possibility and space to investigate this matter further.
The Khmer Tipitaka was translated at the beginning of the last century as a Sanghaundertaking, leaded by Ven. Cho Nath and supported technical an financial by Mahayana Buddhists from Japan.
Today there is a pdf (pictures) edition avaliable on 5000-years.org, with is a project of a lay person. In regard of requesting if this project was or is in agreement with the sangha officially, I could not get a clear and satisfactory answer. So I doubt a little that it is further usable. How ever, for a beginning it would be even great to organize a list with references to other translations on one standard.
So aside of giving you the possibility to think bout the issue of adopting this translation, which was finalised before he holocaust and the fist blackout of theravada in the maybe longest lasting lineage without a break and renewing from outside, I would like to ask if you would be willing and able to share an index of suttas in maybe an excel format, so I could start to develop the connecting links to the existing 110 books.

Being optimistic, that such is fare away of any maybe personal back interest and views I am looking forward to read you thought, hints and maybe visions in this regard.
Please don't hesitate to ask and request what ever is needed to develop and maintain the needed faith which is nesesary for acts and maybe closer cowork.

Once again Attma would like to refresh the invitation to make use of all shares and environments given within zugangzureinsicht.org and sangham.net by voluntary laypeople, finally dedicated to the sangha.

Metta & Mudiat


Samanera Johann


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« Last Edit: September 10, 2014, 08:35:19 PM by Johann »
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Re: Index Tipitaka, Einarbeitung Khmer Tipitaka - Intern. index incl. khmer
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2014, 06:47:19 PM »
Quote from: Johann via email
Ven. Bhante Sujato,

Mudita, if that could help you further. Please be how ever aware, that this seems to be cetana kamma of a lay person and it dont seems to be a product of sangha kamma!

Since it seems that you already did some prework and we mostly have different general intentions and aims, I guess its better to leave it as it is. You will not have any problem at all in Cambodia to get what you want if you offer money and I am sure that it will be  quick job.

Thank you also for your share on github. Samanera fears, that he is not realy able to make use of things which have left certain areas.

Please excuse that I am maybe to direct and critical, may you be able to take them as support and may your projects and undertakings lead you and many into the right direction.

How ever, please feel always invited as told.

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann


Sujato Bhikkhu <suj...> wrote:


Quote from: Ven. Bhante Sujato via email
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rod Bucknell <rodbu...>
Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:32 AM
Subject: Fw: Khmer tipitaka
To: Bhante Sujato <suj...>

Dear Johann,

Thanks for the communication. As far as the Khmer Tripitaka goes, I was aware of this translation, but not that it was available online, so thank you.

As it happens, I know some good people at the Buddhist Library in Sydney, who organize charitable works in Cambodia. We have already discussed the possibility of organizing a team, which we would sponsor, for typing the canonical works in for use on Suttacentral. Having them available online makes this much easier.

Regarding sutta indexes, I'm not sure that any of our data would be of use for you. We keep our data in CSV files, not spreadsheets, so there is not single place where we can have an index of the suttas. Probably you will be best to simply use the site itself. However, if you want to explore the files, you can see all our data on github: https://github.com/suttacentral

with respects

Bhante Sujato


Quote from: Mr. Bucknell fw to Ven. Bhante
Dear Bhante,

Since this is addressed to you, I forward it to you.

Have a good day,
Rod.   


Quote from: Johann, original request and invitation via email
On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 2:47 PM, Johann
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Re: Index Tipitaka, Einarbeitung Khmer Tipitaka - Intern. index incl. khmer
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 11:19:01 AM »
Quote from: Johann today via email
He does, Ven. Bhante, Upasika does, of course he is not a native speaker and Ven. Bhante needs to be aware of cultural different. Please be patient and dont miss to walk the usual way. From the top, down. So it is very important to get the acceptance of the sangha and the responsible leading people. Everything else, even through it has grown more and more usual in this days, is hardly against Dhamma and disrespect which would give following people, not so wise people a wrong view and lead them into the wrong direction. Approach an old and wise culture with respect and stay open and willing to learn from it.

Our main aim is to act correct, if done correct and freely and leads to even a useful product, it is more than we wanted. If we simply take our idea as the aim and put right conduct into the second line, lower than virtue, we might gain our desired aim and product, but it will neither liberate our selves nor will it be usable for others as a path element.

Ven. Bhante, Samanera will inform Upasaka Channa, so that he could approach you if he feels inspired to do so.

 

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann

Quote from: Sujato Bhikkhu <suj...> wrote

Thank you so much, that is very helpful indeed!

May I ask, does he speak English?

Quote from: On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Johann <johan...> wrote:
Ven. Bhante Sujato,

attached you will find the contact data of the more then usual generous person who provide the Khmer Tipitaka online. Since I had a short talk via email with him, please let me know if you prefer to get in touch via personal introduction. As far as I could mention and by the fact that he works a lot on internet (his page is under the top 10 pages of Cambodia). I am sure that he would be more than happy to play a coworker and supportive part.

Best wishes and much viriya for all your skillful undertakings.

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann


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Quote from: Johann via email to Mr. Channa, today
Valued Upasaka Channa Srong,

attached is a short conversation with Ven. Bhante Sujato, an Australian scholar Bhikkhu and worldwide known teacher. Ven. Bhante leads/supports a big data base project to make all available translations of the Suttas found in different languages and traditions collective available for study purposes.

Attma guesses, that his intention is maybe similar to your intention, although Attma urges you to stay always on the correct way, even desire and views may be strong and overwhelming.

Please feel invited to get in contact directly and maybe start a fruitful joint adventure.  Please see my person just as a short visitor who is maybe able to bring people and equal ways together.

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann
Quote from: conversation Bhante and Samanera
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: "Owner" of the online khmer edition
From: Johann <johan...>
To: Sujato Bhikkhu <suj...>
CC:

.............. Johann  to Bhante Sujato:

He does, Ven. Bhante, Upasika does, of course he is not a native speaker and Ven. Bhante needs to be aware of cultural different. Please be patient and dont miss to walk the usual way. From the top, down. So it is very important to get the acceptance of the sangha and the responsible leading people. Everything else, even through it has grown more and more usual in this days, is hardly against Dhamma and disrespect which would give following people, not so wise people a wrong view and lead them into the wrong direction. Approach an old and wise culture with respect and stay open and willing to learn from it.

Our main aim is to act correct, if done correct and freely and leads to even a useful product, it is more than we wanted. If we simply take our idea as the aim and put right conduct into the second line, lower than virtue, we might gain our desired aim and product, but it will neither liberate our selves nor will it be usable for others as a path element.

Ven. Bhante, Samanera will inform Upasaka Channa, so that he could approach you if he feels inspired to do so.

 

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann

.................

Sujato Bhikkhu <suj...> wrote:

Thank you so much, that is very helpful indeed!

May I ask, does he speak English?

..............

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Johann <joha...> wrote:
Ven. Bhante Sujato,

attached you will find the contact data of the more then usual generous person who provide the Khmer Tipitaka online. Since I had a short talk via email with him, please let me know if you prefer to get in touch via personal introduction. As far as I could mention and by the fact that he works a lot on internet (his page is under the top 10 pages of Cambodia). I am sure that he would be more than happy to play a coworker and supportive part.

Best wishes and much viriya for all your skillful undertakings.

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann



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Re: Index Tipitaka, Einarbeitung Khmer Tipitaka - Intern. index incl. khmer
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 04:52:43 PM »
Quote from: Johann, just via email to Ven. Bhante Sujato and Upasaka Mr. Channa
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!

And much mudita (sympatic joy) with you generous deeds, Upasaka Channa. Realy nothing to worry. You just came in contact with one of the world famost Monk in the modern world, Bhikkhu Sujato, who has much interest like Upasaka and friends, supporter and funds to make you previous deeds even more accessable.

As for Upasaka, Ven. Bhante, he is the most famous dhamma contributor in Cambodia, an IT and communication spezialist and for sure able to bring you also in contact with the responsible Venerables in Cambodia so that you undertakings get more and more value in regard of Dhamma.

Plesse feel free and unbound by my person and work you things out together. There is no further need to involve Samaneras person. I trust that you both make the best possible out of it.

May you always be able to remember you skillful deeds and so enjoy the fruits of them here and in the next world.

Anumodana!

Metta & Mudiat

Samanera Johann

Quote from: Srong Channa <ch...> wrote to Ven. Sujato, Johann

My Dearest Ven.

I thank you very much for you email.

As you searched my website, and you may understand my aim on website as much already, I am a simple person who love and respectful to Buddha and Buddhism. Besides my working hours I spend my time on this web in the aim to broadcast Buddha Dhamma to Khmer around the world.. all are free (Dhamma Give) to everyone.

I may not understand you well, maybe in different culture and my language poor. But I avoid my self of any wrong, I always ask good people in Dhamma path about how to do something in Dhamma give. I never thought to get things back for my personal but for making Buddha Dhamma alive more and more.. I do for Buddha and Buddhism.

Please you give me in a short points of your request, I am willing to assist as I would.

Once again, Thank you very much for advise and contacting to me.

Best Regards,

Channa

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Quote from: Johann, ,On ថ្ងៃទី12 ខែកញ្ញា ឆ្នាំ2014, at 10:57 ព្រឹក, Johann <joha...> wrote:

Valued Upasaka Channa Srong,

attached is a short conversatio....
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Re: Index Tipitaka, Einarbeitung Khmer Tipitaka - Intern. index incl. khmer
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Quote from: Johann today to Bhante Sujato via email
Ven. Bhante,

Samana does not like to miss to inform you about some possible anchors or anchors one better does not bite on.
The Buddhist Institute, as fare as Samana has seen and has been informed, can be taken as merely worldly undertaking, carring for livelihood for those who are involved an do not have much hiri to sell dhamma. You also will find shops infront and of the intitute. Since the Japanese withdraw from the undertaking, there is no more who really cares. So all ways open for dealer and trader and most successful objectives for people with foundings.

Samana has come also around a group http://ti-kh.org/ , which seems to work eager on transcriptions. How ever, it also seems that this group is involved in political issues in regard of Kampuchea Krom (Vietnamese territory today which has such as a chaotic douple and tripple agent landmine field around all actions whithin this area and involved people) Actually also merely a place one should avoid when sticking with dhamma rather then making a livelihood with dhamma.

There is also a group around Buth Sovung, the foremost teacher in Cambodia, which is providing Tipitaka. You may find them via www.dhamma4khmer2.org .
Here also like other privat undertakings, they openly garant that you may do all dhamma dana you like to do with it, but being asked three times, who and if such is given to them or if it is in agrement with the sangha, the author, the "owner", they remain silent.

Metta & Mudita

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Quote from: Bhante Sujato, today via email
Sujato Bhikkhu <suja...> wrote:

Thank you, Johann, this is very interesting and useful information.

Speaking of Khmer Krom, you may have heard of the tragedy that befall a monk and a layman at a Khmer temple in Sydney recently. We are trying to reach out to the community but we don't know anything beyond what was in the news.

with metta

Bhante Sujato

Quote from: Johann, via email, just this minutes
Ven. Bhante,

Samana read about it and it seems that people in this tradition do no more have much faith in words like "stay away from wordly matters, you task is practicing", which was actually the underlying message. It has a reason why the Sangha and its members should stay away from politic and wordly afairs. Even it is not based on wisdom yet, Samana urges for you own longlasting happiness and for the welfare of others to increase you saddha and make a simply "not my task" out of it. It really seems that most have no idea of the drive of this world.
May Bhante for his own welfare and that of others, simply stay with the Vinaya, and never fall into the delusion that there are higher reasons which justify certain rationalisations and its following acts.

Simply stay away from people, institutions, what ever, which make a livelihood on dhamma. And increase your own freedom by moving out, let the world be a matter of those who took up the task, they have their own rules and maybe later a chance to follow you steps, or let me say the steps of all great disiples, if yours and those of them will be simply the same.

How many heavenly messanger, how many approves of Buddhas teaching you like to meet further? How big does the mountain of bones grow?
One is not able to help others out if they do not like, do not see a reason, have neither saddha nor pañña developed in the past and are unable to put yoniso manasikha upright even all messengers are actually present, feeling still secure, not seeing that past merits are wasted with every step.

STAY AWAY, is not you task. Bhante has every freedom and respect, from even kings and those involved, has every protection of the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha, as long as he sticks by the Vinaya and does not get involved, does not take side, has right view and knows that the way to nibbana and the ways of world are two different ways.

Samana is not a little interested about this or other cases, and Samana does not invite to walk his way, but Samana will not miss to give everybody, especialy those who should actually have already enough convidence, what ever is needed to develope more faith in the fundamental steps of the path, the rest will come by naturally if right done.
Still there are wise people acting wise in their position, even unbeloved, criticised, fight by people who have been fallen into the delusion of "rights". They are soon gone and those who had acted in their delusion will not be able to handle what they thought that it has value to be desired.

This place will be soon so "free and under common creativity" that they will run crazy having breathed so much O2.

Respect those who are first, who are leaders, who have actually the task and keep out.

We are simply here to practice the Dhamma, nothing else, and stepping asode of this path, endanhers not only or own path but the path for many, even the path for those who are walking or willing to walk a rightous way.

May Bhante find the way to develope trust into those people in charge of others tasks as his. Here is a good place to put kataññu, kanti and metta into it and make simply the best of what is given to walk on, even alone.

Metta & Mudita

Samanera Johann

Quote from: Johann in addition to Bhant Sujato
Samana needs to tell in addition:

Samana did not know that it was actually a khmer temple, just could put 1 and 1 together, as he wrote [read] the op of a topic on DW some days ago (http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=22130#p315821) and wrote [read] your message.

See, Khmer people still respect their father and mother, that what is given, their leader and teacher, still have the basic right view and the possibility to walk the path. Of course not all is perfect and the wishes of the children grow and grow, but there is no reason to give up the fundation.
Now the west even leaded by people who say that they speak dhamma, yes even monks, destroy with their stupid ideas of pseudo liberality, there "coolness", there violation of worldly orders, their unrightouse claims for rightouseness, the fundation that secures the function of a sociaty, they determine all possibilities, drunken with words of liberation aside of Buddhas path.
If you like to help a community, which still knows that they depend on each other, you need to stick with the right way and this is in no way to undermine the existing ways playing a "hero" battle on the back of people who are not free, will never be, if they step aside of the old path, step aside even of wordly rules.
If you can help those who are actually in charge, if you have actually really something to give, willing to give, not ideas of how it should be, no desire of how it should work, let such a gift be one of those who are in charge. Don't play a game that you can no more understand, since most parts of the world have already sacrified their integrity for delusional shortlasting worldy aims, do no more put effort in their tasks, where ever they are.

Dhamma does not support modern ways and ideas of "rights" and "claims". Where ever is a cause there will be its effect. Taken, you will gain to be taken, given, you will gain to be gifted.
That is you and everybodies own choice and no way to claim otherwise afterwards.
Giving the gift of virtue is an unexceled gift and much more than enough.

Bhante may say that Samana speaks but does not do so either. Samana likes to remember Bhante on the gratitude of children and how tjey could pay something back and also the duty of an disciple in regard of his teacher endangered to miss the way.

See it as such. Bhante has a great position, out of his previois deeds. May Bhante do not waste it and may Bhante not mistake his current task as a similar of those who have taken on the burden as a king or wordly leader again.

Being a sample for the path is actually enought, even it is not graspable for many, not world turning, not accessable for the mass. One way is the way in the world, one is that to go beyound. Mixing both, one destructs both.

Its really better to learn form those people who one might think he needs to help, rather to pull them into the same trap one is actually caught. Its not the pain of others one suffers, that is something one needs to think about, again and again, not to speak of willingness to really give, really sharing peace by letting go.

Metta & Mudita

Samanera Johann
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Hello :) I'm trying to translate the names of the parts of the Tipitaka in to Khmer but I can't be sure if I'm doing it well. I've looking on Internet and I think I have found the correct words, but I don't know. If you can speak Khmer, would you like please taking a look and tell me if it's ok? Thank you very, very much.

... ^-^

* Johann has to add at the end of the day...:
accidently...(just saw a pic on the "like" it of the doationsuggestion, maybe the payed programmen... all just speculations ... on Suttacentral:
http://en.gravatar.com/dominic724

(Maybe one could reach him there)

same, same ?

Well, if anyhow, somebody likes to help him out. Attma has no possibility. The khmer is simply pali in khmer - script and he could copy it from "CSCD" when ask for permission, or avoid to make them sellable and he could even come here.

(one can just hope that he does not know to be a hired thief... so that the dirt might not tought the "king". Well that does not secure the "king", opposite. May all beings be well... what a wish)


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Vielleicht eine Hilfe für jene, die daran arbeiten oder arbeiten wollen. Das Teststück geht gut, aus dem Verfügbaren Material etwas zu machen, nicht ganz so:

http://www.khmerocr.org/

Anlage: Vom "Original", "best" modifizierte Seite als jpg laut Beschreibung, wer testen will.


Who ever likes to work and test
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