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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2014, 09:08:17 AM »
So it is usuall in your ways, to enter another ones house, belittle them, insult them and act like an autorithy? Well, not that such could touch one, if a little mindful, but Attma wonders if such could move only a single person to try you onion avoiding and text singing practice.

Mr/Mrs Uec0, is the one who claims here something, did not intoduces her/hiself, hiddes his/her face, is covered by a pseudunym, acting like an authority in someone elses house******skip****** chance.


You can avoid the creator, but you cannot say He doesn't exist. Whether or not you accept the creator's authority is your business; but you cannot say there is no creator.

For example :- there are so many outlaws who say, "We don't want to obey the government." If you don't like the government, that is your business. But there is a government -- you can't deny that.

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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2014, 09:28:20 AM »

And if we don't do as you tell us, you are going to do what?

Kick us in the face and piss on it?

so you mean that im still wrong after explaining this practical explanation ? and you are right without any explanation ? and i have to believe such an street dog like you ? just see the folly.

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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2014, 09:38:04 AM »
Holly molly... and people think Muslimes are the only one..and Ghandi has been a peacemaker without hate...

Well there are planty of suttas where Buddha discussed with or about such Brahmans ("holy people"). Actually Attma likes it if things can be seen as present not only stories of the past. There is no hatred where no love (greed) is at the first place and nobody kills more then those "peacemaker" who praise love.

So how can we help, how could one help like Mr/Mrs. Uec0 to get out of Samsara or to lead in a direction that points out of it, without falling into the same pattern and turn in the wheel of heaven and hell like he/she? Not to fall back or into the same ways is actually the key.  ^-^ Taking on this key, is there a chance, or just let him/her turn around in those realms as he/she wishes?

Thanks for sharing so much details and info Mrs. Turtle as people interested in details would really benefit. Sadhu!

Holly molly... und Leute meinen, das Muslime die einzigen sind... und Ghandi ein hassfreier Friedensstifter war...

Nun, da sind reihenweise Suttas, in denen Buddha mit oder über solche Brahmanen ("Heilige Leute") diskutiert. Eigentlich mag es Attma sehr, dass Dinge in die Gegenwart kommen und nicht nur Geschichten aus der Vergangenheit bleiben. Da ist kein Hass, wo nicht Liebe (Gier) an erster Stelle ist und keiner tötet mehr, as diese "Friedensstifter", die Liebe lehren.

Nun wie können wir, könnten wir jemanden wie Herrn/Frau Uec0 helfen aus Samsara zu kommen oder ihm/ihr eine Richtung zeigen, die hinausgerichtet ist, ohne -und das ist der Schlüßel zum Ganzen  ^-^ - in die selben Muster wie er/sie zu fallen und zwischen Himmel und Hölle wie er/sie herumzudrehen? Den Schlüssel hochgehalten, ist da eine Möglichkeit, oder mag man ihm/sie einfach in diesen Welten herumziehen lassen wie er/sie will?

Danke für das teilen von so vielen Erklärungen und Details, Frau Turtle, denn Leute, die sich da näher interessieren, werden viel Nutzen darin finden. Sadhu!
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2014, 09:47:06 AM »

And if we don't do as you tell us, you are going to do what?

Kick us in the face and piss on it?

so you mean that im still wrong after explaining this practical explanation ? and you are right without any explanation ? and i have to believe such an street dog like you ? just see the folly.

Well, aren't you nice!

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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2014, 09:52:55 AM »
So it is usuall in your ways, to enter another ones house, belittle them, insult them and act like an autorithy? Well, not that such could touch one, if a little mindful, but Attma wonders if such could move only a single person to try you onion avoiding and text singing practice.

Mr/Mrs Uec0, is the one who claims here something, did not intoduces her/hiself, hiddes his/her face, is covered by a pseudunym, acting like an authority in someone elses house******skip****** chance.


You can avoid the creator, but you cannot say He doesn't exist. Whether or not you accept the creator's authority is your business; but you cannot say there is no creator.

For example :- there are so many outlaws who say, "We don't want to obey the government." If you don't like the government, that is your business. But there is a government -- you can't deny that.

Than relax, its all not caused by you and you have plenty of excusses if you can not relax and be at peace. As the soldier, going to war out of his attchments, his greed, hated and delusion, justyfies his acts with his Government, the fool justfies his incapacities by something external that rules him. How could a being bound on the roots of suffering ever be free? Nurishing of the food of the master, dependend on his mercy, he will be asways his slave, kills and will be killed.

But somebody freed from the fetters does not even feel a need, is no more forced by his delusion to fight even his hardest enemies. What should touch him, his desire made an end.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 10:03:08 AM »

Than relax, *****skip****** end.

is this dry talking is your rational explanation ? and i have to believe it ? just see the fun of your fools paradise.

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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2014, 10:25:07 AM »
Holly molly... and people think Muslimes are the only one..and Ghandi has been a peacemaker without hate...

Well there are planty of suttas where Buddha discussed with or about such Brahmans ("holy people"). Actually Attma likes it if things can be seen as present not only stories of the past.

Do you see now?
Most religions are like what this man does, except that many usually try to be a bit more subtle than he is. But the militantism and exclusivism are there.


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There is no hatred where no love (greed) is at the first place and nobody kills more then those "peacemaker" who praise love.

The Hare Krishnas don't praise love - at least they don't praise love for other people, animals, and plants. They only praise love for the Lord. And in the name of that love for the Lord, they feel justified to kill, rape, and pillage - even literally so, not just psychologically.


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So how can we help, how could one help like Mr/Mrs. Uec0 to get out of Samsara

It needs to be understood that he probably doesn't want to get out of what is in Buddhism called "samsara." Liberation from suffering or liberation from samsara is something that Hare Krishnas look down on. From their perspective, the highest a human can desire for is to always be engaged in the loving service of the Lord, and if this means forever being reborn in hell, then so be it, as long as one gets to preach Hare Krishna.


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or to lead in a direction that points out of it, without falling into the same pattern and turn in the wheel of heaven and hell like he/she? Not to fall back or into the same ways is actually the key.  ^-^ Taking on this key, is there a chance, or just let him/her turn around in those realms as he/she wishes?

Are you enlightened? Or do you just have faith that the historical Buddha was enlightened?

I think that when unilaterally deciding to try to help another person out of samsara, one first needs to be enlightened oneself. Otherwise, it's the blind leading the blind, both eventually falling into the ditch.

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2014, 10:27:43 AM »
Than relax, its all not caused by you and you have plenty of excusses if you can not relax and be at peace. As the soldier, going to war out of his attchments, his greed, hated and delusion, justyfies his acts with his Government, the fool justfies his incapacities by something external that rules him. How could a being bound on the roots of suffering ever be free? Nurishing of the food of the master, dependend on his mercy, he will be asways his slave, kills and will be killed.

But somebody freed from the fetters does not even feel a need, is no more forced by his delusion to fight even his hardest enemies. What should touch him, his desire made an end.

Here it would really help to read the Bhagavad-Gita, as the plot of the story is about a soldier who was reluctant to go to war, and then God appears to him and convinces him to give up his petty humanist concerns, and go and fight and kill people.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2014, 11:31:07 AM »
Holly molly... and people think Muslimes are the only one..and Ghandi has been a peacemaker without hate...

Well there are planty of suttas where Buddha discussed with or about such Brahmans ("holy people"). Actually Attma likes it if things can be seen as present not only stories of the past.

Do you see now?
Most religions are like what this man does, except that many usually try to be a bit more subtle than he is. But the militantism and exclusivism are there.
Nothing new, so why still participate?


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There is no hatred where no love (greed) is at the first place and nobody kills more then those "peacemaker" who praise love.

The Hare Krishnas don't praise love - at least they don't praise love for other people, animals, and plants. They only praise love for the Lord. And in the name of that love for the Lord, they feel justified to kill, rape, and pillage - even literally so, not just psychologically.
As non practicing "Buddhist" do. Not to speak about other "religious" people. They love and so they kill.


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So how can we help, how could one help like Mr/Mrs. Uec0 to get out of Samsara

It needs to be understood that he probably doesn't want to get out of what is in Buddhism called "samsara." Liberation from suffering or liberation from samsara is something that Hare Krishnas look down on. From their perspective, the highest a human can desire for is to always be engaged in the loving service of the Lord, and if this means forever being reborn in hell, then so be it, as long as one gets to preach Hare Krishna.
Well everybody seeks for justifications to be or be not. One can not help if the sick does not see his sickness as the medicin can not be injected but comes from with in. So just by willing to become a doctor (for one self and others) one could start to learn the skill.


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or to lead in a direction that points out of it, without falling into the same pattern and turn in the wheel of heaven and hell like he/she? Not to fall back or into the same ways is actually the key.  ^-^ Taking on this key, is there a chance, or just let him/her turn around in those realms as he/she wishes?

Are you enlightened? Or do you just have faith that the historical Buddha was enlightened?
Attma does not believe, Attma knows (sees) and the first question is not at all importand because:

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I think that when unilaterally deciding to try to help another person out of samsara, one first needs to be enlightened oneself. Otherwise, it's the blind leading the blind, both eventually falling into the ditch.
...this is not right, remember the Voice and you could even gain wisdom if you pay Uec0s ways with yoniso manasikha.

If you know the maras of defilement (kilesa mara ), than:

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....   So when we've heard this we should consider what we've heard and take it to heart, bringing it inside to see the ways things actually are inside us and then practicing accordingly, in line with the way of right practice. That's when we can be at our ease. Evil people will help us. Good people will help us. We'll be free of danger. Thieves will be our servants, helping us in our various tasks. Wise people will help us in our work — so how can we fail? If we look to bad people, they come and help us. If we look to good people, they come and help us. If we focus on the Maras who are our enemies, they turn into our friends and companions. When we reach this point, we won't know what's a Mara — because nothing's a Mara in any way at all. Everything's neutral, the common property of the world. Whoever can see things in this way has no more suffering, no more obstacles. Everything is bright, beaming, and easy. If you go forward, you don't get stuck. If you go back you don't get entangled. You can go as smoothly as a boat over water. That's why this sort of person is said to be sugato: someone who goes well, who's well-gone.

So all of us who are developing our perfections should practice in this way.

And now that I've explained the demons of defilement, I'll end right here.


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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2014, 11:55:48 AM »

Most religions are like what this man does, except that many usually try to be a bit more subtle than he is. But the militantism and exclusivism are there.
Nothing new, so why still participate?

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alright simply tell me which religion is giving me any type of explanation which is not based on holy book quotes, personal experience, faith or belief.

go ahead and simply tell me what kind of explanation any type of religion is giving me right now ? explain it now.

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2014, 11:57:22 AM »

Most religions are like what this man does, except that many usually try to be a bit more subtle than he is. But the militantism and exclusivism are there.
Nothing new, so why still participate?


alright simply tell me which religion is giving me any type of explanation which is not based on holy book quotes, personal experience, faith or belief.

go ahead and simply tell me what kind of explanation any type of religion is giving me right now ? explain it now.

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2014, 12:07:17 PM »

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Most religions are like what this man does, except that many usually try to be a bit more subtle than he is. But the militantism and exclusivism are there.
Nothing new, so why still participate?


alright simply tell me which religion is giving me any type of explanation which is not based on holy book quotes, personal experience, faith or belief.

go ahead and simply tell me what kind of explanation any type of religion is giving me right now ? explain it now.
That is not a proper question. One could ask "what is its purpose" and if it is for the sake of anything, religion, leader, people... or what ever, it can not lead you out of the struggles in this spheres. So for people who like to wander on and seek a justification for it, everything in the wordl can serve them.

Truth needs to be seen by one self, so why brother around with bottle seller and dont seek for someone who shows you the well?

Proof you self: of what value is this, when I am still full of anger, struggeling, not a little at ease? If one loves struggeling, go ahead. How did you say: it is and will always be a fools paradies. Samsara would not be there without food an eater.
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2014, 12:09:55 PM »
"What do you think, Uec0? When greed arises in a person, does it arise for welfare or for harm?"
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2014, 12:17:53 PM »

That *******skip******** eater.

simply come to the point and tell me where is your explanation ? and if you will go on dryly talking without any explanation then i kick on your face so my dear sir you are being kicked now.

so simply tell me what kind of action you are taking now ? ( what kind of verifaible and tangible explanation you are giving me right now ? which you have seen in so many religion as you have said more then 100 times. )

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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2014, 12:35:56 PM »
"Now, what do you think, Uec0? When aversion arises in a person, does it arise for welfare or for harm?"
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October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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