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2019 Jan 19 01:28:38
Johann: "A monk with admirable people    as friends — who's reverential, respectful, doing what his friends advise — mindful, alert, attains step by step    the ending of all fetters." iti 17

2019 Jan 18 16:31:13
Johann: ភនតេ មុនី ការភ្ជាប់សំឡេងភ្ជាប់

2019 Jan 18 13:45:40
Johann: Guess all is now proper sorted in the correspondig topic. If something got "lost", put wrongely, may one let it be known.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:49
Johann: Reading, translating the many forzmguides.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:01
Johann: Mudita. Yet much new, much to learn, much to explore: patient is importand, and observing ways of doing things.

2019 Jan 18 07:29:08
Cheav Villa: But not yet finished, .. touched enter  ^-^ and..

2019 Jan 18 07:25:06
Cheav Villa: Bhante Muni actually said.. really enjoyed of dwelling here  _/\_

2019 Jan 18 06:42:04
Johann: much uddhacca-kukkucca, or?

2019 Jan 18 06:10:12
Johann: Bhante Muni wrote: "I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, am greating ñati ñoma (former blood relatives) to the extend of respecting goodwill (metta), I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, really..."

2019 Jan 18 06:01:10
Johann: One easy becomes a browser (neak quial hungry)

2019 Jan 18 05:56:43
Cheav Villa:  :D :D :D _/\_

2019 Jan 18 05:55:26
Johann: Atma is now very busy in cutting, moving, mergle... maybe slowly and with mindfulness: where am I? Whats the topic?...  :)

2019 Jan 18 04:38:03
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុ Bhante Muny 

2019 Jan 18 04:20:34
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 04:19:09
Muni: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាព សូមនមស្សការនិងចម្រើនពរញាតិញោម ដោយសេចក្ដីគោរពរាប់អាន ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាពពិត

2019 Jan 18 03:39:39
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណ​ព្រះអង្គ​ បាននិមន្តចូលរួមវិភាគទាន នៅទីនេះ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 03:39:00
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ​មុនី :D _/\_

2019 Jan 17 16:22:47
Johann: Bhante Muni  _/\_

2019 Jan 17 12:59:11
Johann: So it's enought or would some broken Khmer Audio be of support, Nyom?

2019 Jan 17 09:20:36
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គBhante . ករុណាបានអាមអត្ថបទដែលព្រះអង្គបានផុសជាភាសាអង់គ្លេសនោះ បានយល់ខ្លះៗហេីយ :D :D

2019 Jan 17 06:45:05
Johann: Being become, appeare always where desired Why beings take birth, even in most worse existences and circumstances?

2019 Jan 17 06:41:35
Johann: One becomes and dwells there where one is inclinated (most anusayā), distinguished gross: 1. world, 1. Nibbana.

2019 Jan 17 06:20:33
Cheav Villa: លោកតាទើបចេះពន្យល់ ខ្ញុំ​មិនសូវ​ដឹងឆ្លើយទេ ^-^

2019 Jan 17 06:19:32
Cheav Villa: សូមចូលមកសរសេរសួរលោកតា នៅវត្ត​ កុំសួរតាមMessenger  :D

2019 Jan 17 06:18:35
Cheav Villa: សួស្តី​បងធី​ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 16:33:43
Cheav Villa: Things to read :D

2019 Jan 16 16:27:50
Cheav Villa: Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 15:28:02
Johann: The Story of Culekasataka (Maha Kassapa and his wife in former life)

2019 Jan 16 15:20:13
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 04:07:43
Khemakumara: Nyom Chanroth

2019 Jan 16 02:09:37
Chanroth: សាធុសាធុសាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 02:07:10
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 02:06:36
Chanroth: ជំរាបសួរ Moritz

2019 Jan 16 02:06:31
Johann: "Another day, another possibility. We don't know what tomorrow might be."

2019 Jan 15 19:41:08
Khemakumara: Nyom Moritz

2019 Jan 15 19:38:38
Moritz: Vandami Bhante (Khemakumara) _/\_

2019 Jan 15 17:13:16
Johann: Nyom Puthy, maybe this helps: ការរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុង website .

2019 Jan 15 16:10:29
Ieng Puthy: ព្រះអង្គករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុលាសិនហេីយ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:07:58
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាគ្រាន់តែចូលអាន ករុណាមិនទាន់យល់ពីរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុងwebsite នៅឡេីយទេ ព្រះអង្គ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:00:58
Johann: How ever one feels inspired, has joy, likes to give into.  How can I use the forum purposefully, for myself, as well as for others?

2019 Jan 15 15:57:55
Johann: No need to use all possibilities for merits for one alone but good to invite others to join and become more independend till free.

2019 Jan 15 15:04:39
Johann: no requirement to do all, merits step by step. "The path to nibbana is hard", they say, and don't do even little steps, Nyom. As inspired, its at least a working and concentration camp, Devas delight in creation, Devas having contr. over the creation of others.

2019 Jan 15 14:53:43
Cheav Villa: ព្រះអង្គការបកប្រែមកជាខ្មែរ  មានខុសច្រើនណាស់  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 14:49:16
Khemakumara: leng Puthy

2019 Jan 15 14:48:29
Khemakumara: Nyom leng Pitts

2019 Jan 15 14:45:35
Johann: There is a lot of new for many. If the Nyom Ladies like to help in translating here and there a little, it might be easier for khmer-speaking monks to get informed well.

2019 Jan 15 14:25:23
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 13:33:34
Khemakumara: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 13:32:47
Khemakumara: Bhante Johann _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 13:27:53
Johann: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 10:46:40
Johann: But a topic can be opened everywhere and can then be moved.

2019 Jan 15 10:45:27
Johann: There is also a Link to direct Requests for Teachings - link, so things get not lost.

2019 Jan 15 10:44:12
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាព្រះអង្គ🙏🏻អរព្រះគុុណ ព្រះអង្គ

2019 Jan 15 10:42:55
Johann: Good place is surely at  Dhammatalks - (dhamma desanā)

2019 Jan 15 10:35:06
Johann: Talkbox is not proper, just for greating and small-talk

2019 Jan 15 10:24:47
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ព្រះអង្គ តេីមានធម៌អ្វីដែលអាចកំចាត់ធម៌លោភៈល្អិតនៅក្នុងចិត្តបានដែរឬទេ ?ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Jan 15 10:21:37
Johann: Just open a new topic best, Nyom Puthy (requires some bhava-chanda)

2019 Jan 15 10:17:22
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 15 10:07:10
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe

2019 Jan 15 10:01:15
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គមុនី! ករុណាមានសំណួរ១អំពី អនុស្ស័យកិលេសមាន៧ គឺ 1-កាមរាគានុស្ស័យ 2-ភវនុស្ស័យ3

2019 Jan 15 09:31:36
Cheav Villa:  :)  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:27:54
Chanroth: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុន្នី ពីរអាស្រមថ្មទូក_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:21:46
Chanroth: បាតជំរាបសួរបងស្រី ខ្ញុំមិនទាន់បានធ្វេីនៅឡេីយទេ ពីព្រោះខ្ញុំឈឺ បានធូហេីយ តែមិនទាន់បាត់ថ្លោះករនៅឡេីយ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 08:57:49
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុនី  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 07:34:19
Johann: Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 05:57:47
Cheav Villa: តើពូកំពុងជួយការងារលោកតាមែនទេ?តើនៅអាស្រមមានកង្វះខាតអ្វីទេនៅពេលនេះ

2019 Jan 15 05:54:51
Cheav Villa: ជំរាបសួរពូចាន់រ័ត្ន _/\_

2019 Jan 15 01:12:12
Johann: And "we" wouldn't always know or find out but need to relay on one who know

2019 Jan 15 01:06:48
Johann: There are two kinds of sadness and happiness, of which one of each is conductive for liberation, one not.

2019 Jan 15 01:02:24
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we always be able to find out for ourselves how much attachment we accumulate, and whether this brings us happiness or sorrow! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 15 01:00:52
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mögen wir immer  selbst herausfinden kӧnnen, wie viel Anhaftung wir anhäufen und ob  diese Anhaftung uns die Frӧhlichkeit oder  die Traurigkeit bringt! Dhamma Grüβe aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 13:52:41
Johann: Nyom Puthy. May you all have good Dhamma conversations with each other, don't be shy on that. Atma will go to rest.

2019 Jan 14 13:48:00
Johann: ញោម ចាន់រ័ត្ន

2019 Jan 14 12:49:01
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 12:36:20
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we possess the causes of blissfulness always! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 12:35:18
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mӧgen wir immer die Ursachen der Glückseligkeit besitzen! Dhamma Grüβe  aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 10:20:32
Johann: "នាងវិសាខា ក្រាបបង្គំទូលថា ថ្ងៃនេះខ្ញុំម្ចាស់រក្សាឧបោសថៈព្រះអង្គ។"...

2019 Jan 14 09:49:40
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 06:59:34
Cheav Villa: Jain-Upossathaកូណាមុិនទាន់យល់ន័យនៃពាក្យនេះទេ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 05:12:41
Johann: "មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន"... មែន(sense)ទុក្ខឬមិន? Where?

2019 Jan 14 04:57:55
Johann: Buddha and Savaka do not teach Jain-Uposatha: អ្នកណា​មាទុក្ខ? , Sadhu

2019 Jan 14 04:50:21
Johann: ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល! មានទេមិនមាន ... ការនិយាយអំពីសត្វ។ ធម៌ទាំងអស់មានមូលហេតុ ដូច្នេះ: រឿងដំបូងនៅលើកដំបូង!

2019 Jan 14 04:21:59
Cheav Villa: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន ជាអនត្តាធម៌ ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល  _/\_

2019 Jan 14 04:16:00
Johann: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួនទេ = មិនមែនទុក្ខទេ

2019 Jan 14 04:06:00
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 14 04:05:16
Johann: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា !

2019 Jan 14 02:18:42
Chanroth: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា

2019 Jan 13 15:16:49
Johann: First things first , very recommended, hearing the Uposatha of the Jains from the Villages all the time here.

2019 Jan 13 15:05:49
Johann: again and again coming back to Dhamma, Punja? Habits become destinies.

2019 Jan 13 14:53:42
Johann: coming back seems to be niccaŋ

2019 Jan 13 14:40:52
Cheav Villa: អនិច្ចំ *sgift*

2019 Jan 13 14:29:43
Ieng Puthy:  Chom reap leah , good bye🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:18:50
Moritz: Chom reap leah, good bye _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:11:50
Ieng Puthy: Hello Master Morithz🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:07:24
Moritz: Hello Ieng Puthy _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:07:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jan 13 13:54:34
Ieng Puthy: ជំរាបសួរ បងចាន់រ័ត្ន Bong Chanroth 🙏🏼សូមបងឆាប់បានជាសះស្បេីយ

2019 Jan 13 13:49:26
Johann: Meister Moritz

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Atma recently came to get known the "reddit-Buddhism " social network for hungry ghosts and there in this, like in most Buddhist forum the Moha-yana dominates. On how those "heroes" justify their ways of killing and stealing might be more clear if one reads their Suttas, lies and reply's on topics like euthanasia and dealing with Dhamma. This wired sect, calling themselves "Buddhists" is even more dangerous as a radical Taliban organization.

Quote from: deathnate4 on ratdit

    The Skill In Means ([An]Upayakausalya) Sutra, as translated by Mark Tatz, goes like this:

    Then the Lord [Buddha] again addressed the Bodhisattva Jnanottara: “Son of the family: Once a upon a time, long before the Thus-come-one, the Worthy, the fully perfected Buddha Dipamkara, there were five hundred merchants who set sail on the high seas in search of wealth. Among the company was a doer of dark deeds, a doer of evil deeds, a robber well-trained in the art of weaponry, who had come on board that very ship to attack them. He thought, “I will kill all these merchants when they have achieved their aims and done what they set out to do, take all possessions and go to Jambu Continent.”

    “Son of the family: then the merchants achieved their aims and set about to depart. No sooner had they done so, than that deceitful person thought: “Now I will kill all these merchants, take all their possessions and go to Jambu Continent. The time has come.” At the same time, among the company on board was a captain named Great Compassionate. While Captain Great Compassionate slept on one occasion, the deities who dwelt in that ocean showed him in a dream: ‘’’Among this ship’s company is a person named so and so, of such and such sort of physique, of such and such, garb, complex, and shape—a robber mischievous, a thief of others’ property. He is thinking,” I will kill all these merchants, take all their possessions and go to Jambu Continent.”

    To kill these merchants would create formidable evil karma for that person. Why so? These five hundred merchants are all progressing toward supreme, right and full awakening; they are each irreversible from awakening. If he should kill these Bodhisattvas, the fault—the obstacle caused by the deed—would cause him to burn in the great hells for as long as it take each one of these Bodhisattva to achieve supreme, right and full awakening, consecutively. Therefore, Captain, think of some skill in means to prevent this person from killing the five hundred merchants and going to the great hells because of the deed.’

    “Son of the family: Then the captain Great Compassionate awoke. He considered what means there might be to prevent that person from killing the five hundred merchants and going to the great hells. Seven days passed with a wind averse to sailing to Jambu Continent. Without wind during those seven days he plunged deep into thought, not speaking to anyone. “He thought, ‘There is no means to prevent this from slaying the merchants and going to the great hells but to kill him.’ “And he thought, ‘if I were to report this to the merchants, they would kill and slay him with angry thoughts and all go to the great hells themselves.’ “And he thought, ‘if I were to kill this person, I would likewise burn in the great hells for one hundred-thousand eons because of it. Yet I can bear to experience the pain of the great hells, that this person not slay these five hundred merchants and develop so much evil karma. I will kill this person myself.

    “Son of the family: Accordingly, the captain Great Compassionate protected those five hundred merchants and protected that person from going to the great hells, by deliberately stabbing and slaying that person who was a robber with a spear, with great compassion and skill in means. And all among the company achieved their aims and each went to his own city. Son of the family. At that time, in that life I was none other than the Captain Great Compassionate. Have no second thought or doubt on this point. The five hundred merchants on board the five hundred Bodhisattvas who are to niranize to supreme, right and full awakening in this auspicious eon.

    “Son of the family: For me, Samsara was curtailed for one hundred-thousand eons because of that skill in means and great compassion. And the robber died to be reborn in a world of paradise. The five hundred merchants on board are the hundred future Buddhas of the auspicious eon. Son of the family, what do you think of this? Can curtailing birth and death for one hundred-thousand eons with that skill in means and that great compassion with gnosis of skill in means be regarded as the Bodhisattva’s obstacle caused by past deeds? Do not view it in that way. That should be regarded as his very skill in means.”



Of course Atma got soon killed following the compassionate words of the top heroes and Bodhisattvas:

Quote from: Bodhisattva Zrxn
May the Light of Mahayana shine upon you and may you one day awaken bodhicitta and see that you are walking the Bodhisattva path. (Bodhisattva Zrxn)
 

Quote from: ??
Nagarjuna:

    O sublime, precious bodhicitta,

    May it arise in those in whom it has not arisen.

    May it never decline where it has arisen,

    But go on increasing further and further



On stealing from Buddha, Dhamma Sangha:

[–]clickstation

http://accesstoinsight.org :)

(Or to be more precise http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/index.html)


[–]Samana_Johann

Such is give, do never buy Dhamma or even steal, debbxi! Only in that way you could benefit. By intention, words and deeds.




[–]clickstationchan

To be fair, translators and publishers gotta eat, too.


[–]Samana_Johann

Foolish thought, to be straight forward. Not even the requirement to teach and actually (let me bet) you have never given food to any monk, have you ever given something?

Dhamma is not able to be carried by laypeople. That is impossible, and actually there is more destroyed as gained.

Maybe you like to start to learn about economy of gifts

A monk (a person) is not worthy of what he gives you back, such would stay in the world. That is because you have been introduced by dealers into the teachings, and as they deal (making a livelihood on Dhamma selling, monks as lay people), how could they teach different and just like the Buddha taught. If you are more a Tibetan, study the Bodhisattva vows and what it would cause to earn money in the name of the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.


   
One should not make an effort everywhere, should not be another's hireling, should not live dependent on another, should not go about as a trader in the Dhamma. Paṭisalla Sutta


There is no way to gain any from a buy of a Dhamma book, you might have entertainment, but you even increase "I can" and I am independent and wrong view. If we talk about the buyer.

Somebody who sells the Dhamma, is really a poor person. You can be sure, he will never have a happy life at the end. Its not possible to be the great giver, if living on the first floor. That is why Sila has much more value in this case. No need to give if not possible.

Atma gives it 10 year, if there is no change, and the Sangha is gone from this world. Never see it again for the most.

You will not easily get such straight forward words, so think about it. Its not for a bad.


[–]clickstation

Honestly, and no offense, I'm having a tough time understanding what you mean.

But one thing is clear: I'm not disparaging monks in any way. I'm just saying that "buying Dhamma" isn't always a bad thing, especially if it's simply a translation, where the translator's "Dhamma level" doesn't factor too much into it.

And I certainly can't agree that one can't benefit from the Dhamma if it's "bought."


[–]debbxi

...yea... and I wouldn't know how else to receive it at this point.


[–]Samana_Johann

Don't worry, Atma did not feel you offend consciously (but unknowingly, which is actually more dangerous, its not so that one knows without having be taught aside of some seldom Paccecabuddhas this days in this world, and they are not able to teach.) all, Mr/Mrs Clickstation.

    I'm just saying that "buying Dhamma" isn't always a bad thing, especially if it's simply a translation, where the translator's "Dhamma level" doesn't factor too much into it.

Its the fist time in 2500 years that Dhamma is sold. It is always a bad thing, not knowing is also akusala. That why you are taught, to make not the same mistake. Live your live and if you are inspired to give, give. If not not, not. No need to sell something what is not ones own. An Arahat would have the right, but he do it neither. That is Osho-Dhamma, what you costumers get served. Buddhas economy is beyond the world and there is no way to really misuse it without earning the fruits, sooner or later.

So when ever you enter, think about what you can give, not vici versa.


[–]clickstation

Well, I understand you better now, and you hold a good point.

Still, in my opinion, that's the ideal.. but not the bare minimum :)

Let's agree to disagree.


[–]clickstation

Well, I understand you better now, and you hold a good point.

Still, in my opinion, that's the ideal.. but not the bare minimum :)

Let's agree to disagree.



[–]Samana_Johann

No problem, Dhukka is "just", no need to go to a judge to come to the Buddha at least if came in contact one time.


[–]Fire_Elemental - vajrayana
   
If you are more a Tibetan, study the Bodhisattva vows and what it would cause to earn money in the name of the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.


Please don't disparage other Buddhist vehicles, schools, teachers, etc. here are /r/Buddhism.


[–]Samana_Johann

Who tells? Avannaraha Sutta: Dispraise . So is it yours? Better train your Bodhisattva Vows.

If that is not right, read and learn. First the shared Sutta. And then Root Bodhisattva Vows - A root downfall means a loss of the entire set of bodhisattva vows.

(2) Not sharing Dharma teachings or wealth# (3) Not listening to others' apologies or striking others (5) Taking offerings intended for the Triple Gem (6) Forsaking the holy Dharma (12) Turning others away from full enlightenment (13) Turning others away from their pratimoksha vows (we had even the mordering Boddhisattva this days...) (16) Accepting what has been stolen from the Triple Gem (17) Establishing unfair policies

And such is the most dangers, thinking on Buddhamind... (8) Committing any of the five heinous crimes

Very important and nobody cares! (11) Teaching voidness to those whose minds are untrained

These are your vows. The Buddha did not give such to laypeople, since they are not capable.

And who would you even know if not here or there a Bodhisattva is talking to you?

Vajarana is known to handle and sell the most of the Dhamma and make Business, live in dependency of a certain group. Not possible.

So we are right on the topic, and it is in regard of Buddha-Dhamma or is it a Tibetan forum?

Its absolutely good and proper if you see that as a heavy rebuke.


[–]Samana_Johann

...To continue maintaining and expanding our website requires 100,000 euros (US $150,000) a year. Berzin Archiv.

They do not really know what they vow, and think that a person, who have even not learned to great can be a Bodhisattva, you are cheating people and life from it, that's it. Classical Pyramid-business.




[–]Fire_Elemental vajrayana

/u/Samana_Johann, I did not post to open a conversation with you, I posted, as a moderator, to tell you the minimum standard of conduct to post on this board. If you continue to sow discord you will be banned. This is your last warning.



So such is neither Mahayana nor Bodhisattva Path, that is simply foolishness.
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