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2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Dhammañāṇa:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Dhammañāṇa: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Dhammañāṇa: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
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Since it was posted in the area where Candies and Bulldozer are managing the ways of existing and not existing, and first bulldozers have arisen on the horrorzont, Atma would like to repost, prepost it here as well:

Side discussion on the murmur and wailing topic: The Imaginariums of the Nuns: Days That Are Past and Futures That May Yet Be



Hi, Peter, thanks for your comments and I’m valuing this discussion very much. I suppose on these issues I fall back on what the Buddha prescribed for these issues. For example, while giving to the monks is merit making, the teaching as I have read it is that the Buddha taught that one gives to whomever his/her heart believes is most in need and deserving; dana is driven by this pure intention, vs. obligation to one group or person over another. The more that the laity understand of the actual Dhamma of the Buddha, the more guidance that is available for ethical and practical situations like those you so carefully described. And yes, despite our having the Buddha’s instructions, some do not pay attention to the guidance he has given to all of us on proper attitude and practice. Likely many monks skew this guidance so that the laity feels directed to support them, or the dana is tied to mechanical acts of merit making, vs. being directed to give to those most deserving and in greatest need. A great discussion…thanks for your insights, and have a good week..

Valued Anagarika Michael,
it is not right if one says Dhamma for Dana is the deal, or Dana for Dhamma. Such is not the case and not intended by the Buddha at all. Actually there are many blocks that such a dealing could righteously take place. Both acts whether of the giving by Lay people or by monastics, have to be based on “no desire to get anything in return”. As for the Bhikkhu or Bhikkhuni, the Buddha told, that it is better to swallow burning iron balls then to accept a Dana based of greed. In regard of teaching, it is not allowed to do it for a gift, so Dana can only be received independently. There are even some rules, to block such corruptions (no need to speak about dhamma sharing places where dana would be suggested…) Atma guesses, that the thought of yours comes from the sutta, where Buddha speaks about the benefits both have of each other, to be aware of the matter of gratitude, but that potential dive goes direct into the practice and the sutta does not suggest Dhamma for Dana is the deal, if reading carefully and knowing the general attitude of the danger, that, like many monks and nuns, grow to corrupter of families, villages, communities, countries and even the whole world.
The reason why a Bhikkhu or Bhikkhuni would be worthy of gifts, would be the fact, that he walks the right path or in its direction, which has much more impact on everybody and that would make them worthy and even the greatest field of merits, why to give people making Dhamma their livelihood, making deals, would be not only less merit, but a sooner or later destruction of the path.
We or many should think about this matter very often and deep, rather to get popular by serving demands, claiming rather to teach right view..

Dear Samana Johann: Thanks for your kind response, and I do think that we generally agree with each other. I hope my comments didn’t suggest a “deal” between disciple and monastic; only that the relationship is mutual and must be healthy and motivated by pure ideals and intentions. I read today of an abbot in Thailand that ordered bulldozed a disciples’ home because she had the temerity to write a letter critical of the abbot’s behavior. This is, of course, and example of the disciple/monk relationship gone wrong and corrupt. I do feel that as always, the Buddha’s prescription for these relationships must always be mutual, beneficial, and motivated by the purest of intentions…this will ensure the viability of both the Dhamma and the monastic Sangha…we see this kind of positive relationship with many good monks and nuns, with Ajahns Brahm, Brahmali and Sujato and their disciples being just one excellent example of this.
I wish you the best, Samana Johann, with Metta. Anagarika Michael

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Valued Anagarika Micheal,
such an agreement or not, if based on mind, it has the danger, that mind does not see for now. That is why there are simply rules, to make the risks as small as possible. What you mentioned in your post, are two sides of the same hand. On one side you have the “bad” Abbot, a case where the “love” side has already ripen to worst case. Starting with a minor fault, it grows to Sanghadisesa 13, as it has grow to that, it grows to a Pārājika. You would see the same in the case of the “good” monks you have mentioned, if you would not involved. Today on most places, there is the opinion, that lay people and monks, monks and nuns, are to make their stuff together. Actually such does not even hold for the Sangha of Monk, taken them, as such as a mutual relationship exists only for a teacher and a disciple, a trainee and his preceptor and is well defined. Everything else is already in the sphere of corruption, forces identification and will naturally lead to destruction of either the dhamma or the relation at least. See for example the post of Fiona. You can see the outcomes easy, if observed and don’t believe that there are no “bulldozer” acting around the group of monks you think that they are walking the right way. Monks who think that they can use “greedy” people for there aims, are not aware, that “greedy” do not remember the hand which they have been feed. They nourish baby tigers. As long as they are able to supply food, there will be no problem and everybody would say great. When times of less food will come, they will be the first who will be eaten.
The thought, our relation should be this and this is already wrong. When we remember for example the Sigalovada Sutta, we see that each individual has his/her task in different relation, and that’s already all. No need to demand this or that, since the good results will come by there previous causes and not by this or that wish.

 
   “In five ways, young householder, should a householder minister to ascetics and brahmans as the Zenith:

    (i) by lovable deeds,
    (ii) by lovable words,
    (iii) by lovable thoughts,
    (iv) by keeping open house to them,
    (v) by supplying their material needs.

    “The ascetics and brahmans thus ministered to as the Zenith by a householder show their compassion towards him in six ways:

    (i) they restrain him from evil,
    (ii) they persuade him to do good,
    (iii) they love him with a kind heart,
    (iv) they make him hear what he has not heard,
    (v) they clarify what he has already heard,
    (vi) they point out the path to a heavenly state.


You will not find such as: “they need to go against/for this and that together” or “they have do things together” or “they have to take side with the objectives of each other”. Such you find only in the case of the relation of students and even here, taken the sample, that one does something wrong, the other part has the duty, to prevent him/her form doing wrong. Vatta Khandhaka: Collection of Duties or in Nissaya. Only in a relation like this, such as hierarchy and eventually problems of power take place, but such a relation, against some usual ways is certain sects, between monastics and lay people has not be founded by the Buddha, since such a dependency out of there frames, is not possibly without a lot of problems.

In regard of Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis, such things are even more serious and strict, so that such as socializing will not have ways to take place. 95% of people come together for the seek of community and to socialize and that is the beginning of conflict. They come to identify, to become, to be, but all of this is actually the opposite of the way and its aims but the marked demand and the way one could “finance” his own identity, becoming and to be. Then community-papanca takes place, which is even more worse that normal papanca, like changing a gun with a nuclear bomb, like the Bhikkhuni-Objectivication, perfect sampled in this topic here:

    Papañca & the path to end conflict
    The 108 tanhas, comming from this 18 verbalications:

    “There being ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha is,’ there comes to be ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha is here,’ there comes to be ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha is like this’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha is otherwise’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha is bad’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha is am good’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha might be’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha might be here’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha might be like this’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha might be otherwise’ … ‘May Bhikkhunis Sangha be’ … ‘May Bhikkhunis Sangha be here’ … ‘May Bhikkhunis Sangha be like this’ … ‘May Bhikkhunis Sangha be otherwise’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha will be’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha will be here’ … ‘IBhikkhunis Sangha will be like this’ … ‘Bhikkhunis Sangha will be otherwise.’”
    MN 2
    “‘Was Bhikkhunis Sangha in the past? Was Bhikkhunis Sangha not in the past? What was Bhikkhunis Sangha in the past? How was Bhikkhunis Sangha in the past? Having been what, what was Bhikkhunis Sangha in the past? Shall Bhikkhunis Sangha be in the future? Shall Bhikkhunis Sangha not be in the future? What shall Bhikkhunis Sangha be in the future? How shall Bhikkhunis Sangha be in the future? Having been what, what shall Bhikkhunis Sangha be in the future?’ … ’Is Bhikkhunis Sangha? Is Bhikkhunis Sangha not? What is Bhikkhunis Sangha? How is Bhikkhunis Sangha? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?’”

    “The view I have a self arises in him as true & established, or the view I have no self… or the view It is precisely by means of self that I perceive self… or the view It is precisely by means of self that I perceive not-self… or the view It is precisely by means of not-self that I perceive self arises in him as true & established, or else he has a view like this: This very self of mine–the knower that is sensitive here & there to the ripening of good & bad actions–is the self of mine that is constant, everlasting, eternal, not subject to change, and will endure as long as eternity.


Such come up as well for you thought of the relation “lay people and monastics”, but actually there is no need for developing such a relation and as we find everywhere in the teachings, to fix the problem, we reduce to frame of observation, to an size, which we can handle a little with and which would not overwhelm us immediately.

With this, involving even parts, who are actually not directly in conflict, since Bhikkhu business is Bhikkhu business, Bhikkhuni business is Bhikkhuni business… and the touching possibilities are good and strict defined, with this desire of being and becoming, a huge wave hurting touching points grows and such is actually the reason for even wars.

That is why worldly heros are called simply idiots (people who dont understand) in Dhamma frames and normal people would easily miss the heros within the Sangha, if living correct, since they will hold real heros for idiots. But is one simply keeps up only his task, not only that he will meet real heros sooner or later, he/she, at the moment he/she starts in this way, is actually already on the track to become a real hero by him/herselves.

There are possibilities and task, which one can use to grow, but there is no, no place for demands and calling for. In this way, you should also see this word. They maintain a lot of tasks and possibilities to let go, but you are not forced form outside to take on them and it would be not good, if you would make it just for the sake of relationship. They are not for sure.

    I will tell
    of how
    I experienced
    samvega.
    Seeing people floundering
    like fish in small puddles,
    competing with one another–

    as I saw this,
    fear came into me.

    The world was entirely
    without substance.
    All the directions
    were knocked out of line.
    Wanting a haven for myself,
    I saw nothing
    that wasn’t laid claim to.
    Seeing nothing in the end
    but competition,
    I felt discontent.

    Rather than trying to solve the problem by looking for a larger puddle for himself or his fellow fish, he looked inside to see why people would want to be fish in the first place. What he found was an arrow embedded in his own heart:

    And then I saw
    an arrow here,
    so very hard to see,
    embedded in the heart.
    Overcome by this arrow
    you run in all directions.
    But simply
    on pulling it out
    you don’t run,
    you don’t sink.


Happy samvega and may pasada developed in accord and as often as possible, don’t take refuge in what is not for sure and does not walk straight ahead to security, Upasaka Michael.


‘This is why the relationship between lay and monastic is not hierarchical’.

Entry criteria to some Theravadan monasteries is not transparent. This is an example of power. The nuns having to collectively bow to monks in view of the public at nuns ordinations is about power. The well known ritual of nuns having to report on a regular basis to monks is about power.

Dream on Bhante.

May I remember Fiona, that a monastery and other Dana is actually give. If it would be the case, that a giver would demand anything as a “claim” while giving, such a gift should be rejected by the community of monks, actually such would be the case for many monasteries. So in regard of Fionas welfare, do not think is such ways. Give if inspired or let it be. No duty or must at all and claiming afterwards would simply burn your previous good deeds. Such deeds would be in every case more worthy as to try to teach others a lesson, wouldn’t it?
Only in a corrupt relationship (and it needs two parts) such as power can find a foundation and a hold. If one thinks in measures of rights, which is sadly introduced by monks… ones actions are nothing but based of wrong view, and actions based an wrong views have very heavy impacts for ones future.
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