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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Upanisa Sutta: Grundvoraussetzungen

In Savatthi verweilend... "Bhikkhus, das Enden von Ausflüssen, ist für einen der weiß und sieht, sage ich Euch, nicht für einen der nicht weiß und nicht sieht. Für einen der was weiß und was sieht, ist da das Enden von Ausflüssen? 'So ist Form, so ihr Entstehen, so ihr Verschwinden. So ist Gefühl, so sein Entstehen, so sein Verschwinden. So ist Vorstellung, so sein Entstehen, so sein Verschwinden. So sind Gestaltungen, so ihr Entstehen, so ihr Verschwinden. So ist Bewußtsein, so sein Entstehen, so sein Verschwinden.' Das Enden von Ausflüssen, ist für einen der in dieser Weise weiß und in dieser Weise sieht.

"Das Wissen von Enden, in der Gegenwart von Enden, hat seine Grundvoraussetzung, sage ich Euch. Es ist nicht ohne eine Grundvoraussetzung. Und was ist die Grundvoraussetzung für das Wissen von Enden? Befreiung, sollte gesagt werden. Befreiung hat seine Grundvoraussetzung, sage ich Euch. Es ist nicht ohne eine Grundvoraussetzung. Und was ist seine Grundvoraussetzung? Nichtbegierde... Ernüchterung... Wissen und Vision, über Dinge so wie sie tatsächlich gegenwärtig sind... Konzentration... Wohl... Gestilltheit... Entzücken... Freude... Vertrauen... Streß... Geburt... Werden... Festhalten... Verlangen... Gefühl... Berührung... die sechs Sinnesträger... Name-und-Form... Bewußtsein... Gestaltungen... Gestaltungen haben deren Grundvoraussetzung. Und was ist deren Grundvoraussetzung? Unwissenheit, sollte gesagt werden.

"So haben Gestaltungen Unwissenheit als deren Grundvoraussetzung, Bewußtsein hat Gestaltungen als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Name-und-Form hat Bewußtsein als seine Grundvoraussetzung, der sechs Sinnesträger hat Name-und Form als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Berührung hat den sechs Sinnesträger als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Gefühl hat Berührung als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Verlangen hat Gefühl als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Festhalten hat Verlangen als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Werden hat Festhalten als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Geburt hat Werden als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Streß und Leiden hat Geburt als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Vertrauen hat Geburt als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Freude hat Vertrauen als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Verzücken hat Freude als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Gestilltheit hat Verzücken als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Konzentration hat Wohl als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Wissen und Vision von Dingen, wie sie tatsächlich gegenwärtig sind, hat Ernüchterung als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Nichtbegierde hat Wissen und Vision von Dingen, wie sie tatsächlich gegenwärtig sind, als Grundvoraussetzung, Befreiung hat Nichtbegierde als seine Grundvoraussetzung, Wissen von Enden hat Befreiung als seine Grundvoraussetzung.

"Gerade so als ob Götter Regen in schweren Tropfen schütten und Donner schmettern, in den oberen Bergen: Füllt das Wasser, die Hänge hinunter fließend, der Berge Kluften und Spalten und Rinnen. Wenn der Berge Kluften und Spalten und Rinnen voll sind, füllen diese kleine Weiher. Wenn die kleinen Weiher voll sind, füllen diese die großen Seen. Wenn die großen Seen voll sind, füllen diese die kleinen Flüsse. Wenn die kleinen Flüsse voll sind, füllen diese die großen Flüsse. Wenn die großen Flüsse voll sind, füllen diese den großen Ozean. In selber Weise:

Gestaltungen haben Unwissenheit als deren Grundvoraussetzung, saṅkhārā

Bewußtsein hat Gestaltungen als seine Grundvoraussetzung, viññāṇa

Name-und-Form hat Bewußtsein seine Grundvoraussetzung, nāmarūpa

sechs Sinnesträger hat Name-und-Form als seine Grundvoraussetzung, saḷāyatana

Berührung hat sechs Sinnesträger als seine Grundvoraussetzung, phassa

Gefühl hat Berührung als seine Grundvoraussetzung, vedana

Verlangen hat Gefühl als seine Grundvoraussetzung, taṇha

Festhalten hat Verlangen als seine Grundvoraussetzung, upādāna

Werden hat Festhalten als seine Grundvoraussetzung, bhava

Geburt hat Werden als seine Grundvoraussetzung, jāti

Streß und Leiden hat Geburt als seine Grundvoraussetzung, dukkha

Vertrauen hat Streß und Leiden als seine Grundvoraussetzung, saddha

Freude hat Vertrauen als seine Grundvoraussetzung, pāmujja

Verzücken hat Freude als seine Grundvoraussetzung, pīti

Gestilltheit hat Verzücken als seine Grundvoraussetzung, passaddhi

Wohl hat Gestilltheit als seine Grundvoraussetzung, sukha

Konzentration hat Wohl als seine Grundvoraussetzung, samādhi

Wissen und Vision von Dingen, wie sie tatsächlich gegenwärtig sind, hat Konzentration als seine Grundvoraussetzung, athābhūtañāṇadassana

Ernüchterung hat Wissen und Vision von Dingen, wie sie tatsächlich gegenwärtig sind, als Grundvoraussetzung, nibbida

Nichtbegierde hat Ernüchterung als seine Grundvoraussetzung, virāga

Befreiung hat Nichtbegierde als seine Grundvoraussetzung, vimutti

Wissen von Enden hat Befreiung als seine Grundvoraussetzung. khaye ñāṇa"
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"Believe" is actually the most required prerequisite, not only to listen to the Dhamma but also to put an effort to get results you are not able to know for now.
It is a modern delusion that there is even any action (effort) without believing in first place and of cause such a beloved view was long time used to sell Dhamma of the Buddha to people in broad and use it as opposition to other religions.
The different is just, that you can put your believe at least to a prove which others mostly not can and they also lack of samples (people) who have reached the promised.
For some more understand of what actually believe (no need to quarrel about the certain word for it: following something what actually is not really known and seen now) you may read:
Faith In Awakening
Refuge: An Introduction to the Buddha, Dhamma, & Sangha
The Truth of Rebirth: And Why it Matters for Buddhist Practice
or
A Look at the Kalama Sutta , by Bhikkhu Bodhi (1998; 4pp./12KB)
 
Some popular contemporary teachings claim that the Buddha advocates putting one's trust solely in what one can know and experience directly for oneself. In fact, when we take into careful consideration the context of this sutta, it becomes clear that this interpretation altogether misses a much more important point.
 
Altogether it's the root factor in the depending co-arising that leads to the end of suffering: Upanisa Sutta: Prerequisites   "...stress & suffering have birth as their prerequisite, conviction (saddha) has stress & suffering as its prerequisite, joy has conviction as its prerequisite...release has dispassion as its prerequisite, knowledge of ending has release as its prerequisite."
The condition that one has unshakable faith into Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha incl. virtue describes a person who has entered the stream and is already no more able to miss the finally aim. (DN 16 )
How ever, it also runs sometimes this way: "When this was said, Upaka said, 'May it be so, my friend,' and — shaking his head, taking a side-road — he left." (Ariyapariyesana Sutta: The Noble Search ) Circle of Life and suffering and the way out of it
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For a person facing Stress and suffering and meeting the Tripple Gems, there is no act of will, 'May I gain conviction'. It is the nature of things that in a person, facing Stress and suffering and facing the Tripple Gems, conviction is gained.

For a person with conviction, there is no act of will, 'May I be generous, may I have possibility to give, my I let go of stingyness'. It is in the nature of things that, in a person of conviction, generosity and giving is established.

For a person of generosity and freedom of stinginess, there is no act of will, 'May I become virtuous'. It is the nature of things that, in a person of generosity and freedom of stinginess, virtue increases.


Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Cetana Sutta: An Act of Will

"For a person endowed with virtue, consummate in virtue, there is no need for an act of will, 'May freedom from remorse arise in me.' It is in the nature of things that freedom from remorse arises in a person endowed with virtue, consummate in virtue.

"For a person free from remorse, there is no need for an act of will, 'May joy arise in me.' It is in the nature of things that joy arises in a person free from remorse.

"For a joyful person, there is no need for an act of will, 'May rapture arise in me.' It is in the nature of things that rapture arises in a joyful person.

"For a rapturous person, there is no need for an act of will, 'May my body be serene.' It is in the nature of things that a rapturous person grows serene in body.

"For a person serene in body, there is no need for an act of will, 'May I experience pleasure.' It is in the nature of things that a person serene in body experiences pleasure.

"For a person experiencing pleasure, there is no need for an act of will, 'May my mind grow concentrated.' It is in the nature of things that the mind of a person experiencing pleasure grows concentrated.

"For a person whose mind is concentrated, there is no need for an act of will, 'May I know & see things as they actually are.' It is in the nature of things that a person whose mind is concentrated knows & sees things as they actually are.

"For a person who knows & sees things as they actually are, there is no need for an act of will, 'May I feel disenchantment.' It is in the nature of things that a person who knows & sees things as they actually are feels disenchantment.

"For a person who feels disenchantment, there is no need for an act of will, 'May I grow dispassionate.' It is in the nature of things that a person who feels disenchantment grows dispassionate.

"For a dispassionate person, there is no need for an act of will, 'May I realize the knowledge & vision of release.' It is in the nature of things that a dispassionate person realizes the knowledge & vision of release.

"In this way, dispassion has knowledge & vision of release as its purpose, knowledge & vision of release as its reward. Disenchantment has dispassion as its purpose, dispassion as its reward. Knowledge & vision of things as they actually are has disenchantment as its purpose, disenchantment as its reward. Concentration has knowledge & vision of things as they actually are as its purpose, knowledge & vision of things as they actually are as its reward. Pleasure has concentration as its purpose, concentration as its reward. Serenity has pleasure as its purpose, pleasure as its reward. Rapture has serenity as its purpose, serenity as its reward. Joy has rapture as its purpose, rapture as its reward. Freedom from remorse has joy as its purpose, joy as its reward. Skillful virtues have freedom from remorse as their purpose, freedom from remorse as their reward.

"In this way, mental qualities lead on to mental qualities, mental qualities bring mental qualities to their consummation, for the sake of going from the near to the Further Shore."

For a person with blessed birth, auspicious reappearing, is there no act of will, 'May I realize stress and suffering, may I meet the Tripple Gems.' It is tha nature of things, that a person with blessed birth, auspicious reappearing, sees suffering and stress, meets the Tripple Gems.

So is it, that Guest s birth, your reapearing, has the realization of stress and suffering and the meeting of the Tripple Gems as purpose, has realization of stress and suffering and the meeting of the Tripple Gems as its reward.

Who would - if seeing - waist a gifted (re)birth away? Would not train in conviction - gained by be-visioned - by it's fundations, at any time, on any place, and to recollect the Juwels to clean him/herself.
Anumodana!
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Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
... doing so based on gratitude without just trading in giving, or out of duty in a relation one resits, one is able to get not only to the borders, but into Noble ones domain.

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