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2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Author Topic: Two kinds of freedom - Insight and it missuses (autsch!)  (Read 3364 times)

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Two kinds of freedom - Insight and it missuses (autsch!)
« on: January 15, 2016, 02:36:49 PM »


Quote from: Sourced by Ajahn Brahm (wikiquote)
There are two kinds of freedom to be found in our world: the freedom of desires, and the freedom from desires. Our modern Western culture only recognizes the first of these, freedom of desires. It then worships such a freedom by enshrining it at the forefront of national constitutions and bills of human rights. One can say that the underlying creed of most Western democracies is to protect their people's freedom to realize their desires, as far as this is possible. It is remarkable that in such countries people do not feel very free. The second kind of freedom, freedom from desires, is celebrated only in some religious communities. It celebrates contentment, peace that is free from desires. It is remarkable that in such abstemious communities like my monastery, people feel free.

    Who Ordered This Truckload of Dung (2005).


Da sind zwei Arten von Freiheit, die in unserer Welt zu finden sind: Die Freiheit für Begierde, und die Freiheit von Begierde. Unsere moderne westliche Kultur anerkennt nur die erste von diesen, Freiheit für Begierden. Sie bettet dann solche Freiheit in Verehrung auf der Vorderseite von Verfassungen und Menschenrechtserklärungen an. Man kann sagen, daß die unterschwellige Glaubensbekenntnis der meisten Westlichen Demokratien dazu dient, vor der Leutes Freiheit, so weit wie nur möglich, zu beschützen, ihre eigene Begierde zu erkennen. Es ist bemerkenswert, daß in sich Leute in solchen Ländern nicht sehr frei fühlen. Die zweite Art von Freiheit, Freiheit von Begierde, wird nur in einigen religiösen Gemeinschaften gefreiert. Es ist bemerkenswert, daß in sich Leute in solchen Gemeinschaften, wie meinem Kloster, frei fühlen.

  Wer hat die Wagenladung Mist bestellt (2005)


What an insight and what a misuse for ones sake again  ^-^

That is why the Buddha and real compassionate teacher never gave a little of a feeling of security since one who even get a little the feeling of being secure, sees something else as the Jewels as refuge and doesn't feel the fire on the head, will certainly stop, being caught by Brahma inveigled my Mara.

Atma wonder where the picture of Brahm, smiling with abundance belly, in front of the google add "we do the work for you" has been disappeared to.


Was für eine Einsicht und was für ein abermaliger Misbrauch für die Eigene Sache... ^-^

Das ist der Grund warum der Buddha und alle wirklich mitfühlenden Lehrer nie mals nur ein Wenig von Sicherheitsgefühl geben, denn einer der auch nur etwas annimmt sicher zu sein, etwas anderes als die Juwelen als Zuflucht sieht, und das Feuer am Kopf nicht fühlt, wird sicher stoppen, gefangen von Brahma, verleitet von Mara.

Atma wundert sich wo das Bild von Brahm, lächend mit Wohstandsbau, vor der Googlewerbung "Wir machen die Arbeit für Sie" hinverschwunden ist.




Atma does not like this street gang language and the notion of love and hate in this game, but the picture drawn is of useful value.

Atma mag diese Straßengangsprache nicht und auch nicht das Liebe Hass Spiel, aber das Bild das da gezeichnet wird, ist von großem Wert.
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Re: Two kinds of freedom - Insight and it missuses (autsch!)
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2019, 12:42:15 AM »
Modern/Western "Buddhist", of all regions, are often in defending with last means as Mara often did, to hold the crowd, in trying to silent the Buddha, speaking words like:

Moderne/westliche "Buddhisten", aller Regionen, verteitigen oft mit den letzten Mitteln wie Mara es oft tat um die Menge zu halten, mit dem Versuch den Buddha, mit Worten wie diesen, ruhig zu stellen:

ប្រសិនបើអ្វីដែលអ្នកចង់និយាយគឺមិនស្រស់ស្អាតជាងភាពស្ងៀមស្ងាត់នោះទេចូររក្សាភាពស្ងៀមស្ងាត់។


Following the Brahma-Invitation, it run always out like that:

Der Brahmaeinladung gefolgt lief es stets so ab:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

..."Dann sagte Mara, der Böse, Besitz von einem Begleiter von Brahmas Versammlung einnehmend, zu mir: 'Wenn, guter Herr, dieses ist, was ihr erkennt, wenn das jenes ist, zu dem Ihr erwacht seid, führt keine (Laien) Schüler, oder jene die fortgezogen sind. Lehrt nicht das Dhamma an (Laien) Schüler, oder jene, die fortgezogen sind. Sehnt nicht nach (Laien) Schüler, oder jenen die fortgezogen sind. Da waren, guter Herr, vor Eurer Zeit, Brahmanen und Besinnliche in der Welt, die behauptet hatten würdig und rechtens Selbsterwacht zu sein. Sie führten (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen waren. Sie lehrten das Dhamma an (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen waren. Sie sehnten nach (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen waren. Laien (Schüler) und jene, die fortgezogen, geführt habend, das Dhamma an (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen, gelehrt habend, sich nach (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen, gesehnt habend, mit dem Zerfall des Körpers, mit dem Abschneiden des Lebens, waren in einem Leichenkörper eingerichtet.

"'Da waren, guter Herr, vor Eurer Zeit, Brahmanen und Besinnliche in dieser Welt, welche behaupteten würdig und rechtens Selbsterwacht zu sein. Sie führten keine (Laien) Schüler, und jene, die fortgezogen, an. Sie lehrten das Dhamma nicht an (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen waren. Sie sehnten sich nicht nach (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen waren. Laien (Schüler) und jene, die fortgezogen, nicht geführt habend, das Dhamma an (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen, nicht gelehrt habend, sich nach (Laien) Schüler und jene, die fortgezogen, nicht gesehnt habend, mit dem Zerfall des Körpers, mit dem Abschneiden des Lebens, waren in einem verfeinerten Körper eingerichtet.

"'So, Bhikkhus, sage ich Euch dieses: Bitte, guter Herr, seit bestrebungslos. Beleibt angetan an einen angenehmen Aufenthalt im Hier-und-Jetzt, denn es ist geschickt, guter Herr, daß dieses nicht gelehrt. Weist anderen nicht ein.'

"Als dieses gesagt war, sagte ich zu Mara, dem Bösen: 'Ich kenne Euch, Böser. Nehmt nicht an: "Er kennt mich nicht." Ihr seid Mara, Böser. Und es ist nicht Anteilnahme an Fürsorge warum Ihr so zu mir sprecht. Es ist Anteilnahme an dem was nicht Fürsorge ist, daß Ihr so zu mir sprecht. Ihr denkt dieses, Böser: "Jene, die denen Gotama, der Besinnliche das Dhamma lehren wird, werden meiner Überlegenheit standhalten." Ohne rechtens Selbsterwacht zu sein, Böser, behaupten Eure Besinnlichen und Brahmanen rechtens Selbsterwacht zu sein. Ich, jedoch, rechtens Selbsterwacht seiend, behaupte rechtens Selbsterwacht zu sein. Denn wenn der Tathagata das Dhamma seinen Schülern lehrt, ist er So. Wenn er das Dhamma seinen Schülern nicht lehrt, ist er So. Wenn er seine Schüler führt, ist er So. Wenn er seine Schüler nicht führt, ist er So. Warum das? Die Gärungen die trüben, die zu weiterem Werden führen, die stören, die im Streß reifen, die zu weiterem Werden, Altern und Tod neigen: Jene hat der Tathagata abgelegt, deren Wurzeln zerstört, wie eine entwurzelte Palmyrapalme, der Bedingungen des Entwickelns entzogen, für weiteres Aufkommen nicht vorgesehen. Gerade so wie eine Palmyrapalme, mit ihrer Krone abgeschnitten, unfähig ist wieder zu wachsen, eben so, sind die trübenden Gärungen, die zu weiterem Werden führen, die stören, die in Streß reifen, die zu weiterer Geburt, Altern und Tod neigen: Jene hat der Tathagata abgelegt, deren Wurzeln zerstört, wie eine entwurzelte Palmyrapalme, der Bedingungen des Entwickelns entzogen, für weiteres Aufkommen nicht vorgesehen.'"

Daher, wegen dem zum Schweigen bringen von Mara, und wegen des Brahmas Einladung, wird diese Lehrrede "Die Brahma-Einladung" genannt.


..."Then Mara, the Evil One, taking possession of an attendant of the Brahma assembly, said to me, 'If, good sir, this is what you discern, if this is what you have awakened to, do not lead (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Do not teach the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Do not yearn for (lay) disciples or those gone forth. There were, good sir, before your time, brahmans & contemplatives in the world who claimed to be worthy & rightly self-awakened. They led (lay) disciples & those gone forth. They taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples & those gone forth. They yearned for (lay) disciples & those gone forth. Having led (lay) disciples & those gone forth, having taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples & those gone forth, having yearned for (lay) disciples & those gone forth, they — on the break-up of the body, with the cutting off of life — were established in a coarse body.

"'There were, good sir, before your time, brahmans & contemplatives in the world who claimed to be worthy & rightly self-awakened. They did not lead (lay) disciples or those gone forth. They did not teach the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth. They did not yearn for (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Having not led (lay) disciples or those gone forth, having not taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth, having not yearned for (lay) disciples or those gone forth, they — on the break-up of the body, with the cutting off of life — were established in a refined body.

"'So, monk, I tell you this: Please, good sir, be effortless. Abide committed to a pleasant abiding in the here-&-now — for it is skillful, good sir, that this not be taught. Don't instruct others.'

"When this was said, I told Mara the Evil One, 'I know you, Evil One. Don't assume, "He doesn't know me." You are Mara, Evil One. And it's not sympathetic to welfare that you speak thus to me. It's sympathetic to what is not welfare that you speak thus to me. You think this, Evil One: "Those to whom Gotama the contemplative will teach the Dhamma will defy my sovereignty. Without being rightly self-awakened, Evil One, your contemplatives & brahmans claimed to be rightly self-awakened. I, however, being rightly self-awakened claim to be rightly self-awakened. For when the Tathagata is teaching the Dhamma to his disciples, he is Such. When he is not teaching the Dhamma to his disciples, he is Such. When leading his disciples he is Such. When not leading his disciples he is Such. Why is that? The fermentations that defile, that lead to further becoming, that disturb, that ripen in stress, that tend to future birth, aging, & death: Those the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, like an uprooted palmyra tree, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Just as a palmyra tree with its crown cut off is incapable of growing again; so, too, the fermentations that defile, that lead to further becoming, that disturb, that ripen in stress, that tend to future birth, aging, & death: Those the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, like an uprooted palmyra tree, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising.'"

Thus, because of the silencing of Mara, and because of the brahma's invitation, this discourse is entitled, "The Brahma Invitation."
Quote from: Brahma-nimantanika Sutta english , deutsch
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