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Author Topic: "Böse Ansichten" und Hölle - "Evil views" & Hell - niyata-micchāditthi  (Read 1863 times)

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Quote from: Commentar to Sn 2.1
Abhithanani; i. matricide, ii. patricide, iii. the murder of arahants (the Consummate Ones), iv. the shedding of the Buddha's blood, v. causing schism in the Sangha, and vi. pernicious false beliefs (niyata micca ditthi).

Quote from: Manual of Buddhist Terms and Doctrines, by Ven. Nyanatiloka
The so-called 'evil views with fixed destiny' (niyata-micchāditthi) constituting the last of the 10 unwholesome courses of action (kammapatha), are the following three:

    (1) the fatalistic 'view of the uncaused ness' of existence (ahetukaditthi),

    (2) the view of the inefficacy of action' (akiriyaditthi),

    (3) nihilism (natthikaditthi).


 
    (1) was taught by Makkhali-Gosāla, a contemporary of the Buddha who denied every cause for the corruptness and purity of beings, and asserted that everything is minutely predestined by fate.

    (2) was taught by Pūrana-Kassapa, another contemporary of the Buddha who denied every karmical effect of good and bad actions: "To him who kills, steals, robs, etc., nothing bad will happen. For generosity, self-restraint and truthfulness, etc. no reward is to be expected."

    (3) was taught by Ajita-Kesakambali, a third contemporary of the Buddha who asserted that any belief in good action and its reward is a mere delusion, that after death no further life would follow, that man at death would become dissolved into the elements, etc.


Table I - Consciousness-States (viññāna kkhandha)
karmic unwholesome (akusala), Rooted in attachment (lobha):

22. accompanied by joy, associated with wrong view, unprompted
23. accompanied by joy, associated with wrong view, prompted

24. accompanied by joy, dissociated with wrong view, unprompted
25. accompanied by joy, dissociated with wrong view, prompted
26. accompanied by indifference, associated with wrong view, unprompted
27. accompanied by indifference, associated with wrong view, prompted

28. accompanied by indifference, dissociated with wrong view, unprompted
29.accompanied by indifference, dissociated with wrong view, prompted


 
Quote from: Kommentar aus Sn 2.1
Abhithanani; i. Muttermord, ii. Vatermord, iii. Mörder eines Arahats (der Vollendete), iv. das Vergießen des Bluts Buddhas, v. Spaltung in der Sangha, und vi. verderblicher falscher Glaube (niyata micca ditthi).

Quote from: Manual of Buddhist Terms and Doctrines, vom Ehrw. Nyanatiloka
Die sogenannte 'böse Ansicht, mit fixem Bestimmungsort' (niyata-micchāditthi), das letzte der 10 unheilsamen Abläufe von Handlungen (kammapatha) seiend, besteht aus folgenden Drei:

    (1) Fatalismus 'Glaube an Nichtbedingtheit' der Existenz (ahetukaditthi),

    (2) die 'Ansicht der Wirkungslosigkeit von Handlungen' (akiriyaditthi),

    (3) Nihilism (natthikaditthi).


 
    (1) wurde von Makkhali-Gosāla gelehrt, ein Gegenspieler von Buddha, der jeden Grund für Korruptheit und Reinheit von Lebewesen verneinte, und annahm, daß alles genau durch Schicksal vorbestimmt ist.

    (2) wurde von Pūrana-Kassapa gelehrt, ein weiterer Gegenspieler von Buddha, der jede kammische Wirkung von guten und schlechten Handlungen verneinte: "Ihm, der tötet, stiehlt, raubt, usw, wird nicht schlechtes passieren. Für Großzügigkeit, Selbstbeherrschung und Wahrheitsliebe, usw, sind keine Gewinne zu erwarten."

    (3) wurde von Ajita-Kesakambali gelehrt, ein dritter Gegenspieler des Buddhas, der behauptete, daß der Glaube an gute Handlungen und seine Gewinne, bloße Verwirrung ist, das nach dem Tod kein weiteres Leben folgen würde, das Menschen nach dem Tod sich in die Elemente auflösen, usw.


Tabelle I - Bewußtseinszustände (viññāna khandha)
kammisch unheilsam (akusala), verwurzelt in Anhaftung (lobha):

22. begleitet von Erfreuen, verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, spontan
23. begleitet von Erfreuen, verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, veranlaßt

24. begleitet von Erfreuen, nicht verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, spontan
25. begleitet von Erfreuen, verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, veranlaßt
26. begleitet von Gleichmut, verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, spontan
27. begleitet von Gleichmut, verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, veranlaßt

28. begleitet von Gleichmut, nicht verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, spontan
29. begleitet von Gleichmut, nicht verbunden mit falscher Ansicht, veranlaßt

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Soweit Atma diese mit der hier klassischen Einteilung des Abhidhammas in Verbindung bringen kann, sind Bewußstseinszustand 23 und 27 in Verbindung mit den Abhithanani der Spaltung von der Sangha und der verdreblichen Ansicht, sprich dieses sind unterhaltend und "bewußt" angeregte Zustände, wohingegen die ersten vier fatal unheilsamen Taten spontaner Art sein können, und meist, aber nicht ausschließlich mit dem Geisteszustand 22 und 26 in Verbindung stehen.

Verderbliche falsche Ansicht, ist eine fatale (im Sinne von unausweichlicher Auswirkung) Sache und eine sehr verbreitete Angelegenheit in der moderen Welt, aber hat auch sehr viel Potenzial in diversen buddhistische bezeichneten Aufwartungen.

Allgemeine moderene Ansicht, und Verbreitete Anschauungen:

  • der modernen Menschen, ist, daß sie da sind, genießen, und am Ende, mit dem Tod, nichts mehr ist. Der klassische Materialistische Glaube.
  • Selbstmord als Lösung, Erlösung, als Alternative, ist solch eine fatale Denkweise, auch daß einfach dahinvegedieren, in diesem Sinne wie etwas sich den Hungertod hingeben.
  • Dem Leiden entkommen zu wollen, und sich nach dem Ende im Tod sehnend, sich an einem Ende, daß man mit dem Tod glaubt, zu erfreuen. Andere Wesen, wenn man an Strebehilfe denkt, glaubend, daß für Sie dann ein Ende des Leidens, Existenz zu ende ist, zu töten...


Das alles sind verderbliche Handlungen, Handlungen die sicher in die Hölle führen.

Wenn man dahingegen eine oft verbreitete Ansicht her nimmt, daß christlicher Glaube, ein fataler ist, mag man sich irren, so ein gewisses Maß, erstens an Konsequenzen von guten und schlechten Taten da ist, Bedingtheit, und das da gewisser Massen ein Leben nach dem Tod ist. Die Unterscheidung liegt hier ja "nur" im Glauben, daß das Urteil durch eine externe Macht gefällt wird, nicht aber im Verneinen der Bedingtheit generell. Und auch ist da keine Gedanke, nach dem Tod ist prinzipiell alles zu Ende. So kann ein christlicher, muslimischer, hinduistischer, und andere Glaubensrichtungen der Volksreligionen, in himmelreiche und Gefilde führen, wohingegen auf Haushaltsgleichmut, Gleichmut ohne Einsicht, passierender Glaube, welche durch Abhidhamma-Verwirrungen leicht entstehen, oder wenn Leuten Leerheit oder Anatta in falscher Weise erklärt wird, wie etwa unverstandenes "Da ist kein Täter, keiner der die Früchte von Taten empfängt", mit guer Sicherheit in den Rahmen von Nihilismus und damit fataler Fehlansicht und Hölle führt.
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A discussion in relation to common believes of to impact of deeds

Quote from: Upaska Chris on Thought or intention is always karma?
Kamma is defined as "action" or as "intentional action" or "a deed done deliberately", not "thought".

 
 
 
  So in no way an intention become kamma? – Heisenberg 2 days ago 
 
 
  I edited the answer to try to address your comment. – ChrisW♦ 2 days ago 
  Intention is kamma (is means that it lead automatically), no intention no deed, no intention no deed, no deed no intention. Call it mana (like in Dhp), cetana, or what ever. It's just the try to give certain areas of acting out of one own responsibility out of ones on caused causes. And its not hard to say, its hard to trust the words of the Buddha first, before seeing one self. Sankappo has view as cause. If a view is intended its at least not samma and has not nibbana as object. Its not possible to intend something and make something different (in measures of cause and effects) – Samana Johann yesterday                                 
 
 
  @SamanaJohann Please correct me if I'm wrong or can make this answer better, but so far as I can see what you wrote in your comment doesn't contradict what I wrote in my answer, and doesn't suggest any specific edit that I should make to this answer to make it clearer or less wrong. – ChrisW♦ 18 hours ago 
  What about starting the answer with "That's "just" my opinion and might lack of references..." or something like that, rather than: Kamma is defined as "action" or as "intentional action" or "a deed done deliberately", not "thought". That you would either sleep not well and would not get the results of your thought, but just some points for idle talk. Or let me ask, what did you intent or what did you thought that this came into being? – Samana Johann 12 hours ago                                 
  (pointed with reference to the meta answer of yours and AN1.130-139 Samana Johann 12 hours ago                               
 
 
  @SamanaJohann I hope I usually write, "I think that etc." when I'm not sure; but when I wrote the first sentence, "Kamma is defined as etc.", I thought that was a statement of fact not just opinion ... the sentence I wrote includes hyperlinks to three references (two in Access to Insight, and one in Wikipedia) where the word kamma is more-or-less given those definitions and/or translated that way. – ChrisW♦ 12 hours ago   
 
 
  The Buddha says clearly (according to AN 6.63 ‌​: "Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech, & intellect." (That is actually the first quote in the first cited article on Kamma ) Apart from that I think the answer contains enough "I think" and "maybe" to not be actually misleading, and I think the surrounding reasoning and explaining is, although a bit wordy and indefinite, not really bad. – Anonymous Ape 8 hours ago   
 
 
  , and which is possibly a main special point in the Buddha's definition of "kamma" (which I think, literally in Pali means just "action", but has also the moral/spiritual connotations that we understand and assume now when talking about karma - but the Buddha was explicit that the real root and moral significant for experienced later results is intention, as opposed to some other sects' and religions' opinions at that time; and that was the reason for the Buddha's "hijacking" that word and and shifting its scope in the moral/spiritual context, saying "it is intention that I define as kamma") – Anonymous Ape 8 hours ago 
 
 
  @AnonymousApe I suppose that's saying that intention is a type of action or moral action, that intention has an effect, that it is e.g. a decision with a consequence? Is there a clearer way to answer the OP's question, which was asking about "intention alone" and "intention without action" and "thoughts of good deeds without engaging in physical activity"? – ChrisW♦ 7 hours ago 
 
 
  Also is, "Intention is kamma", the only way to understand that phrase? "Cetanāhaṃ, bhikkhave, kammaṃ vadāmi." ... the literal translation is, "intention, bikkhus, kamma I say", isn't it? Do you know what "is", or exactly what kind of "is", is implied in that sentence? There's a relationship between the two (e.g. perhaps not one without the other), but I not sure they're identical/synonyms, which an too-literal or extreme version of "is" might imply. – ChrisW♦ 7 hours ago   
  dhp "Manopubbaṅgamā dhammā manoseṭṭhā manomayā" Mana (heart, mind), AN 6.63 "Cetanāhaṃ bhikkhave kammaṃ vadāmi, cetayitvā kammaṃ karoti kāyena vācāya manasā" (intention, tending, resolving up the the grade of being aware). Not knowing is not "bad", but its akusala, there are no such as bad actions or people. Writing something comes from mental verbalization which has a lot of effort after just short intentions. And of this two abhidhamma def.:"22. accompanied by joy, associated with wrong view, unprompted 23. accompanied by joy, associated with wrong view, prompted" its merely the later. – Samana Johann 7 hours ago                               
  This view is what you called Mohayana "might be the belief that actions have no consequences (and maybe that therefore nothing matters)", although a creative one for akiriyaditthi its actually like that, yes. And others like you thought of Nihillism, which has nothing to do with determined of the Jains, Buddhas approach is all about actions and not in between, just set in the right way. Since it is the denying of "intention", "purpose" that we talk since a longer here, its important to get that "niyata-micchāditthi" erased or weakened, Upasaka. Btw. nice to see U. Chris and AA meet each other. – Samana Johann 7 hours ago                               
  "Given that things happen as a result of "conditions" - conditions of mind, as Dhp told. One should not think that there is something mystic or outwardly which give place to excuses. Its the "unseen" try to keep this "but I had a good intention" excuses valid. That is the condition to seek for endless ways to reformulate things and hold on sanna-khandhas. A nice short talk about it Comfortable with the Truth shared by a kalyanamitta for many. – Samana Johann 7 hours ago                                 
  Maybe useful for those who seeking for a word for thinking: palikanon.com/english/sangaha/chapter_2.htm look for vittaka (Vi +  takk, to think. ) "In the Sutta Pitaka it has been employed in the sense of notions, ideas, thoughts, reasoning etc. In the Abhidhamma it is used in a specific technical sense. ....When vitakka is present in the Supra mundane Path Consciousness (lokuttara magga citta) it is termed sammā sankappa (Right Thoughts) because it eliminates wrong thoughts and applies the mind to Nibbāna." – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                                 
  But dont get lost in this dry abhidhamma, that what you investigate right here in action, when you look at your heart open and honest, that is where abhidhamma is seen and would you not feed to be caught. – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                               
 
 
  @ChrisW:  > "Intention is kamma", the only way to understand that phrase? "_Cetanā_haṃ, bhikkhave, kammaṃ vadāmi." ... the literal translation is, "intention, bikkhus, kamma I say", isn't it? Do you know what "is", or exactly what kind of "is", is implied in that sentence?  No, I don't know, and I had not actually kept this in mind and don't know about Pali grammar. But I would have probably assumed the relation you suggest  > (e.g. perhaps not one without the other)  , and that there actually is no "intention alone", no intention without any effect. – Anonymous Ape 6 hours ago   
 
 
  > Is there a clearer way to answer the OP's question,  I don't know. I have tried to give my answer according to how I understood the question and its possible misunderstanding. I think it is good to have a variety of answers with some comments on them that can maybe in the end more helpful than some perfectly revised answer. – Anonymous Ape 6 hours ago 
 
 
  @Samana Johann: Bhante, I don't understand your comments about niyata- or akiriyaditthi (I don't know what is what). Do you mean that most of this chatting here happens much with niyata- or akiriyamicchaditthi? With believing that actions have no results? I think in this moment they will have results which might be confusing. I am already confused.  But I have to go to sleep now. I should spend less time on internet and trying to formulate correctly.  Thank you for trying to nudge maybe to samma sankappa. My sankappa is I think a bit confused. – Anonymous Ape 5 hours ago   
  Yes, that is why meaningless talk on certain levels is one of the four kinds of wrong speech and one of the 10 unholsesome deeds. And these divide in 30, by "Accepting = instigate = donig by one self and to abstain not accept is a matter of wrong views reject . And niyata- or akiriyaditthi is prompted wrong view, one can sag when telling even lying and this leads gross micca ditthi leads to hell. That is why one should not make a livelihood (maintain his existenc) in teaching Dhamma – Samana Johann 26 mins ago                               
  "Evil views" & Hell - niyata-micchāditthi . So people who maintain a pleasant time by exchanging there opinions near idle talk and misleading the truth do have a real problem with their 1. their thought and 2. with to purpose they use them for a gain and that leads to bad destination, weather one is aware or not. Even more hurtful when one realizes "ohh I was wrong, now I wrote that here and there. People will read it, fall into the pitfall... and that is why people never leave such places, since the simply fight to avoid there mass an mistakes – Samana Johann 20 mins ago                               
  And once they see it, what was done, they start either to delete all, or to try to escape, how ever they do not sleep well and tomorrow they need to come again, but not because of the pleasure to work and make Dana, but to try to keep the denying of the impact of thoughts, intentions ideas... possible. That is why it is impossible to get really benefit form an environment like here, because independent and wise people are missing or need to let go of their virtue, giving bad samples in this way of damage them self. In this way I tell you Misters again, seek for that what is not in line norm. – Samana Johann 15 mins ago                               
  Upasaka Chris is very similar to Upasaka AA in his virtues & as obligated & canny & farseeing as you but has still a stronger tendency to the world & when ever he leaves the place of a servant of the gems and serves the world and things like here, he steps on a place where he does not good for him self & for others. Many people think it is not proper that the merit. deed "serving" is classified as under sila & not under dana as one would think, but that is the reason why. Its the save way to simply serve the gems and indep. teacher as much as possible either then try to walk the Bud. 2.0 way. – Samana Johann 1 min ago

The next strong miccha ditthi disussion "To intention is kamma":

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That's the wrong attitude. Whether it's good karma or bad karma it's still karma. A buddha leaves no footprints. Some people also throw around the term "middle-way". Same thing. Buddhism is not about doing good. When you see those things it's really just a beginner's trick to create enough balance to progress.

Thought doesn't come into it because true selfless action is void of thought.

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  So you think one could reach anything without actions? The Buddha did not taught such and that Buddhism is not about doing good, is sure a news. But maybe we need to be more advanced to understand that. Many people act thoughtless, of cause. But I would doubt if that could be called even on the way, Mr/Mrs Cameron. – Samana Johann 12 hours ago                               
 
 
  A pure mind is unborn. Unborn of thought, and therefore unborn of good/bad. Of course there are thoughts, but you are not them. Good/bad, happy/unhappy, they're all just thoughts or ideas. There are 2 sides of the coin for everything, but that coin isn't real. It's just an idea. An idea that differs depending on what perspective you want to take. Normal life is when you are one side of the coin or the other. Nirvana is when you are outside of the coin, merely looking at it. This is no different than your mind right now. – Cameron 7 hours ago 
  But as we know, the pure mind is unknown to a ordinary run-a-mill-person and to dream about having a pure mind is as less as what the Buddha taught as perceptions of nibbana, but simply the path to it and this path is paved by good actions/intentions and this is called Buddhism. To call this idea or that of some perceptions Buddhism is merely useless for everybody. Do you think that either the questioner nor you have gone beyond good and bad while still living next a refrigerator and hold on 1001 things? – Samana Johann 7 hours ago                                 
  One might sit Aeon next to it when thinking everything is fine, Mr/Mrs Cameron. Its not the time to give up the boot, which is of cause not the aim but needed to cross the further offshore. And there than it is proper to say there is no good or bad and take Buddhism aside. – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                               
 
 
  It's really not that hard. You can sit here and hear a dog barking outside without even such a thought of what it actually is. It arises in pure mind which is no different than your mind right now. Once you get your foot in the door by realising it's nothing special THEN you can start to dwell in it more and more until it takes over completely. Good deeds have nothing to do with it. – Cameron 6 hours ago 
  O yes... That is why this kind of approach is useless, when normal people listen to high teachings...The Lost Wallet  It's as if you leave home and lose your wallet. It fell out of your pocket onto the road away back there, but as long as you don't realize what happened you're at ease — at ease because you don't yet know what this ease is for. It's for the sake of dis-ease at a later time. When you eventually see that you've really lost your money: That's when you feel dis-ease — when it's right in your face. – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                               
  The same holds true with our bad and good actions. The Buddha taught us to acquaint ourselves with these things. If we aren't acquainted with these things, we'll have no sense of right or wrong, good or bad." To put it into the words of a teacher who speaks Zen as well But even better you stay simply by the Buddha who never taught such a dullness path. – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                               
  Can you do that "not so hard" when eating salt? Can you eat a cup of salt? You know, Mr/Mrs Cameron, Dhamma is not just about talking. – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                                 
  And regard of the middle of the middle this would be useful to understand the middle taught by the Buddha: The Middles of the Middle Way . From the simple steps till the highest. – Samana Johann 6 hours ago                               
 
 
  Enlightenment or no enlightenment, wallets will be lost. Refinement happens when you feel the dis-ease. In a way it's a blessing. If you are residing in the unborn mind then it just eats it all up and dissolves. Please don't consider this a "high teaching". You can find it also. Anyone can. It just takes a bit of getting to know yourself. Don't put it off until you're more high level because that time will never come. The matter can be resolved by anyone, right now. – Cameron 6 hours ago 
 
 
  That middle way article is exactly my point and it would serve you well to actually understand it. – Cameron 6 hours ago 
  Where are you Cameron? And what would the Buddha teach you where you are? One does only see what one likes to see, yet forgetting where one is. And one is really in problems when taking the leaves as hard wood. But once people have been missleaded they are seldom to save and that is why the Buddhas only hard battles have been against people who teach such ways. If Cameron likes to understand more, he is welcome here: "Evil views" & Hell - niyata-micchāditthi Samana Johann just now
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January 18, 2018, 05:06:38 AM
..wäre es nicht passend "Gestehen" anzunehmen, selbes Ups habend. Jedoch ist es in dem Fall ja noch gut gegangen und daher Grund für gemeinsames "gerade noch" und Mudita. Gut das gewisse Verbindungen und Wahrnehmen nicht abreißt (reißen kann) und absehbar passiert.
 

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January 18, 2018, 05:02:41 AM
Atma war, aus irgend einem Grund, fest überzeugt, das gestern Uposatha sein sollte, trotzdem er am Almosengang gar Laien in Wat ziehen sah (denkend, gut auch heute an punna teilzunehmen). Selbigem Thema gegegnend, sah Atma nach und mußte feststellen, das bereits der 16. war. So zu diesem Ausmaß (
 

Moritz

January 17, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
 

Johann

January 17, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
Und gestern? Übersehen, oder verdienstvoll?
 

Sophorn

January 09, 2018, 07:48:37 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
sadhu. anumodana.
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

January 09, 2018, 01:51:15 AM
Sadhu! Anumodana!
 

Marcel

January 09, 2018, 01:39:30 AM
 :-*allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha :-*
 

Johann

January 03, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
ធម្មតា ញោម។ Dhammatā, Ñoma.
 

Marcel

January 03, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
 :-* បាទ :-*  អរគុណ :-*  ខ្ញុំសុខសបាយជាទទអរគុណ  :-* ehrwürdiger bhante, ja mir geht es gut! ich hab mich er-holt!  wie geht es ihnen?  :-*
 

Johann

January 03, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
Marcel. Er- oder besser vielleicht Entholt und Verdaut?
 

Marcel

January 03, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Chanroth

January 02, 2018, 04:59:02 AM
សាធុសាធុ :-*
 

Johann

January 01, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Sokh chomreuon, Nyom.
 

Chanroth

January 01, 2018, 12:36:03 PM
 :-* :-* :-*Karuna tvay bongkum
 

Johann

January 01, 2018, 12:42:33 AM
Einen freidvollen und erkenntnisreichen Vollmond Uposatha, am ersten Tag des Jahres.
 

Johann

December 31, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
Also hier spricht man nun schon von Wiedergeburt 2018.
 

Maria

December 30, 2017, 10:19:57 AM
Danke, wird weitergegeben und ebenfalls die besten Wünsche retour
 

Johann

December 30, 2017, 10:12:19 AM
Beste Wünsche und Grüße in den Kreis der Familien, Freunde und Lieben und möge man viel Zeit mit den Älteren, guten Gönnern und Weisen verbringen, sich nicht zu sehr Panalem hingeben.
 

Maria

December 30, 2017, 10:09:05 AM
Zeichen davor ist leider unpassend.
 

Maria

December 30, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
 :-*Werter Bhante
 

Johann

December 30, 2017, 10:04:46 AM
Njom Maria.
 

Johann

December 23, 2017, 01:56:19 PM
Funtioniert hier gut, Nyom Sophorn
 

Sophorn

December 23, 2017, 01:35:54 PM
 :-* :-* :-*
Karuna tvay bongkum
kana ist aufgefallen, dass die Bilder sich schlecht runterladen lassen. Hat das mit dem Server zu tun oder doch eine Störung hier in Ö? :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

December 23, 2017, 12:01:30 PM
មើលនិងចែករំលែកដោយខ្លួនអ្នកនៅពេលក្រោយ
http://sangham.net/index.php?topic=8304.new#new
 

Johann

December 23, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
បាន ណោម
 

Chanroth

December 23, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
 :-*តើព្រះតេជគុណបានទទួលEmailខ្ញុំកណាឬនៅ
 

Johann

December 23, 2017, 11:34:31 AM
ពិតប្រាកដបានបាត់ឬអត់? ហេតុអ្វីបានជាការកាន់និងការចិញ្ចឹម?
 

Johann

December 23, 2017, 11:29:29 AM
ប្រាកដ? ហើយវាយូរអង្វែង? ហើយ​ឥឡូវនេះ? មើលដោយអត់ធ្មត់!
 

Chanroth

December 23, 2017, 07:56:49 AM
អកុសល​បានកើតឡើងចំពោះខ្ញុំហើយ
 

Johann

December 22, 2017, 01:46:31 PM
Sadhu! Nyom Chanroth.
Mudita!
 

Chanroth

December 22, 2017, 03:01:50 AM
ខ្ញុំបាននាំ marvel មកដល់កំពង់ស្ពឺហើយ :-*
 

Chanroth

December 22, 2017, 02:59:59 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

December 18, 2017, 01:16:46 PM
Wird wohl schon sehr Weihnachtsstreß sein, oder Guest?
 

Johann

December 01, 2017, 11:19:47 AM
ចូលបន្ទប់ ព្រះត្រៃបិដកភាសាខ្មែរ . ផ្នែកខាងឆ្វេងមាន
 

Chanroth

December 01, 2017, 05:31:53 AM
ខ្ញុំកណារកមិនឃើញ កន្លែងមហាវគ្គទេសូមជួយប្រាប់កណាផង :-*
 

Chanroth

December 01, 2017, 05:29:34 AM
 :-* :-* :-* ខ្ញុំកណាសូមអគុណ
 

Johann

November 30, 2017, 10:49:09 AM
ពាក្យ "ញោម "។ ឣត្ថន័យ (អថន័យ!) មិនពិតប្រាកដ សំរាប់ អាត្ម។
 

Johann

November 30, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Ñoma Chanroth.
 

Chanroth

November 30, 2017, 08:44:19 AM
ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំមលោកម្ចាស់ Johann :-* :-* :-*
 

Chanroth

November 30, 2017, 08:40:12 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

November 26, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
Sadhu! Nyom Marcel.
 

Marcel

November 25, 2017, 10:59:50 PM
 :-* einen verdienstvollen uposatha allen  :-*
 

Marcel

November 15, 2017, 10:28:45 AM
 :-* ehrwürdiger samana johann  :-*
 

Johann

November 15, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Nyom Marcel.
 

Sophorn

November 10, 2017, 09:42:54 PM
 :-* :-* :-*
Versucht mit laptop einzuloggen, aber die Updates ziehen sich dahin...
Möge der heutige Uposatha ein Tag der Erkenntnis und des Segens sein.
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Marcel

October 31, 2017, 05:36:49 AM
 :-*ehrwürdiger samana johann :-* ich hoffe, es geht ihnen gut und die dhamma-praxis schreitet vorran!
 

Johann

October 30, 2017, 01:48:18 AM
Nyom Sophorn.
 

Maria

October 25, 2017, 05:08:34 PM
Danke geht allen gut. Werther Bhante hoffentlich auch ?
 

Johann

October 25, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
Maria.
Familie und Freunden geht es gut? Nyom Maria selbst wohl auf, gesund?
 

Johann

October 19, 2017, 02:41:38 PM
Wenn jemand über das Layout des Entwurfes blicken möchte, ob es im eigenen Browser paßt und übersichtlich ist: Wisdom

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