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Like when enter or join, a shrine, another's sphere, or back: good for greating, bye, veneration, short talks, quick help. Some infos on regards .


2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Religionwars - in regard of what or whom are you loyal?
« on: December 07, 2016, 08:45:00 PM »

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Dieses neue Thema wurde  aus abgetrennten Beiträgen, ursprünglich in Wem oder was gegenüber sind Sie loyal?- In regard of what or whom are you loyal? ,  hier zu einem neuen eröffnen. Für ev. ergänzende Informationen zur Herkunft, sehen Sie bitte das Ursprugsthema ein. Anumodana!

The new topic here is made from one or more post from there Wem oder was gegenüber sind Sie loyal?- In regard of what or whom are you loyal? . For eventual additionally information to this new Topic, please visit also the Topic of origin. Anumodana!

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Guest,

Im Bezug auf was könnten Sie behaupten loyal zu sein? Wem gegenüber sind Sie loyal? Wie weit geht Ihre Loyalität? Wo endet und wie Sie?



Guest,

In regard of what are you able to claim being loyal? Whom are you loyal to? How far goes your loyalty? Where and how does it end?


I am not sure about the question meaning. However I will try to answer.
 
I am a ancient cylon mahavihara theravada buddhist.

I am loyal to Tipitaka+Atthakathā+Tika+Tipitakādhara+Jhānika+Balava Vipassanika, such as Bhikkhus in Pa-Auk Monastery.

My loyalty is in my mind and my computer (CSCD Tipitaka Atthakatha Tika). For my bhikkhus, they living in burmar at pa-auk monastery and in thailand, at pa-auk monastery Angthong.

I understand tipitaka before I know them, so I have not much learn from Pa-Auk (for now). I loyal them because  pa-auk's bhikkhus do/know/live like I know from tipitaka, atthakatha, and tika.


Another teacher that I "have been" loyal before have many teacher over to say.

I have not finish to loyal their  awesome point, that like bikkhus in tipitaka should do; but I finish my relationship with them because they do/think out of tipitaka/atthakatha/tika and their doing/thinking also wrong from the Truth.

Nothing to say about thai's bhikkhus. They felled out since 100 years ago that Europe's learning style  came to thailand.  They ignore the old tradition and learn by Europe's learning style. Since that time, thailand bikkhus take a new low quality, until nowadays.

Note:

I have beginning to study tipitaka in 2003 to find out "How to do vipassana".

I understand vipassana method in tipitaka about 2011.

I found pa-auk in 2012, from thaiand's pitakāthara (the only one thailand's pitakāthara).


My previous teacher: Thānathāna (nickname on internet of him in pantip.com),  bh.Jārun Thitadhammo, k.Sujin Bariharnvaṇṇaket, k. Nab Mahanīranon, bh. Sombat Nandiko, bh. Sumon Nandiko, bh. Santi Uttamapuñño.

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But if you meaning to the king, I love him because he making buddhism in thailand strong.
Great and detail Answer, its right on topic Upasak theY . Two thinks come to my mind I would like to ask. The fist much on a very subtle, Abhidhamma or Vipassana level: Is it realky so that you are loyal in regard of them and their ways, or are you loyal about you ideas and perceptions (sannja) about them and their ways?

The secound, literaric and intelectuall solve able, but challengig the first imidiatly if the wrong: Does your opinion not contradict The Tipitaka at the first place thinking on Mahaparanibbana sutta, since the Buddha declared, that such kind of loyality is not proper to keep his message in good conditions?

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

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7. And there the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Now, bhikkhus, I shall make known to you the four great references. [37] Listen and pay heed to my words." And those bhikkhus answered, saying:

"So be it, Lord."

8-11. Then the Blessed One said: "In this fashion, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu might speak: 'Face to face with the Blessed One, brethren, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation'; or: 'In an abode of such and such a name lives a community with elders and a chief. Face to face with that community, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation'; or: 'In an abode of such and such a name live several bhikkhus who are elders, who are learned, who have accomplished their course, who are preservers of the Dhamma, the Discipline, and the Summaries. Face to face with those elders, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation'; or: 'In an abode of such and such a name lives a single bhikkhu who is an elder, who is learned, who has accomplished his course, who is a preserver of the Dhamma, the Discipline, and the Summaries. Face to face with that elder, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation.'

"In such a case, bhikkhus, the declaration of such a bhikkhu is neither to be received with approval nor with scorn. Without approval and without scorn, but carefully studying the sentences word by word, one should trace them in the Discourses and verify them by the Discipline. If they are neither traceable in the Discourses nor verifiable by the Discipline, one must conclude thus: 'Certainly, this is not the Blessed One's utterance; this has been misunderstood by that bhikkhu — or by that community, or by those elders, or by that elder.' In that way, bhikkhus, you should reject it. But if the sentences concerned are traceable in the Discourses and verifiable by the Discipline, then one must conclude thus: 'Certainly, this is the Blessed One's utterance; this has been well understood by that bhikkhu — or by that community, or by those elders, or by that elder.' And in that way, bhikkhus, you may accept it on the first, second, third, or fourth reference. These, bhikkhus, are the four great references for you to preserve."

And to the later Monk who gave a king a lot off answers in this regard.

Whouldn't it not be better to be just loyal to the Buddha and his Dhamma? Letting it open and prouf it step by step by simply practicing the Path rather to hold Ditthi which is actually on hindrance, a big one? What about going the way to awakening, following the Buddha as Loyality? Or for what purpose do you choose such a loyality, what do you aspect with it, where should it lead you so that you hold on it as worthy reality? Atma does not think you would like to give your loyality to something what is not real and leastig, dukkha and not worth being called I and to fight for, or?
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 01:33:15 AM »
For 1st. I loyal in mahavihara-thera who have learn tipitaka by buddha's way and sariputta's way. We have a clear history of tipitaka and commentary that western haven't learned. I loyal in old fashion learning system that being on tipitaka. Because I wanna know tipitaka as it is. I don't wanna know it by analysis of another person.

Then I can analysis tipitaka myself, when I known it as it really is.

But if I try to know mahavihara tipitaka by western learning method, I will have many mistake understanding in mahavihara tipitaka like the western still doing it nowadays. How can I trust person, who can not understand abhidhamma and read it's pali texts, who trying to tell me "abhidhamma is not buddha's teaching", "commentary is a Realm". They haven't learn any abhidhamma or any commentary in pali. Why they are so confidence "I am right, abhidhamma or commentary is just Realm". 

You can not actually understand someone by another mouth, even by his/her mouth. You must  think like their thinking to know what they are. Then you can analysis them about false or true,etc. by yourself. How to think like them? Just learn like them, live like them, see what they see, etc.

But you are not Johann. You are so far away from mahavihara tipitaka. You are just a zenist. You cut tipitaka off by yourself or by your teacher's advice that is not the way of mahavihara. Mahavihara strongly deinied adding in or pulling off  buddha's texts. This is why they call themselves "theravada".

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 01:57:05 AM »
For 2nd.

Theravada strongly deinied adding in or pulling off  buddha's texts. This is why they call themselves "theravada".

So the quote of mahapadesa that you have given me can't change anything because commentary and abhidhamma never  adding in or pulling off  buddha's texts.

So no elder.

Vinaya bless by upali in first sangayana (=bless tipitaka together). 4 nikayas bless by Ananda. Kuddakanikaya by variant persons. Abhidhamma by sariputta's nissita. Whole tipitaka blessed in first sangayana (=bless tipitaka together) by 500 arahantas (thera). They have a dutiyakammavaca (agreement) at the first sangayana to denied adding in or pulling off buddha's texts. And buddha Certified them all while he living.

(Blessing=vada + thera=500 arahantas)=Theravada.

We have a clear history of whole tipitaka and commentary that the western never know.

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Quote from: dutiyakammavaca (agreement) at the first sangayana in vinaya cullavagga sangitikandaka
suṇātu me, āvuso, saṅghoฯ santamhākaṃ sikkhāpadāni gihigatāniฯ gihinopi jānanti – idaṃ vo samaṇānaṃ sakyaputtiyānaṃ kappati, idaṃ vo na kappatītiฯ sace mayaṃ khuddānukhuddakāni sikkhāpadāni samūhanissāma, bhavissanti vattāro – dhūmakālikaṃ samaṇena gotamena sāvakānaṃ sikkhāpadaṃ paññattaṃ ฯ yāvimesaṃ satthā aṭṭhāsi tāvime sikkhāpadesu sikkhiṃsuฯ yato imesaṃ satthā parinibbuto, na dānime sikkhāpadesu sikkhantītiฯ saṅgho appaññattaṃ nappaññapeti, paññattaṃ na samucchindati, yathāpaññattesu sikkhāpadesu samādāya vattatiฯ yassāyasmato khamati appaññattassa appaññāpanā, paññattassa asamucchedo, yathāpaññattesu sikkhāpadesu samādāya vattanā, so tuṇhassa; yassa nakkhamati, so bhāseyyaฯ
saṅgho appaññattaṃ nappaññapeti, paññattaṃ na samucchindati, yathāpaññattesu sikkhāpadesu samādāya vattatiฯ khamati saṅghassa, tasmā tuṇhī, evametaṃ dhārayāmītiฯ
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 02:09:31 AM »
For 3rd. You never loyal  buddha, Johann. You just loyal yourself and your teacher.

No one who loyal in buddha can cut upali's, ananda's, and sariputta's texts off. They have a dutiyakammavaca (agreement) at the first sangayana to denied adding in or pulling off buddha's texts. And buddha Certified them all while he living.

You are not theravada monk, Johann. You never loyal them all. You try to cut their words off anyway your daydream, in theravada tipitaka, going on.

You never read original history texts. You can't read pali. You just trust your thai or western teachers who never memorized tipitaka, never learn abhidhamma or commentary because of their prejudice. Why they can decide about abhidhamma or commentary? So they always explain  confuse/mistake texts to you, Johann.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 02:40:10 AM »
I have learn dhamma by western learning system since I was young. So don't take me back to that deceive  learning system. I have known them all long time ago. I  am also a grown man who can decide by myself "who is theravada monk?"
 

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 03:11:56 AM »
What about your thai teacher?

Thailand and srilanka have lost tipitaka learning system in colonization war.

Thailand began to lost our tipitaka learning system about 1855 and after that years (Bowring Treaty ).

The king trying to protect thailand by changing every rules of us. They also changed learning system of monk, too. They cancle memorized learning system, then took a written learning system instead.

Writing learning system is for kamaguna 5. They save memorizing times to consume kamaguna 5.

Arahanta havn't writen. They keep tipitaka in their mind.

Before that time we still having tipitakathara, such as mun bhuritutto. But after the changing, we never have tipitakathara anymore. The elder tipitakathara died. Never have any newer to be instead of them.

So your teacher is a western, although he is a thai native. Because thailand loose our tipitaka learning system so long time ago in colonization war.

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2016, 03:27:35 AM »
Why you have a brave heart to decide the truth, knowledgeless man?
You never learn what you have decided.
You have a very brave heart (with Micchaditthi) to done that decision.


Have you ever learn another theravada pitaka?
Have you ever learn tipitaka pali?
Have you ever learn commentary pali?
Have you ever learn subcommentary pali?
Have you ever learn thailand's history?
Have you ever learn tipitaka history?
Have you ever learn western history?
Have you ever learn etadagga's profile?
Have you ever learn netti?
Have you ever learn patisammbhidamagga?
Have you ever learn abhidhamma's pali?
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2016, 01:59:46 PM »
Why you have a brave heart to decide the truth, knowledgeless man?
You never learn what you have decided.
You have a very brave heart (with Micchaditthi) to done that decision.


Have you ever learn another theravada pitaka?
Have you ever learn tipitaka pali?
Have you ever learn commentary pali?
Have you ever learn subcommentary pali?
Have you ever learn thailand's history?
Have you ever learn tipitaka history?
Have you ever learn western history?
Have you ever learn etadagga's profile?
Have you ever learn netti?
Have you ever learn patisammbhidamagga?
Have you ever learn abhidhamma's pali?
Those are not very loyal questions in regard of Dhamma and the Buddha. Better would be to ask one self:
Did I ever follow what I have learned, as being the path?
Do I really practice even a single adviced task?
What till now have I gained?
That of what I have gained, is it lasting?
How far could I let go of things?
Do I have liberated my mind from even lower fessel?
Is my virtue blameless, even natural?
Did I overcome senselust already?
What about my desire to become and be, like to be?
And what if I even could not say yes to a single point, the worth of my beliefe?
Did I catch the Dhamma maybe, without beng aware, at the tail and could that be the reason why it hurts and bite back all the time?
Could it be that I am simply a pride fool who has nothing gained so far?
Whar is the worth of what I assume as freedom an liberation, when I am still angry and behave like a child "my dady has a bigger car"?
Upasaka theY how has already lost his faceand is actually already dwelling in the lower realms.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 04:27:58 PM »
Please done my request.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2016, 09:09:28 AM »
Can I sit in silent for one day without desire?
Can I live on what is personally given, without trying to get more?
Can I leave every time of what one assumes to be home?
Can I let go of views, ditthi?
Can I sacrify my conceit?
Can I overcome tanha when ever I wish?
Do I have seen the Thatagata, have seen the Dhamma as it really is. or do I still assume my ideas, sankharas, sannja, vinnana, vedana, not to speak of rupa, for something real, Mr theY ?

What worth would all of that you requested have, what worth would a man have just owning this of what you take for real, worthy to hold it as your self, to die and fight for, you transgress Silas and to conduct kamma leading to low realms?

Thinking on Dhammapada, a fool gains knowledge for his own lose, he just destroys his own goodness, once gained.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2016, 02:45:13 PM »
A maybe useful "random" talk, give it a try, theY’: http://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/y2014/140512_Conversations.mp3
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2016, 10:41:02 PM »
Please, delete my account to make sure your mail will not send to me any more.

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Quote from: dutiyakammavaca (agreement) at the first sangayana in vinaya cullavagga sangitikandaka
suṇātu me, āvuso, saṅghoฯ santamhākaṃ sikkhāpadāni gihigatāniฯ gihinopi jānanti – idaṃ vo samaṇānaṃ sakyaputtiyānaṃ kappati, idaṃ vo na kappatītiฯ sace mayaṃ khuddānukhuddakāni sikkhāpadāni samūhanissāma, bhavissanti vattāro – dhūmakālikaṃ samaṇena gotamena sāvakānaṃ sikkhāpadaṃ paññattaṃ ฯ yāvimesaṃ satthā aṭṭhāsi tāvime sikkhāpadesu sikkhiṃsuฯ yato imesaṃ satthā parinibbuto, na dānime sikkhāpadesu sikkhantītiฯ saṅgho appaññattaṃ nappaññapeti, paññattaṃ na samucchindati, yathāpaññattesu sikkhāpadesu samādāya vattatiฯ yassāyasmato khamati appaññattassa appaññāpanā, paññattassa asamucchedo, yathāpaññattesu sikkhāpadesu samādāya vattanā, so tuṇhassa; yassa nakkhamati, so bhāseyyaฯ
saṅgho appaññattaṃ nappaññapeti, paññattaṃ na samucchindati, yathāpaññattesu sikkhāpadesu samādāya vattatiฯ khamati saṅghassa, tasmā tuṇhī, evametaṃ dhārayāmītiฯ

Please read above again.

I shouldn't have any  relationship with this board and you, who cut/change/modify tipitaka.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2016, 11:28:00 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2016, 11:47:45 PM »
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Please, delete my account to make sure your mail will not send to me any more.

Thank you.
Please read above again.

I shouldn't have any  relationship with this board and you, who cut/change/modify tipitaka.

TheY behaves like a unaducated child, so far to what he had lerned

There is no such as taking live or help in suicide usuall here, you are fre to take a rest in vibhava tanha for awhile, and since the is no other door for theY to ever come out of hell in this very live again, he is always wellcome to do another try in basics and good work.

Btw, could not find the linked talk, but there are many in thai language as well. Have a little compassion for your self, and give practice a try to understand who actually is you only enemie: avija

Here some really good help, if able, now as being in low realms: http://www.dhammatalks.org/thai_index.html
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2016, 08:40:26 PM »
TheY behaves like a unaducated child, so far to what he had lerned

Unlearned child in my opinion is a person, who decide something without any knowledge, like you.

I have not much knowledge about bh. Thanissaro Bhikkhu, so I listening him.

But you, Johann, who never learn buddha's learning system, never learn abhidhamma-pali, never learn tipitaka history, never learn commentary-pali, and never learn netti-pali, can decide them.

Your knowledge is realms. It is just imagine about buddha's dhamma. It is not whole of tipitaka. You cut it up to your imagine.

There is no such as taking live or help in suicide usuall here, you are fre to take a rest in vibhava tanha for awhile, and since the is no other door for theY to ever come out of hell in this very live again, he is always wellcome to do another try in basics and good work.

Because you are not theravāda monk, yo try to cut tipitaka.

So buddha taught me to kill myself form this forum by this sutta:

Quote from: A.III.206.
[259] upāsakadhamma 5 — qualities of an excellent lay disciple
       1. upāsaka is endowed with faith (open mind in logic [paṭiccasamuppādadhamma, and buddha+sangha who teach it]).
       2. upāsaka have good conduct (sīla, 10 kusalakammapatha).
       3. upāsaka is not superstitious. upāsaka believing in deeds, not luck.
       4. upāsaka not seek for the gift-worthy outside of the Buddha’s teaching.
       5. upāsaka do his first service in a Buddhist cause.
http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/dic/d_item.php?i=259

Btw, could not find the linked talk, but there are many in thai language as well. Have a little compassion for your self, and give practice a try to understand who actually is you only enemie: avija

Here some really good help, if able, now as being in low realms: http://www.dhammatalks.org/thai_index.html

Bh. Thanissaro Bhikkhu's taught you only saṅvarapārisuddhi-sīla: sense-control (sīla 4) . Everything, such as ariyasacca 4, that he taught, is stop here. He maybe taught something deep more at sometime. But it is not often, because it is not his meditation. His meditation just only saṅvarapārisuddhi-sīla.

saṅvarapārisuddhi-sīla was having long time ago, before buddha enlightened. It is not important to have buddha, if he taught only it.

Just go to Psychiatrists Center, or jhāna meditation center, if you need it. You don't need buddha, Johann.

It have many thing that buddha taught, but you cut it off. Then you get only some words that you can understand.

Or try to learn more, to understand tipitaka more than your teacher has taught you.
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