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Vithou, His brotherinlaw and Kana's brother Virak they will leave at 5am to Aural wished to visit Bhante and offering some medecines_/\_
 

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ព្រះអង្គបានធូរខ្លះហេីយ _/\_
 

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 :-* :-* :-*
May Bhante recover fast again
 :-* :-* :-*
 

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...many.May Nyom Sokdina let it be known if he desires for an explaining of why modern ideas and demanding go not at all in conformity with the Buddhas Dhamma but are at large leading downwardly.
 

Johann

December 10, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Thinking in therms of rights is grave wrong view, miccha ditthi. And there are times when voting is not usefull. Of cause people who go after such ideas simply search for relexation, fun and joy and will be not satisfied by the Dhamma, Nyom Sokdina. Don't follow fools and see the many goodness of ma
 

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December 10, 2018, 10:33:43 AM
ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ!
Human rigths!
Women rigths,
Children rights,
Democrecy;
We know the right to do. I use self-reflaction to our mind what are something in. The right way is a good way all wr wish. I have to g
ask you about the breath relaxation, meditatii
 

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សូមព្រះអង្គបានសម្រាក និងឆាន់ថ្នាំ សូមព្រះអង្គឆាប់ធូរស្បេីយពីរោគា
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Krun Chan did the arriving appear faster and binds to rest. Everything fine, dhammata.
 

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 :-* :-* :-* kana is good. Kana assumes Bhante arrived well at Thmor Touk again.
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Upanissaya, Nyom Villa... "accidents"...
 

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Nyom Sophorn, everything is fine!  How is nyom?
 

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 :-* :-* :-* vandami Bhante Khemakura, how is Bhante?
 :-* :-* :-*
 

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 :-* :-* :-* vandami Bhante Khemakura, how is Bhante?
 :-* :-* :-*
 

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Kana Preah Ang _/\_
 

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Nyom Cheav Villa
 

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Sadhu! Kana Prah Ang;
There are many ways to wash & clean the all minds, Preah konmchas; i had been taught by prf. from Spain with theory & practice as well since 2006-2009 and i also let my clients to do like whatever you have told me right now. For me at this time; it should use cognitive behavio
 

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Sadhu!  Möge es Nyom Roman und Nyom Moritz gut er-gehen!
 

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Ebenso _/\_
 

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ich wünsche Allen einen friedevollen Abend!
 

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Guten Abend Moritz und Bhante Khemakumara
 

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Nyom Moritz Nyom Roman
 

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Kana Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

Khemakumara

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Nyom Cheav Villa
 

Johann

December 03, 2018, 09:37:36 AM
Nyom Sokdina. It would be good if Nyom could participate on the up-coming Meditation week-end at Wat Akyum to clean the mind.
 

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December 03, 2018, 02:15:52 AM
Nyoms! Last night, a gouhter is affect by irritable cougbhing so it disurbance to sleep.
 

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December 03, 2018, 02:11:21 AM
Sadhu! Thanks!
It is just  tried to give up & burn out of bad spiritul inside. Your Wishes isi good for all.
 

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December 02, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
may you recover well and fast  :-* :-* :-*
 

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December 02, 2018, 02:18:46 AM
Respectfully
Today, my is ill with lower blood pressure & blurred sion. But she tries to see because she really praises excellent merit, moral & virtue. How do you think  , as humanbeing?
 

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 :o ព្រះអង្គស្រេងអាចនឹងដំឡេីងកម្មវិធីទាំងអស់នោះវិញបាននៅពេលក្រោយ ព្រះអង្គ _/\_
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
Not easy, but Atma has now erased all facebook, messenger.. apps on Bhantes device. Maybe possible to prepar the old Sangha-laptop in proper ways for him.
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 07:58:21 AM
If wishing, you could use the Pali-language forum, http://sangham.net/index.php/board,26.0.html for your lessons.
 

Cheav Villa

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 :D _/\_
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 06:48:05 AM
.. was written by Johann
 

Indaññāno

December 01, 2018, 06:45:34 AM
It's good to make everything that Huang's may not use messenger and things like Facebook! Of course there is support (given support) needed to do so. Don't pull monks into the worlds markets and ways.
 

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Kuna Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

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Bhante is just taking his meal, Nyom.
 

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ព្រះអង្គ ឥន្ទញាណោ _/\_
 

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 :-* :-* :-* sadhu and mudita to hear so.
 :-* :-* :-*
 

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Sadhu _/\_
 

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November 30, 2018, 05:43:37 AM
Everything "fine", better Dhammata, Nyom. Atma met Nyom. His mind is attentive, he could listen and its up to his own further investigation, blessed, being bound to care only about his breath for the time left.
 

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តេីសុខភាពពិបាកទ្រាំ ដែរទេព្រះអង្គ? និងលោកតាឧបាសក?
 

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ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ  :D
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Anger and Vibhava: no way out of hell?
« on: December 15, 2016, 10:46:00 AM »

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I shouldn't have any  relationship with this board and you, who cut/change/modify tipitaka.  4. upāsaka not seek for the gift-worthy outside of the Buddha’s teaching. 5. upāsaka do his first service in a Buddhist cause.

Quote from: A.III.206.
[259] upāsakadhamma 5 — qualities of an excellent lay disciple
       1. upāsaka is endowed with faith (open mind in logic [paṭiccasamuppādadhamma, and buddha+sangha who teach it]).
       2. upāsaka have good conduct (sīla, 10 kusalakammapatha).
       3. upāsaka is not superstitious. upāsaka believing in deeds, not luck.
       4. upāsaka not seek for the gift-worthy outside of the Buddha’s teaching.
       5. upāsaka do his first service in a Buddhist cause.
http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/dic/d_item.php?i=259
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Re: Anger and Vibhava: no way out of hell?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 11:54:49 AM »
Do as you wish and believe sankharas as you wish, but its good when you give you self a little bit more compassion and wisdom, which is often gained when simply remembering, sannja, sankharas, vedana, based on currend vinnana, its not sure, and patient with ones preoccupation is good. Its only you who could help your self to come down on earth again, Upasaka theY

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1. upāsaka is endowed with faith (open mind in logic)
2. upāsaka have good conduct (sīla, 10 kusalakammapatha).
3. upāsaka is not superstitious. upāsaka believing in deeds, not luck.
How is it, how could it be, that "good conduct" leads into hell, to anger, red head, aversion?
Can it be found in 3.?

Even if given much metta & karuna, is it possible to help someone in rage?
« Last Edit: December 15, 2016, 12:00:11 PM by Johann »
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 03:43:59 PM »
Do as you wish and believe sankharas as you wish, but its good when you give you self a little bit more compassion and wisdom, which is often gained when simply remembering, sannja, sankharas, vedana, based on currend vinnana, its not sure, and patient with ones preoccupation is good. Its only you who could help your self to come down on earth again, Upasaka theY

Quote from: cuted out from the teachings and maybe not so good translated
1. upāsaka is endowed with faith (open mind in logic)
2. upāsaka have good conduct (sīla, 10 kusalakammapatha).
3. upāsaka is not superstitious. upāsaka believing in deeds, not luck.
How is it, how could it be, that "good conduct" leads into hell, to anger, red head, aversion?
Can it be found in 3.?

Even if given much metta & karuna, is it possible to help someone in rage?

Johann, tipitaka editor, you still editing tipitaka, in your last post.

In tipitaka taught 5 stuffs, you cut it to 3 stuffs.

You care only dissemination. You don't care about the origin. That's why you are not theravāda buddhist.

You don't care the relationship of tipitaka between words to words, book to book, etc.

This sutta come together 5 stuffs to tell students about theravāda-upāsaka, but you cut some stuffs off to make us talk out of theravāda buddhist, to be zen's upāsaka, or to be zen's monk, like you.

In vinaya, having acelakasikkhāpada, but you don't focus on it.

In commentary, anuruddha-etadagga who lived while 1 st sangayana, described this sutta in commentary, but you not even read commentary in the eyes.

Anyways, that sutta completely explain itself, but person who cut some part of it off will never understand it.
 
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Antw:Anger and Vibhava: no way out of hell?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 03:57:31 PM »
So Upasaka theY is sure about the first three in his regard? For sure he thinks current khandhās are for sure,  but are they? Are preoccupations for sure if you prove them with less as possible concite?

Let it be known when you have tried another kind of thinking. Meanwhile people will be patient till Upasaka comes out of his movie so that he can use his time for being an helpful teacher with his respected knowledge in his mastered sphere.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2016, 05:05:36 PM »
Quote from: ??
How is it, how could it be, that "good conduct" leads into hell, to anger, red head, aversion?
Can it be found in 3.?

Number 3 of sutta mean to no logic = no deeds = no relationship = luck = niyatamicchādiṭṭhi 3   (it's english explanation inside link).

Hells and heavens are results(phala[fruit], vipāka[ripped]) of deeds (kamma), so it is not luck (niyatamicchādiṭṭhi 3). This sutta taught you in number 2, good conduct. But you do not relate it together because your teacher not even taught you nettipakaraṇa, Johann.

Number 3  relate to number 2 because the end of kusalakammapada 10 (good conduct), is sammādiṭṭhi (righteous conduct, kammassakatāsammādiṭṭhi) .

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14. "And how are there three kinds of mental conduct in accordance with the Dhamma, righteous conduct? Here someone is not covetous: he is not a coveter of another's chattels and property thus: 'Oh, that what is another's were mine!' He has no mind of ill-will, with the intention of a mind unaffected by hate thus: 'May these beings be free from enmity, affliction and anxiety, may they live happily!' He has right view, undistorted vision, thus: 'There is what is given and what is offered and what is sacrificed, and there is fruit and ripening of good and bad kammas, and there is this world and the other world and mother and father and spontaneously (born) beings, and good and virtuous monks and brahmans that have themselves realized by direct knowledge and declared this world and the other world.' That is how there are three kinds of mental conduct in accordance with the Dhamma, righteous conduct.



However, person can have sasatadiṭṭhi (eternalism) before/after righteous conduct's born, because kammassakatāsammādiṭṭhi can control only niyatamicchditthi 3. It can not control ucchedadiṭṭhi and sasatadiṭṭhi.

Another, you, Johann, are ucchedadiṭṭhi (annihilationism) in Brahmajala sutta , too.

You take only the probably logic you loved, then cut another probably logic you hate. This is micchādiṭṭhi. So, you try to do not relate sutta together, relate sutta member together to keep your beloved view, and destroy your hated view (even though it maybe probably right).
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Antw:Anger and Vibhava: no way out of hell?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2016, 05:26:05 PM »
 Here in hell,  Upasaka would have planty of time for reflecting about him self.  What if Upasaka takes the chance rather to fight a battle against his outward world saññās?  Try it,  that is called practicing. Many things will be solved and back on sugati realms there is much possibility for dāna,  silā,  samādhi which them,  right done would maybe also lead to paññā,  even dassanāvija (vipassanā.  Its not possible without the previous steps.  Its just saññā that forms one ditthi after another,  forgetting the worldly and the transcentend right view. The cause and the way out of anger and pain,  upasaka theY.  Be patient with your self.

* Johann Atmas current eye view  :) making a Y in candle light in the dark night in the deep forest cave.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2016, 05:38:18 PM »
Even if given much metta & karuna, is it possible to help someone in rage?

You must to memorize pali, to learn tipitaka by old learning system. It will make you more providence.

       4. upāsaka not seek for the gift-worthy outside of the Buddha’s teaching.
http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/dic/d_item.php?i=259

What is buddha's teaching?

‘Householder since long your clan has been a welling spring to the nigantas. I think morsel food should be offered to those that come.’

and

4. upāsaka not seek for the gift-worthy outside of the Buddha’s teaching.

So, I can give you  rice, water, dress, etc. But I can't give any help for you  to cut off/modify tipitaka.

I also can't give you a relationship because someday I maybe change to be a tipitaka-modifier like you  ("Asevanā ca bālanaṃ", see mangalasutta 1 of 38 for reference).


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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2016, 05:52:08 PM »
Here in hell,  Upasaka would have planty of time for reflecting about him self.  What if Upasaka takes the chance rather to fight a battle against his outward world saññās?  Try it,  that is called practicing. Many things will be solved and back on sugati realms there is much possibility for dāna,  silā,  samādhi which them,  right done would maybe also lead to paññā,  even dassanāvija (vipassanā.  Its not possible without the previous steps.  Its just saññā that forms one ditthi after another,  forgetting the worldly and the transcentend right view. The cause and the way out of anger and pain,  upasaka theY.  Be patient with your self.

* Johann Atmas current eye view  :) making a Y in candle light in the dark night in the deep forest cave.

Unlearned child is still  unlearned. Never read, never research, never learn any reference.

They just say what they wanna say to keep their insular view. They don't care any reference, or any origin.

That's why Johann is not theravada buddhist.

A zenist spy in theravada dress, Johann, delete my account, please. Don't send anything to me. I don't wanna know any tipitaka modifier, like you.
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2016, 06:03:45 PM »
A zenist spy in theravada dress, Johann, delete my account, please. Don't send anything to me. I don't wanna know any tipitaka modifier, like you.

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2016, 06:05:29 PM »
 Whould you more relexed,  if Atma tells you that he neither has any aspiration to be buddhist nor even a theravada buddhist.  It would be somehow very not very loyal in regard of the Buddha, dhamma saṅgha.

No suicite sand killing support. That would be against the precepts,  even if done in the name of the three gems.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2016, 06:46:54 PM »
Whould you more relexed,  if Atma tells you that he neither has any aspiration to be buddhist nor even a theravada buddhist.  It would be somehow very not very loyal in regard of the Buddha, dhamma saṅgha.

No suicite sand killing support. That would be against the precepts,  even if done in the name of the three gems.

You dressing and using theravada tipitaka, zenist. You can act like ajitakesakambala. But arahanta will not act like you because they act like this sutta:

[Deva:]
He who's an Arahant, his work achieved,
Free from taints, in final body clad,
That monk still might use such words as "I."
Still perchance might say: "They call this mine."
...
Would such a monk be prone to vain conceits?

[The Blessed One:]
Bonds are gone for him without conceits,
All delusion's chains are cast aside:
Truly wise, he's gone beyond such thoughts.[1]
That monk still might use such words as "I,"
Still perchance might say: "They call this mine."
Well aware of common worldly speech,
He would speak conforming to such use.

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2016, 06:51:33 PM »
No way to help you here.

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For you protection, you possibilities within the Sanghamitta an especially Acarica-Membership having been disabled temporary since in a state of anger one could do much damage for one self and the are actually many very trust and awarness needed possibilities.  Let it be known when this state of mind has come to an end,  so that the great possible help of TheY could get it's best enviroment again.
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Antw:Anger and Vibhava: no way out of hell?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2016, 06:52:16 PM »
No suicite sand killing support. That would be against the precepts,  even if done in the name of the three gems.

Who taught you vinaya? Your precepts don't have reference by tipitaka.

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