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Der Ehrw. Bhante gibt im Zuge eines spontanen Waldretreats diverse Lehrreden über Tudungapraxis, die Wichtikeit von Metta (samma sankappo) und Beispiele aus seiner eigenen Praxis. Hier ein Auszug, 17.12.2016 (Aural,  Kambodscha)

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Antw:[Khmer] Waldgeschichten, Tudonga, Metta und Einsicht, Ven. Indannano
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2016, 08:47:36 AM »
Here the Story of Sukha Samaner from the commentary to the Dhammapada:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

The Story of Samanera [7] Sukha   

While residing at the Jetavana monastery, the Buddha uttered Verse (145) of this book, with reference to a samanera named Sukha.

Sukha was made a samanera at the age of seven years by Thera Sariputta. On the eighth day after being made a samanera he followed Thera Sariputta on his alms-round. While doing the round they came across some farmers irrigating their fields, some fletchers straightening their arrows and some carpenters making things like cart-wheels, etc. Seeing these, he asked Thera Sariputta whether these inanimate things could be guided to where one wished or be made into things one wished to make, and the thera answered him in the affirmative. The young samanera then pondered that if that were so, there could be no reason why a person could not tame his mind and practise Tranquillity and Insight Meditation.

So, he asked permission from the thera to return to the monastery. There, he shut himself up in his room and practised meditation in solitude, Sakka and the devas also helped him in his practice by keeping the monastery very quiet. That same day, the eighth day after his becoming a samanera, Sukha attained arahatship. In connection with this, the Buddha said to the congregation of bhikkhus, "When a person earnestly practises the Dhamma, even Sakka and the devas give protection and help. I myself have kept Sariputta at the entrance so that Sukha should not be disturbed. The samanera, having seen the farmers irrigating their fields, the fletchers straightening their arrows and the carpenters making cart-wheels and other things, trains his mind and practises the Dhamma. Thus, he has now become an arahat."

Then the Buddha spoke in verse as follows:

Verse 145: Farmers [4] channel the water; fletchers straighten the arrows; carpenters work the timber; the wise tame themselves.

The story of the Deva who like to make merits to Ven. Kassapa was mentioned by Ajahn Lee in the talk ??  (Atma will find it)

In the third talk he told about his victory over defilements and brought up the importance of gratitude for ones mother to overcome greed. The talks given short after one hour of deep meditation made my person specially happy because they whitness the dramatical impact of the reatreat in Sri Lanka and is a special gift for all those who had faith and sacrified a lot for his trip into real taste of homelessness.

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Antw:[Khmer] Waldgeschichten, Tudonga, Metta und Einsicht, Ven. Indannano
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2016, 09:05:45 AM »
Here parts of the story about the Deva who wanted to do further merits, which was also mentioned by Bhante Indannano in the talks "Sukha Samanera",  here retold by Ven.  Ajahn Lee:

... Da ist eine andere Geschichte, über eine alte Frau, die eines Tages in ein Kloster ging, und sah, daß der Meditationspfad schmutzig war. Sie fegte den Pfad von Schmutz und Staub frei, sodaß die Mönche ihn bequem begehen konnten. Sie machte es nur diese eine Mal, aber sie tat es mit einer liebevollen Haltung, einer Haltung aus Überzeugung, einer Haltung aus Respekt, und in einem reinen Geisteszustand. Der Stab und Schmutz ließ sie sich entmutigt zu fühlen, und so fegte sie alles weg, und stellte Wasser zum Waschen der Füße aus. Aus Ergebnis fühle sich ihr Geist rein und erfrischt. Bald nachdem Sie nach Hause zurückgekehrt war, hatte sie einen Herzanfall. Nachdem sie gestorben war, wurde sie als Deva, mit einem großen Gefolge, einem Palast, himmlischer Nahrung und allen Arten von reichlichem Wohlstand, wiedergeboren. In ihrem Palast lebend, begann sich sich an ihr vorhergehendes Leben zu erinnern, und dachte für sich: "Wenn ich mehr Verdienstvolles getan hätte, wäre ich noch reicher als jetzt. Es wäre gut zurückzukehren, um gute Dinge etwas ausführlicher zu tun, sodaß ich noch reichhaltigere Ergebnisse bekommen würde, als ich jetzt habe. Zuvor hatte ich keinen Schimmer, daß Güte Resultate wie diese mit sich bringen."

So verließ sie den Himmel, kam auf die Erde, und trieb sich in den Wäldern und der Wildnis, auf der Suche nach Mönchen, herum. Sie kam an einen Mönch, der dabei war in Konzentration einzutreten, und so stand sie dort und starrte ihn an, nach einem Weg suchend, für ihn dienlich zu sein. Aber als er sie sah, scheuchte er sie weg: "Was für eine Art von Deva ist das, die versucht sich für menschliche Verdienste einzumischen? Zuvor habt Ihr Verdienste unterschätzt, doch nun wo ihr gute Resultate erzielt habt, wollt ihr gar noch mehr. Wie gierig könnt Ihr werden? Geht weg! Ich würde Euch nichts tun lassen. Laßt menschliche Wesen die Gelegenheit haben, Gutes zu tun. Da sind eine Menge Leute, die nicht irgend etwas von den guten Dingen haben, die Ihr habt. Drängt Euch nicht zwischen deren Möglichkeit Gutes zu tun."

Niedergeschlagen entfloh die Deva zurück, hinauf in den Himmel, und mußte sich mit den Ergebnissen zufrieden geben, die sich erlangt hatte. Sie hätte gerne mehr Verdienste getan, aber sie wurden sie nicht lassen. Warum? Wir Menschen unterschätzen die kleinen Handlungen der Verdienste, aber nachdem Sie gestorben sind, ist es schwierig für Sie noch mehr Verdienste zu tun. Warum ist es schwierig? Ihr Körper ist nicht länger der eines Menschen. Sie können nicht mehr mit Menschen sprechen. Sie können nicht einmal Nahrung in die Schale eines Mönchs geben. Das Beste was Sie tun können, ist sich an den Verdiensten anderen zu erfreuen. Nur Menschen mit guten Augen können Sie sehen. Jene ohne diese Art von Augen, würden Sie ganz und gar nicht wahrnehmen. Wenn Sie auf jene treffen, welche die richtige geistige Kraft besitzen, so können diese Sie zu einem gewissen Maß belehren. Aber wenn Sie dieser Art von Person nicht antreffen, wenn Sie eine Deva sind, dann haben sie keine Möglichkeit mehr Güte zu entwickeln.

So sollten Sie die Macht von Güte nicht unterschätzen. Solange sie die Zeit und Möglichkeit haben, dann wenn immer sie eine Möglichkeit sehen, Güte zu geben, zu der Sie fähig sind, sollten Sie sich beeilen, eine Anstrengung zu tun, versuchen Güte so bald wie möglich zu entwickeln. Wenn Tod in diesem Moment kommen würde, was würden sie noch besitzen?...


... There's another story, about an old woman who went to a monastery one day and saw that the walking meditation paths were dirty. She swept the paths clear of the dirt and rubbish, so that the monks could walk conveniently on the paths. She did it only this once, but she did it with an attitude of love, an attitude of conviction, an attitude of respect, and a pure state of mind. The dirt and rubbish had made her feel dispirited, so she swept it all away and set out water for washing the feet; as a result, her mind felt clean and refreshed. Soon after she returned home she had a heart attack. After she died she was reborn as a deva with a large following, a palace, divine food, and all kinds of abundant wealth. Living in her palace, she began to remember her previous life and thought to herself, "If I had done lots of merit, I'd be even richer than I am now. It'd be good to go back and do good things for just a little bit longer, so that I could get even more abundant results than what I have now. Before, I had no idea that goodness would give results like this."

So she left heaven and came down to earth, prowling around in search of monks in the forest and wilderness. She came across one monk who was about to enter concentration, so she stood there staring at him, looking for a way to be of service. But when he saw her, he chased her away: "What kind of deva is this, trying to horn in on human beings' merit? Before, you underestimated merit, but now that you've received good results you want even more. How greedy can you get? Go away! I won't let you do anything. Let human beings have a chance to do good. There are lots of people who don't have any of the good things you do. Don't come horning in on their chance for goodness."

Chagrined, the deva fled back up to heaven and had to content herself with the results she already had. She had wanted to make more merit, but they wouldn't let her. Why was that? We human beings tend to underestimate little acts of merit, but after you die it's hard for you to make any more merit at all. How is it hard? Your body is no longer like a human body. You can't talk with human beings at all. You can't even put food in monks' bowls. The best you can do is simply stand around rejoicing in the merit of others. Only human beings with good eyes can see you. Those without that kind of eye won't detect you at all. If you encounter those with the right mental powers, they can teach you to some extent. But if you don't encounter that kind of person when you're a deva, you have no way of developing any more goodness.

So you shouldn't underestimate the power of goodness. As long as you've got the time and the opportunity, then whenever you notice the chance to do goodness of which you're capable, you should hurry up and make the effort, trying to develop that goodness as soon as you can. If death were to come right now, what would you have left?...

As for my person I have to tell clearly, once gotten in touch with forest dhamma,  those who now speak from heart to heart, speak,  even they have not heard each other, all the same language, the sam topics, all over this loka.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2017, 08:27:55 AM »

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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "[De] Über Tudonga, Wald und Metta - Indannano Bhikkhu " eröffnet. Bitte scheuen Sie nicht davor zurück, etwaigen Rat oder Kritik dazu mitzuteilen.  Viel Freude und Inspiration auch im neuen Thema. Anumodana!

One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "[De] Über Tudonga, Wald und Metta - Indannano Bhikkhu " . Please do not hesitate to claim or give supporting hints.  Much joy and inspiration also in the new Topic. Anumodana!
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2017, 07:28:50 AM »
The story of the Deva from the commentary of the Dhammapada:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

The Story of Lajadevadhita 

While residing at the Jetavana monastery, the Buddha uttered Verse (118) of this book, with reference to Laja, a female deva.

At one time Thera Mahakassapa stayed in the Pippali cave and remained in sustained absorption in concentration (samapatti) for seven days. Soon after he had arisen from samapatti, wishing to give someone a chance of offering something to a thera just arisen from samapatti, he looked out and found a young maid frying corn in a field-hut. So he stood at her door for alms-food and she put all the pop corn into the bawl of the thera. As she turned back after offering pop corn to the thera, she was bitten by a poisonous snake and died. She was reborn in Tavatimsa deva world and was known as Laja (pop corn) devadhita.

Laja realized that she was reborn in Tavatimsa because she had offered pop corn to Thera Mahakassapa and felt very grateful to him. Then she concluded that she should keep on doing some services to the thera in order to make her good fortune more enduring. So, every morning she went to the monastery of the thera, swept the premises, filled up water pots, and did other services. At first, the thera thought that young samaneras had done those services; but one day, he found out that a female deva had been performing those services. So he told her not to come to the monastery any more, as people might start talking if she kept on coming to the monastery. Lajadevadhita was very upset; she pleaded with the thera and cried, "Please do not destroy my riches, my wealth." The Buddha heard her cries and sent forth the radiance from his chamber and said to the female deva, "Devadhita, it is the duty of my son Kassapa to stop your coming to the monastery; to do good deeds is the duty of one who is anxious to gain merit."

Then the Buddha spoke in verse as follows:

Verse 118: If a man does what is good, he should do it again and again; he should take delight in it; the accumulation of merit leads to happiness.

At the end of the discourse, Lajadevadhita attained Sotapatti Fruition.
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