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2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Dieses neue Thema wurde  aus abgetrennten Beiträgen, ursprünglich in ព្រះត្រៃបិដកភាសាខ្មែរ ,  hier zu einem neuen eröffnen. Für ev. ergänzende Informationen zur Herkunft, sehen Sie bitte das Ursprugsthema ein. Anumodana!

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Namassami (what does this word mean? I have read it somewhere. Maybe it is correct here, or not)

Atma denkt, dass sich da Namo (im Gedenken, Respekt erweisend) und samma (passend, stimmig) darin verstecken, es nach Sanskrik bzw. Hindi Abstammung so erscheint. Ist jedenfalls nicht Khmer oder üblich im Khmer, aber vielleicht aufgrund von vielen Dhammyietras nach Indien von Gruppen, modern in gewissen Gruppen.

Und wenn Atma nochmal nachdenkt, dann kommt es in der ersten Huldigungsrezitation als "dieses verehere ich" in vor Pali ^-^

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Morgenrezitation   

Arahaṃ sammā-sambuddho bhagavā.
Der Erhabene ist Würdig und Rechtensselbsterwacht.

Buddhaṃ bhagavantaṃ abhivādemi.
Ich verneige mich vor dem Erwachten, dem Erhabenen.

(VERNEIGEN)

Svākkhāto bhagavatā dhammo.
Wohl verkündet ist das Dhamma des Erhabenen.

Dhammaṃ namassāmi.
Vor dem Dhamma verneige ich mich.

(VERNEIGEN)

Supaṭipanno bhagavato sāvaka-saṅgho.
Dem rechten Pfad ist die Sangha der Schüler des Befreiten gefolgt.

Saṅghaṃ namāmi. (oder vandāmi)
Vor der Sangha verneige ich mich.

(VERNEIGEN)

Also in Deutsch etwa, ich verneige mich vor Ihnen/Dir, wobei machte "deiner Buddhanatur" oder geschickter und anerkennender "deiner geschickten Taten, deiner angehäuften Güte, die du in der Vergangenheit angehäuft hast". Sprich "Abhivadana", Grüßen Respekterweisen ist eine Form vom Pflegen von Anerkennung, sprich Mitfreude, mudita.

Mit einer Geste ausgedrückt:   _/\_

Und um vielleicht diese höchte Anerkennung als Rezitation üblicher zu machen, hier auch als Audio in der Anlage:
« Last Edit: January 10, 2017, 10:40:20 AM by Johann »
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Namassakara Bhante (I also don't know what that means, but it is probably similar and a good way of address),

thank you for explaining. Then maybe I have remembered it from the suttas.

I will try now to write now something maybe helpful in Khmer Tipitaka topic (which still takes some time and thinking) to Norom and Chanroth.

(Sorry for long delay. I have not much sleep and am busy and in some stress with other things. I have also received your email and will try to make things usable.)

May Bhante have a tranquil evening.

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That is actually "namasakara", paying respect. This is a more usuall word in daily use in Cambodia for it, Moritz. Atma does not know the origin for now, but seems to be from namo again and maybe sankhara, willingly body and or mental Formation, Gestaltung,  to have all three done, bodily, verbal and mental kusala deeds.

* Johann : Do not stress you to much. Actually everybody tries to make what possible anyway and for the most, there is a lot to do aside of most skillful.
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That is actually "namasakara", paying respect. This is a more usuall word in daily use in Cambodia for it, Moritz. Atma does not know the origin for now, but seems to be from namo again and maybe sankhara, willingly body and or mental Formation, Gestaltung,  to have all three done, bodily, verbal and mental kusala deeds.
Thank you Bhante. I was assuming similar.

* Johann : Do not stress you to much. Actually everybody tries to make what possible anyway and for the most, there is a lot to do aside of most skillful.

I am not stressed. Just interested trying to learn maybe some nice ways of friendly greeting. :) Thank you.

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When younger people would greet older, older would replay: "lueog dai twai preah",  was etwa heißt, oder bedeutet: "erhebt (faltet) die Hände, um sich vor dem Erhabenen zu verneigen", sozusagen eine Anerkennung, Ermutigung, daß zu ehren, was der Verehrung wert ist, fort-geschrittener, erhabener...  als man selbst.

Und um hier ein Anumodana (Ermutigen, Teilen von Verdiensten, Anerkennen)  zu geben, diese Zeilen, passend zum Thema, im Anhang.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Abhivādana-sīlissa
   Niccaṃ vuḍḍhāpacāyino
Cattāro dhammā vaḍḍhanti
   Āyu vaṇṇo sukhaṃ, balaṃ.


For one of respectful nature who
   constantly honors the worthy,
Four qualities increase:
   long life, beauty, happiness, strength

Etwas was man nicht nur glauben braucht, sondern, wenn man aufmerksam ist, überall beobachten kann.
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Neat (ñāti) Njom deang lay, (everybody next of kin - which means every being actually)
 Upasaka Moritz,

When younger people (for example Moritz or Norum meets Lok jey [Ven. Grandmother, for woman who keep precepts and following the Dhamma, woman in white, even if they would be younger, if one is him/her not on that level or on the samen] Upasika Sophorn with: "chum reap sur, lok jey" ("respektful greetings, Ven. Grandmother") would great older, older would replay "reoug dai tvai preah", with means "lifting (folding) the hands to bow before the superior (merits of someone, or in respect of tht Buddha) " and maybe add also neang (niece) or kmui (nephew), or even "gon" (child), and if there is a respect worthy (higher Sila training) of the younger, she would maybe also add "lok" (venerable) befor nephew or niece.

So the Greating is not only a paying respect, but also a kind of way to find out where one stands and where others are. Knowing this according to the Dhamma well and being in a sociaty which actually respects what is worthy to respect, is a way to walk together to a better an increasing of right view.
Best learned or even possible learn able only if one owns the "mangala mutamang" (highest blessing) to be part of such a sociaty and to respect of what is worthy to respect it self is also a highest blessing.

People not used to it and if also have a lot of defilement (a big personal belief) do not like such and seek for ideas of equality and in this way, do not have any refuge in this world, do not know whom to follow and would even have a hard to join such ways of social behaviour, cut them of those following the Noble Ones.

Atma thinks that this topic is also perfect for Njom Sophorn and Njom Norum, since they do now life in areas where such is nearly extinguished. And by explaining others one keeps the learned alive and is practicing it.

Not sure if both know the teaching: Eine Tür zum Dhamma -Respekt in buddhistischer Theorie und Praxis (cklick en for engl.). Even it is colored with some Thai culture, it will be a joy and encouragement for both and also for their families if they forward it.

As the Buddha sad, so we are informed in the Dhammapada about this:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Māse māse sahassena,
yo yajetha sataṃ samaṃ;
Ekañca bhāvitattānaṃ,
muhuttamapi pūjaye;
Sāyeva pūjanā seyyo,
yañce vassasataṃ hutaṃ.


The Story of Thera Sariputta's Uncle  

While residing at the Veluvana monastery, the Buddha uttered Verse (106) of this book, with reference to a brahmin, who was the maternal uncle of Thera Sariputta.

On one occasion, Thera Sariputta asked his uncle the brahmin whether he was doing any meritorious deeds. The brahmin answered that he was making offerings to the value of one thousand Kahapanas every month to the Nigantha ascetics, hoping to get to the Brahma world in his next existence. Thera Sariputta then explained to him that his teachers had given him false hopes and that they themselves did not know the way to the Brahma world. So saying, he took his uncle the brahmin to the Buddha, and requested the Buddha to expound the Dhamma, which would surely take one to the Brahma world.

The Buddha said to the brahmin, "Brahmin, an offering of a spoonful of alms-food to a bhikkhu would be much better than your present offering of one thousand Kahapanas to your teachers.

Then the Buddha spoke in verse as follows:

Verse 106: Month after month for a hundred years, one may make offerings to the value of a thousand Kahapanas; yet if, only for a moment one pays homage to a bhikkhu who has practised Insight Development, this homage is, indeed, better than a hundred years of making offerings .

At the end of the discourse, the brahmin, who was the maternal uncle of Thera Sariputta, attained Sotapatti Fruition.

So Abhivādanaṃ is actually really powerful and one failing here is actually failing the root of the Dhamma.

So to bring it to a very worldly level of truth, visible fir every one with eye sign, here an Anumodana (sharing of merits, praise)

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Abhivādana-sīlissa
   Niccaṃ vuḍḍhāpacāyino
Cattāro dhammā vaḍḍhanti
   Āyu vaṇṇo sukhaṃ, balaṃ.


For one of respectful nature who
   constantly honors the worthy,
Four qualities increase:
   long life, beauty, happiness, strength.

Some audios attached
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Namassaami and Namaskara have the same meaning.
Namassaami is Pali word and Namaskara is khmer word. Both use in other to respect to Triple Gem (Buddha Dhamma Sangka) and Monks. It means like , 2 hands hold together and head bow down (tvay bong kum).
Jom reap sour use for lay people. There are many kinds of Jom reap sour.... the same age, younger to older, older to younger, higher position to lower position, ...

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Sadhu and thanks for sharing a picture.

Here some offtopics from elsewhere to bb here on topic:

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(*) I hope this is good and proper way of address, as Chanroth used such a way as well, I think :) please correct me if this is not right _/\_
Chanroth may be younger than me, that is why he calls me older sister. Cambodian people always calls older sister/brother or aunt/uncle grandma/grandpa to respect the older. In this situation i should call you older brother Moritz, and you call me just sister or younger sister :). It is the way khmer people address each other :)

Thats not finally right, Njom Norum. Giving the other an older titel is a way of respect. Since Chanroth highly respects your deeds, he does not call you younger sister but older sister even he is a little bit older maybe ever more into silas and very educated in Dhamma. To call one higher as the simply age would suggest is a very Khmer kind. Today younger people, as most in Phnom Phen, have lost this kind of humble.
Even Atma was still a layperson in white, young and oldest, even monks called him lok ta (ven grandfather) out of high respect in regard of siladhamma and other habits.
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Thank you, bong srei (older sister), for explaining.
Actually, Chanroth is older than you. And you are older than me. And I also think, both you are older in knowing Dhamma. So I think it is good this way. :)

[me](You can see birthdate and other things when you click on a user name here in the forum, if they have given that information in their profile. I have not given my birthdate to the forum, because I don't want that the forum tells me happy birthday. But now I am 33 years old. :) ) [/me]

* Moritz You can call me however you like. I am just curious to understand this, and can now be using it sometimes in khmer maybe. Thank you for teaching me :)

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Today younger people, as most in Phnom Phen, have lost this kind of humble.
Even Atma was still a layperson in white, young and oldest, even monks called him lok ta (ven grandfather) out of high respect in regard of siladhamma and other habits.
Yes sure, i used to call Lok ta, but all the monks i faced were old enough to call like that. Nowadays, some people call the young monks "Lok ta" (maybe from the habit), some call Lok mchas (from pitaka), and some call Lok Bong (venerable older brother) or Lok p-oun (venerable younger brother) because of their age. However it is just the way of respect.
Thank you, bong srei (older sister), for explaining.
Actually, Chanroth is older than you. And you are older than me. And I also think, both you are older in knowing Dhamma. So I think it is good this way. :)

[me](You can see birthdate and other things when you click on a user name here in the forum, if they have given that information in their profile. I have not given my birthdate to the forum, because I don't want that the forum tells me happy birthday. But now I am 33 years old. :) ) [/me]

Sorry Moritz, hoffentlich bis du nicht beleidigt. Mit Bart kann ich schlecht schätzen, sorry brother.
So you are right to call me Bong Srey. However, I dont mind what you all call me.. just Norom or sister or something else...
I also dont want that they wish happy birthday, but telling age is just to let s.o knows and address correctly (esp. for Cambodian people, who always call rank with name :)

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No, no. No reason here to be beleidigt. Just mentioned to inform.

Okay, now I think I have learnt enough about these matters. ;)

Meanwhile I have nothing helpful at the moment here to contribute, in regard to the actual work.

I think I have caused Bhante to lose patience .

We will need some time to figure out if and how we can create a useful and helpful environment here for your work and to make others possible to join.

I hope you have no worries about it. (I am thinking about it in between.)

Jom reap lea

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Nowadays, some people call the young monks "Lok ta" (maybe from the habit), some call Lok mchas (from pitaka), and some call Lok Bong (venerable older brother) or Lok p-oun (venerable younger brother) because of their age.
Njom Norum, only uneducated and not informed people do so, its actually very respectless, since age is no matter in regard of pabbajitās and virtuose people. Its very usuall today, put do not follow, since such way of adressing shows that one does not have really faith in the tripple gems.
As the Buddha told, there are 4 thongs one should be careful of, even if young and small: a fire, a snake, a young soldier from good family and a young recluse. Dahara Sutta: Jung

So a properway, even if just 8 years, is to adress with "degun" (Gütiger, "de" maybe origined from french), "lok machas" (Ven. Lord, Sir) or "Lok ta" (Ven Grandfather), but the last is actually familary and better not, so one gets not attached as being owned.

In regard of adressing each other, Norum, Moritz, since you do not really know each other and aslo not the virte for now, both do good to adress one stage above the only age depending classification. So Norom is good adviced to call Moritz Boung (großer Bruder) , or Lok Boung (verehrter großer Bruder) and Morits would do best in calling Norum, Lok Srey (ehrw. Frau) oder Boung Srey (große Schwester)

Njom Moritz, you are already more Khmer (khemā, land or person with virtue and at peace) as most Khmer would see and you yourself. Just be careful that you do not become just a normal nowaday Khmer, who is simply attached to a certain identification.

Its good to see this topic, and its good to have participator who actually recognice paying respect, enjoy it, support each other in making it perfect, beeing of respectful nature is one of the real treasures a person can own and very seldom in this world.

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* Johann to Moritz offtopic: (As long as there is even the smallest chance, Atma does not give up, but one needs to know that Atma can not create such for others. Also a comfortable easy maintainable Zimmerpflanze, even a Kaktus dies. Its not sure if there will be any of this arround any more. Actually Atma, as it looks, is the only or the last Tudong monk as far as the messages and views reach. So what would be more worthy to give up and for whom? It always sounds very conceit colored and self lifting, but those are simply facts for now and anicca as all other sankharas. Norum and many other, actually do not know whom or what they meet and easy mix appearance with certain perceptions one has. You have never met and the chance is very, very small to meet such a ugly and disturbing person again as well such a gatering and place. What ever one maintains, unterhaltet, will survive for one. That is something very importand we should think of and here Atma comes back to the topic. )

In Cambodia its like in the late gone days of the Church. People will constantly pay respectand ask for forgiviness, on and on. Doing wrong, using Siladay like Christians go the Church... people think that the ways of the world, to make one happy by bowing down, so that one is beloved, counts also for the law of nature. Actually its creating much confusion and is not good karma, if one even knowingly respects of what is not wothy to respect.

The more one urges people to real generosity, Silas, concentration and real wisdom, the more people dislike it and prefer those who are tell: "Oh, don't worry, we are all like that. We are wordlings. Its normal to make wrong. " cheating people by telling them sweet things.

* Johann offtopic: gesprochen von Bart. Gestern dachte Atma, nun werden die Upasikas bald dem Moritz gemeinsam schnappen und ihm die Haare und den Bart stutzen  :) Khmer fürchten sich zumeist vor Leuten mit Bart und langen Haaren. Oder, wenn er sich weiß oder in Robe kleidet, verehren ihn als Brahmanischen Asketen.

Bach to topic, if Norum could share a bigger picture where also text is read able Atma would look through the text.

Since Namasakhar is something that needs to be made threefold, Atma would like to teach how to do. In Cambodia there are nearly no people who know and do it. Actually by doing it rightly, by body, speech and mind, one would be able to even reach the state of sotapanna which only this deed. Lets look if Atma can make even pictures or a movie to see the bodily part.

Its not taught anywhere and the usual is most a merely lazy following others.
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Kambodschanische Grußformeln
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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Kambodschanische Grußformeln " eröffnet. Bitte scheuen Sie nicht davor zurück, etwaigen Rat oder Kritik dazu mitzuteilen.  Viel Freude und Inspiration auch im neuen Thema. Anumodana!

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Nyom dadati asked my person, so put into related topic.

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What is the right way to greet you?

There aren't any demands, Nyom, and how ever feeling inspired. How ever, as people, if related to the Gems, make use of the occasion meeting a monk as reflection of the Sangha, and/or firm honor toward an individual, expressing veneration, honor or gratitude, making themself ready to receive, show respect by body and speech.
Most here use the expression of "Vandami Bhante" meaning something like "I am bowing down to Venerable" and add  _/\_  _/\_  _/\_ .

Some explainings as well as other common ways usual within Buddhaparisas are found in this topic.

It's a very good topic, yet already a destroyed in the modern world, as it's the door for ones path and also for long-life, honor, happiness and strength, doing proper paying respect and even toward that/those worthy of it.

* Johann : btw. good if adding face, and let know a little of oneself, so that others could approach and great Nyom proper as well. Some hints here , yet of course a liberal matter, no demand.
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Vandami Bhante  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_, thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

I am really glad you answered my question :). I thought you missed the question and I did not want to "force" it.

When I meet in real life a Venerable or an image of a Venerable then I usually silently bow and put my hands together like you shown in the icons.

But I couldn't do it online when you welcomed me so I rather kept silent. I felt it was not right to just say "Hello" or something similar I know. Sorry for that.

I am really happy you directed me here :). I feel really blessed to get here, thanks a lot.

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