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Dieses neue Thema wurde  aus abgetrennten Beiträgen, ursprünglich in Off-Topic ideas and discoordination (Antw:[Guide] Step 1. Upload of doc-files - Status and tipps) ,  hier zu einem neuen eröffnen. Für ev. ergänzende Informationen zur Herkunft, sehen Sie bitte das Ursprugsthema ein. Anumodana!

The new topic here is made from one or more post from there Off-Topic ideas and discoordination (Antw:[Guide] Step 1. Upload of doc-files - Status and tipps) . For eventual additionally information to this new Topic, please visit also the Topic of origin. Anumodana!

[Original post:]

Thank you, Bhante, I prefer to stay off-topic for some more.  _/\_

* Moritz Please excuse all the very longwinded post here, in which I do a lot of explaining and excusing. It is just to inform. I will try to come back with clearer focus for coordination on all the separate steps here as soon my time and clarity of mind allows. _/\_

Quote from: Johann
Was Atma nun noch aufgefallen ist, das die neu nun heruntergeladenen files kleinere Größen haben, was durch einen Download passieren könnte (und warum Atma generell gänzliche Arbeit im Forum uud Teilen als html vorzieht) Bitte bescheid geben wenn diese Größensache nur Atma betrifft.

/ ... /

Als Ursache könnte ich nur vermuten, dass LibreOffice (was ich benutzt habe, um die Infotexte zu ergänzen) einfach eine stärkere Komprimierung beim Abspeichern verwendet als Microsoft Office.
* Moritz zur Info (Daten in docx sind im Gegensatz zu doc komprimiert (so wie zip-Dateien); das ist auch der Grund, warum doc-Dateien so viel größer sind; Komprimierungsalgorithmen (wie zip) können (ohne Datenverlust) unterschiedlich stark, und je nach Programm unterschiedlich stark eingestellt sein).

I agree it would be very good or best to work on html, or in a way that a clean and standardized HTML result could be obtained without too much trouble. How to best do that seems a bit tricky.
For integration here as articles (and also a good standard for conversion to other formats from that in the end, think), the goal should be to bring the HTML into the same standard as you already prepared with the CSCD Tipitaka in Roman.

Copy-pasting first here then into the forum as "work versions" (Step 3 - which is maybe actually step 2 or in parallel) for checking and approving, one needs to write or convert a bit (or maybe a lot) to BBC. (like the red markings for comments/footnotes, one had to look through the whole document and type for everything [color = red] ... etc. in all the necessary places - not sure about this yet, if that is necessary) which is quite much preparation work at first alone. Of course possible, but one could need very much time.)

Copy-pasting from that forum "work version" into the HTML standard like the articles is another non-trivial process of conversion again. (A thing to do later, at the very end, but of course good or better to also think about it a little beforehand while fixing the formatting for the "work versions", so one has a clear way later on).

So it is not surprising that no one really knows yet how to really start yet, and I am thinking about it.
Especially how I could help to automate one step or another, so to save others time. And I am not talking much about it because I am not yet sure.
Looking at how to do the indexes as given by your examples here and here , I think it could be actually not too difficult to automatically create all the topics if one has first prepared a good and clean index of all the necessary data (names and reference numbers to all the vaggas and their contents etc. I would need to find out more complete about the structure of the pitakas and the infos given there (like, also the parts in your given examples that have question marks in it as  (ភ.?? ទ.??) etc.) and then perhaps best need some help from Norum to get all the khmer names together in a structured list. So then, with some preparation, I think automation of this (creating all the topics) should be possible if all the infos about this structure are together and I find some time and clearness in head to program it.

Meanwhile I have also started (or continued, after the start for Vinayapiṭaka វិនយបិដក ) with creating the article categories for the Khmer Pitakas (part of step 2 [which is actually parallel to step 3]). So far all categories for Saṃyuttanikāya are created (but no Index / Info articles yet; also no shortnames yet, and not sure yet if perhaps there need to be some Khmer names added to some vaggas / khandas etc.).

So I am just collecting all this further in off-topic because it is a lot of different things in many directions, preparing this or that and thinking about. And since much is not yet clear in my head, I have not further informed or asked about it.

It seems clear that lok srey Norum can not really know at this point what to do here. So this just as information, and I would come back with hopefully some more clearer steps and further questions later. _/\_

About the doc(x) files once again: I think that the .doc conversions are really unnecessary, and could make things even more difficult if people work with these different versions. The .doc format has been replaced by Microsoft like ten years ago with .docx which is also smaller (because compressed), and people with such old versions of Microsoft Office would encounter perhaps even other difficulties as well (thinking of character set in Khmer, probably in the doc format that would be unicode, and also the large file size: Opening/saving these documents in doc has taken a loong long time in my computer (which is not so fast, but also really not yet old). Nowadays' programs know .docx). It has taken four hours alone for me to add the info/warning text in every file and save it additionally in .doc and upload it all. And then more hours to make it red , which is also a reason why I got angry and speaking about wasting time. (But especially after the last paragraph in this comment
A month to get 40 files uploaded in a simple standard. Call my person unpatient. Please go to suttacentral and put it there, so you will a have really nice archives and Atma will possible live some years longer not forgetting his body by carry sand up a hill. Some might be inspired by meeting a person who actually stopped to struggle with the worlds issues.
which I found really disgusting. May Bhante forgive me that I still think so. I have spent much more than all my available time to think here about these things and how to make them work. Meanwhile a lot of other work I have to do is falling behind, and I really need to get back to it:
Quote from: from some conversations with a friend (and coworker/Arbeitgeber), who has a lot of patience with me already for many months and is also a true sappurisa and kalyanamitta to me
Pascal, [11.01.17 15:36]
Moin @trollkotze! Gibts was neues?

Marc, [11.01.17 15:37]

Moritz, [11.01.17 15:47]
warum das mit der anmeldung bei der app nicht funktioniert, verstehe ich noch nicht. aber auch überhaupt den ganzen prozess noch nicht, der dabei ablaufen soll.
was mir aufgefallen ist, ist dass in den theme-settings ja noch einstellungen für ide product-videos-app drin sind. versucht er sich da irgednwie anzumelden? und hat deswegen "wrong audience" oder worüber er sich beschwert.
noch etwas geduld, nachher bin ich da dran. (und habe nebenher gelesen, was irh so geschieben habt, um so quereinstiegsmäßig zu sehen, was läut)
* Moritz edited out here afterwards additional excuses about having trouble with demands from other work place and "Ärger mit buddhistischem Mönch"

Pascal, [11.01.17 16:13]

Pascal, [11.01.17 16:13]
Wollt nur wissen ob du da dran bist, danke

/ ... /

Pascal, [12.01.17 20:37]
@trollkotze hast schon neue Erkenntnisse?

Moritz, [12.01.17 21:07]
nein, noch nicht wirklich

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:11]
egtl kannst einfach loslegen, die app funktioniert ja bereits, zumindest können die produkte geladen und aufgelistet werden

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:11]
das passiert über den microservice

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:12]
der muss dann ggf nur erweitert werden

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:13]
so werden z.B. alle produkte im client geholt: https://git.mediamor.de/jumplink.eu/shopify-client/src/master/shopify-client.ts#L366

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:14]
und das ruft einfach das hier vom microservice auf: https://git.mediamor.de/jumplink.eu/microservice-shopify/src/master/microservice-shopify.js#L316

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:16]
und so sieht das in angular dann aus: https://git.mediamor.de/jumplink.eu/exclusive-collections-angular/src/master/src/app/products/products.component.ts#L20

Pascal, [12.01.17 21:17]
da wird dann durch his.client.listAllProduct die entsprechende methode vom shopify-client aufgerufen

Moritz, [12.01.17 21:17]
ja, danke.  alles ist gut vorbereitet. danke noch mal für die links 👍🏻

[edit] ... hmm das war off-topic ..[/edit]
* Moritz originally some angry text here with excusing about troubles with a buddhist monk, "musste damit noch abschließen" (but yet still not done it...), "keine lust mehr mich noch weiter abzugeben mit diesem erhabenen arschloch" etc., and a link to this message here

jetzt habe ich hier alles vor mir offen, shopiy-theme-repo, test-theme für recurring-customers, shopify-doku, etc. und bin bereit zu lernen.

And still after that (and really long long time already before that), my friends/coworkers had always a lot of such patience with me while I was almost all the time in some way occupied with things here as well, while I should have been focussed on doing my other work, with which I am very much behind.
So just to explain my circumstances and why I cannot sacrifice all my time. And I HAVE TO now really start focussing on my wordly work for a worldly livelhood. Bhante would not have needed to stress, and yes, waste my time, as told, answering to this disgusting cynic who talks about "motivatng" but actually destroys or undermines any wholesome motivation, condescending from his noble otherworldly high mountain, spewing spite and ridicule into what otherwise actually could have been good. I am actually still angry.

I do have much appreciation for Bhante's really hard efforts here and all its preparation, and the spirit of this project. And I think it is possible to work something out. But it does need much more time and patience.
I would try to get in more helpful contact and coordination with Norum and also Chanroth as far as he has possibility, but also mostly try and prepare to give them space for them that they can be focussed on their own.

(So now I have again spent some more hours just to write this here, and I do need to get back to my other work. But I also needed to explain why I had reason to be angry. And to explain that I am however still not gone or have given up.)

So Atma really likes to stop to stress all over here with motivating and "pushing". Understand that such work is not possible to make even by a forest monk.

I had much agreed with this and thought after it that we could now really continue on our own (at least in principle, but without guarantee how far things would get done), with all the guides so far, and some more thought on everything, and no need as well for Bhante to get lost in it, especially after his understandable technical limitations despite which he offered so much time and tried still further to prepare the ground.

So may Bhante excuse. And may Bhante find ease, leaving things now to us to continue, if possible, which still needs some patience and time. _/\_

I will come back here hopefully with better focus (trying to address all the separate relevant topics more clearly to get coordinated) when I have time... (maybe only in some days, maybe weeks, maybe today - cannot really say...)

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
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Thanks for sharing all this useful thought (at least such is always good for one self to get things sorted) and no problem at all. Atma would like to wink again to a possible solution, but it need time and care to implemate it.

How ever Atma has seen that Norum simple has started and thats the way. Atma will go over it, and sirt it to a standard manually andothers will go over it an maybe correct spellings... and maybe Moritz will see a way to share something else... and so on. We know where we like to go, and we simply do that step we can do for now, each in his possibility just taking care not to make the path more burdensome for others. (Bad connection again, sorry if not that quick and Zuvorkommend)

(Atma didn't read all in detail, but the Gischt he got)
This post and Content has come to be by Dhamma-Dana and so is given as it       Dhamma-Dana: Johann

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Thank you Bhante. Wishing Bhante good and patient work with the bad connection and technical limits. _/\_

(And much though written here was just for myself.)

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_





October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.


October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])


October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.


October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.


October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .


October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita


October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM


October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.


October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici


October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.


October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM


October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.


October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.


October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.


October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.


October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West


October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people


October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.


October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.


October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.


October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.


October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.


October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?


October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."


October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.


October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.


October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.


October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.


October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...


October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???


October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.


October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!


October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.


October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.


October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.


October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.


October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!


October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM


October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli


October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.


October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?


October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay


October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!


October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?


October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.


October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.


October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob


October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.


October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.


October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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