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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2018, 01:59:10 AM »
Now you have provoked the attachments of those touched. As you will see, even you get now what you maybe actually desired, you will not be happy with it, feel much remorse or simply get caught in improper releations, debts that cut of liberation.

Once you think to ask for something, not proper to ask for, even if getting, you can not make use of it or fall even deeper.

The Buddhas Sangha is not able to grow on improper places. It requires wise and obligated people that a real Sangha, a monk, a nun, may sattle for a while.

Western, modern, postmodern, communist enviroment goes straight against that and all you impement in this way is just an dhamma-improper social net work. A net for the most worse people of the sociaty, where those who wouldn't have chances are able to claim. And what grows in a demanding system is just more ignorance, more incapability.

Once forfeited all that what has been improper gained, once confessed missdeeds, even if having nothing, on is able to walk on, clean and without headache, remorse, walk on to places where conditions are GIVEN at first place.

It's of no benefit to think to build up things with those even more worse as on self, more caught, more without real liberality but full of desires for preoccupations how liberality should look like.

What ever support you gain in this way is for your demerit, for your bondage, and for the destruction of the Sangha following the Noble Ones, not the most worse and most vulnerable people, those incapable to work their path out.

That's why the Buddha so often spoke about a tear in the Brahmacaria, holly life. And it's a fact that woman are more likely but also more skilled to act for the increase of tears.

Stop that ways and seek for those leading you to liberation not to foolish revolutions of slaves where they cut off themselves even more.

Better to eat hot iron balls as to take the alms of the land, gained in improper way, better to eat hot iron balls as to accept gifts which are not free given but put one in debts toward certain demands.

If wishing and seeking for it, one will stay that what one holds on, fights for.

A foolish child?

Having asked for poison and drugs, dealer will give them freely, fast. So now, how to deal with it, that what you asked for?

My person will stop here, since my person does not provide drugs, poison, even if asked and it does not look like you are seeking for something good if given.

It's not of joy to live in a sociaty of demanding, althought if "having right", live with fools who simply expect gains with one.

Having not learned basics like generosity, gratitude, being obligated at fist place, grown up and having uphold wrong views since birth, how does one believe to have worked out his/her conditions?

Claim for it? "Oh I am a sage, a nun, I die for you, you have the obligation to support! (the most vulnerable, rather then most Venerable)"

Slaves fighting for slaves... killing there parents, leader, wise, the Gems. You don't know how fast there are killing field in ways you approach.

You have to have teachers who are able to taim you not drug dealers, if seek for liberations. You have to learn to venerate the Gems and stop to worship Mara and Baka, e.g. Brahma. Stop clincing to linga worshipping. In that way you may become part of the unexceled fields for merits in this world not another burden for your self and many.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2018, 10:00:36 AM »
Now look at this... the "killing authority generation, killing their teacher generation..."

Singing "we don't need education, we don't need seftcontroll"

As the other thread seems to have gone in the direction of material support for nuns, which is of course great and much needed and appreciated, I want to focus a little more here on another aspect I touched upon and something I only recently started fully appreciating.

Some years ago I did not notice this, or did not want to notice it, even though I heard other nuns say things. I thought it was just them. At first I took it all in my stride, thinking it’s part of the path, it’s just the way things are and just be equanimous with it all. But now it is slowly creeping up on me, I have begun to see the detrimental effects on my own mind.

You might not have an adblocker on your browser. You might think that those commercials have no effect on you; you never had the intention of buying that stuff anyway. But if you keep on seeing these ads, even without paying attention to them, over and over again, they actually start having a subconscious effect on the way you see things and the way you behave. This is how marketing works.

It’s just all these small little signs that if they happen once or twice you don’t think anything of it. Like a monk ignoring you or starting to get nervous when he accidentally finds himself in your presence. Or a monk not wanting to sit anywhere near you, or when you see that senior nuns always have to go behind the junior monks on Pindapata if they are allowed to go at all. Or when you have to sit on a lower seat than monks junior to you. Or when you accidentally touch the box of tea-bags, and it has to be re-offered to the monks. There are so many little signs, too many to list here, that just say: you’re different, you’re inferior. The lay people also pick up on those signs and start acting like that to you as well.

Even those monks who see it have to face the pressure from their peers and superiors. A friend telling me he cannot talk to me because I’m a woman and his superiors won’t agree or the lay people will get upset. Another telling me I should talk to the nuns. But amongst the nuns we can all only just say the same thing. We can try to support each other, telling each other: “it’s not you!”, but as long as we cannot have an open and honest dialog about these things with the monks, nothing is going to change; they will never understand. Like I could never appreciate this until it happened to me. But they stay safe behind the comfortable walls they have built; for them all is well, why put in the effort to understand?

I look into my own mind and find it harder and harder to fight against this. Like a relentless virus that keeps creeping in, wispering: “you’re not like them!”. I can so understand why so many nuns disrobe. It’s not just the material support; that’s only part of the picture and just one more of those subconscious triggers saying: “you’re not worthy of the same support as monks”. It’s the very slow and gradual undermining of your psyche, an almost imperceptible force that eats away at you until you cannot go on any more.
All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.

Aside of the fact that they would be even at the same low stage they are if they later can sit on the corpse of their teachers, sit higher then the Buddha, this people totally failed to understand the purpose of the path but simply seek for approve and huging of their defilements and ego.

Pointless to give even a penny into such resolve, ignorance and foolishness.

Simply shamelss revolting naked crying undiscipled punk girls seeking for fools who might be touched so that they help them killing the Gems. After having killed as higher, the slaves estimate to be at peace. They only get more poor and bound.

Those fools expect that they get objects for sacrifies, not by themselves would never be able to do, never learned the basics and feeling annoyed to go after and sacrify for higher.

That's exactly why the Buddha did not really suggest to open doors for people not capable.

Only a rich person, someone having put himself into the position of giving, not demanding, has joy in giving. What ever position a poor person, a greedy, strong defiled person is given or reaches, poor will she stay.

Why? Because simple foolish, a Bala, and not because poor in regard of wealth, honor, happiness or praise (eg. the short lasting treasures driving the world).

So as told many times: to give even a penny into that simply means to invest into killing the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.

And that is why the Buddha told "like a caravan with many woman is a beloved target for thieves" it should be for those with some small amount of sight clear that sacrifices placed into envy, into untamed fools, will be, like all that flows toward the useless sutta-central gang and the monks and nuns of group of six, sacrifice into increasing harm and demerits for many.

It's very, very hard for a western, "modern-minded" man to become capable to master even basics and outwardly requirements. As for western woman, as told many times, a change one in 10 Million having the Upanissaya, the capacity to even come up with the basics.

And such fools running around in puplic, even advertising their foolishness on big scale are nothing but to even destroy the possibilities for the one in ten million.

And because it, like this, is such a danger for many, it is regarded to be a downfall of breaking rules, if a nun associate with worthless Bhikkhus and does not change her ways.

No more being regarded, accept as Bhikkuni.

And all of this live/life samples explain why more compassionate because originated by wisdom, not by defilements say:

How could the Buddha have approved of this being done in his name? It’s not an act of compassion to the senior bhikkhunīs, who are creating the bad kamma of teaching without being qualified to do so; it’s not an act of compassion to the junior bhikkhunīs, who are absorbing the examples set by unqualified teachers; nor is it an act of compassion to the world, subjecting it to teachers who create a false impression of how a true bhikkhunī should embody the Dhamma in word and deed.

So: not please, but simply Stop!
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2018, 04:02:54 AM »
And that these all are not just irrational prophecies, the fact, that you feed your killer if you feed shame and respectless, can be seen even short after, as told.

The fool Brahma who gave them ordination is already target of these ingreatful people, this punk queens:

Upasaka Mat to gain a favor for Brahm...

Why do you think that?
In terms of practices that implicitly or explicitly tell nuns that they are inferior, garudhammas and questions of seniority vs. gender - among other things - are also an issue there. And all these small things that Ayya Vimala has mentioned in her post occur with monks from Bodhinyana just as they occur with others.

And that not fearing to kill even the Buddha and stand on him:

It’s about that same institutionalized discrimination that has caused the Bhikkhuni lineage to die out in the first place. [Eg. The Vinaya and Buddha]

But as the Buddha told, the reason why Dhamma-Vinaya dies out is because worthless people give even more worthless people ordination and so simply, out of greed, die out.

Once you have made those with determined destination downwardly as your target of sacrify, by nature you are bound so as well.

Lucky those who can and could see or simply trust the Buddha.

Sri Lankas Sangha and the Gems is already, since having fallen into communist and postmodern approach, history. Having adopted unwise modern ways, it will not need a long time that the whole Sangha there will be extinguished and of course the other extreme will quickly take over the land.

Now watch the ghettos, how the flames will rise after you thought to be smart and give direct to a untamed crowd of children, thieves, drunkwards and ingrateful woman.

It's just a matter of time till lying down in someone else bed and encourage to harm the previouse supporter. That's how their nature is and no matter how much you would love them, you can't change them, so simply be smart and do not fall for that which is of determined nature caused by grave violations of integrity.

Now my person wonders of how they will now get ride of the ghosts they had calked for so that they will not cause their whole boat to sink...

They will not have any other chance as to walk after the punk queens further on, to hold their existence in the middle of wrong view - lands.

And as a matter of nature, increasing love will cause increasing aversion and the other extreme will take over the lands and the fires will burn, like always sensual pleasure, e.g. woman, sex, desire for seeds and becoming, have been the causes of wars.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 11:12:30 AM »
And, by the way, (obivious and shameless) disrespect toward the Buddha, the Dhamma (Vinaya), the Sangha (eg. those in front) is not a minor fault, it's a grave fault, leading to heavy transactions till expelling, as for a trainee, or someone in probationary period, a reason to be not accepted. Again, if even a topic, not to speak about even downfall cases arising for woman, not out of reason, oit of disrespect and association with those worthy to undergo disciplinary actions out of also respect issues.

These are no 'case of individuals' but such is a matter of the Sangha, those involved, to act as they are able to.

It's possible not necessary to quote a punch of references, either those who see as those do not see their faults actually know them all well.

(It's always 'sad' but never surprising when some 'liberal' touched from 'not other religions' become soon and fast food for those not having Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha as their refuge, but simple try to use them for their aims of becoming)

For lay people, an advice, if grave violations of respect, e.g. the refuge is broken, they should ask for forgiveness from a proper Sangha, Monk, possible not falled into the same fault, and renew their refuge. Breaking the 'Sila' of refuge is a very serious issue for further practice, a grave hindrence for developement toward and on the path. Of course such ("only kammic") are total voluntary, aside of the effect, if known one is someone disrespecting the Gems, it might also close up certain ways toward the Sangha, in extreme cases that ones overings are not accepted (independed if in line of Dhamma or not executed, which is of course not really a problem if dismissed by those working against the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha).

So be really carefull, and never approach new-age rebels but better those who appear terrible conservative, those who one should be grateful that all this blessings have been coming till here and are even more endangered to get destroyed by Sutta-Central - thieving - Monks - and - Nuns and their political followers and supporter.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 09:48:48 AM »
And again, that you might have no reason to say "just pointless prophecy... just assuming... just painting the devil on the wall..." but get it shown that this is the undertaking of Devadattas following, after destruction of the Gems for their communist dreams and illustrations:

A rather naive and blended lay man asking:

A progressive monastic alliance could modernise the codes of discipline and sexist forms of etiquette and, organise support for nuns - internationally. Those who identify as progressives whose practice is based on the EBT’s could finish the job of ending sexism. This is the logical next step in the evolution of Buddhism in the modern world.

And the leader makes clear, that he does, what ever it may require...

Quote from: Sujato
Since the title is “why not”, here’s why not: because it’s too hard.

Because revolutions are bloodbaths. Because getting enough people to support it would take a leader of extraordinary skill to devote themselves to the task for a generation. Because you’d need to create organizations, networks, relationships, and dialogue. Because you need money and infrastructure and real estate. Because at the end of the day you’ll achieve less than you wanted, and more will be left behind.

Most importantly: because it’s not the most effective way to promote healthy change. Make gradual changes. One improvement at a time. Look back to the Buddha, take him as an inspiration. Then see how we can make this one thing a little better. And then the next.

So if wishing to have the Buddhasasana destructed fast, you should consider support of suttacentral, and their nuns ordinations.

My person does not fear that the support of destruction of good does not get enough support like the thieving, plundering and compulsory purchase of rebellion and communist revolution never lacked of support. If putting into fools and poor you gain a firm wandering on state with long time insurance not to fall out of the wheel.

So be clear and no need to doubt: Who ever gives only a penny of sacrifices (aside of the very needed to maintain individual life) into those group of people and undertaking, who ever would speak in praise of them and their undertaking, supports them in any way, is simply destined to low realm.

Shamelessness, grave lack of gratitude, lack of basic respect, grave wrong views... those not seeing such clear signs, who could help then? No one. Those are beings called "with determined destination", in this case not a good.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2018, 06:36:07 PM »
Here "we" are... you are...

Look at the smiling faces, tee with milk time, and orange Sri Lankan monks... full of samvega..

Triple Bhikkhuni Ordination  

Criticism of triple bhikkhuni ordination in Los Angeles

May no being feel anger, since it was just a matter of time till the Sangha of the Buddhas Savakas finally disappears.

Don't waste your time to meet the last of them, here and there. Maybe you even be able to gain one of the last higher ordination, meeting your old merits.

May those able to return to their Sangha on the last view places in SOAsia, do so and finish their task. There is not much time left to run to the hills.
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This "wiki"-like backup tool is meant as a outwardy insurance that one does not be afraid that anything possible good can be desroyed or made bad while looking for cleaning it. So worry at all, kamma does not dissapear. No need to fear to make good deeds, knowing that.


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And there is no intention to just make a museum out of a working and concentration camp, since the Dhamma can not be understood by just looking on forms but by learning and experiance skillful deeds.


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Post-history: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1164.0.html (but there is no notification system). My person uses to make a @mention , off topic "/me" in the OP.


March 19, 2018, 03:49:28 AM
Or to simply make a new post. No need to be shy in doing good things. It's not a museum, it's a working and concentration place. Mudita.


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There is such as a "wiki" backup function in all posts, Nyom Danilo. Good is to use the mention option, at the places where making changes @Johann , that it gets not "lost".


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I have a backup of the original post in any case. I might review the second post next time. Very insightful teaching. _/\_


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I've recently fixed many words and sentences of the first post of the thread "Debts, but to whom?". It take me some time trying to figure out the meaning of some sentences. So it would be good if Bhante could check if the original intended meaning of the post still intact. I have a backup of the ori


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One leading to peaks pointing downward so that aging, sickness and death can be seen, know him/her as a sage, a giver of release.


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One leading people to papanca, promoting rejoicing in objectification as the heart wood, increases to fields of corpse in the world.


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Good night _/\_


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Vandami, Bhante _/\_


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March 15, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
 :-* ich wünschen allen einen verdienstvollen uposatha  :-*


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Sounds like a good idea to rest. I will be taking a break from the internet for a while i feel detached a lot from the worldly feminisms and all. It is wonderful not to be lusting, walking the streets with lowered gaze, delighting in meditation... I fear it compromises me to even think about the pol


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Marcel, Morits, Upasaka X, it's time to break up this auspicious coming in touch now also for my person. Observe, remember, how you have been yesterday an now and guess of what will be tomorrow probably... maybe just not sure.


March 14, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
Sadhu, _/\_

may Bhante have a peaceful day.

Chom reap sour.


March 14, 2018, 09:58:42 PM
 :-* :-* :-*


March 14, 2018, 09:55:00 PM
O yes... will be a long day, this yesterday, but possible a remorseless.


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Vandami Bhante,
good evening (morning in Cambodia?).



March 14, 2018, 03:03:38 AM
Wie war es gestern? Wie geht es heute?

How was it yesterday? How are you today?


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Nyom Jens.


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 :-* erhwürdiger bhante johann  :-*


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Nyom Marcel


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Sadhu, eine des Magha-puja allen jenen die sie heute Begehen.


February 28, 2018, 09:48:58 PM
 :-* allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha tag :-*


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Namasakara, Bhante _/\_


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Nyom Danilo.
(Atma will leave for a while for his almsround.)


February 22, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, ja ich ahb die khmer tastatur installiert! ich werde in den nächsten tagen text teilen und berichten!  :-*


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Hat Nyom Marcel schon eine Khmer Tastatur installiert?


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So ist das. Wenn Nahrung aufgebraucht, dann ist da für eine Weile Ende, und Wiedergeboren, es wieder brennen wird. Zum endgültigen legen des Feuers sind wir hier, oder? Pfau ruft, Gecko balzt, alles in Ordnung, oder?


February 22, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, letzte nacht davon geträumt, dass es beim ashram brennt!!
ich hoffe, das feuer hat sich gelegt  :-*


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Nyom Marcel.


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ich  wünsche einen verdienstvollen uposatha!! all jende für morgen auch einen hervorragenden uposatha!!!
 :-* :-* :-*


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Much joy and releasing touches here, Nyom Chris, my person will leave for today, befor it becomes tomorrow, and rest a little.


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Sadhu, auch jenen, die ihn morgen, auch Chinesisches Neujahrsfest, begehen, einhalten.


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einen verdienstvollen uposatha allen!!!


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Sadhu! Mag er fruchtvoll verlaufen sein. Gerade wieder Möglichkeit erhalten, in dieser Welt hier beizutragen.


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 :-* :-* :-* ich wünsche allen einen verdienstvollen uposatha  :-* :-* :-*


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 :-* :-* :-* sadhu,sadhu,sadhu

 :-* :-* :-*


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