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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2018, 01:59:10 AM »
Now you have provoked the attachments of those touched. As you will see, even you get now what you maybe actually desired, you will not be happy with it, feel much remorse or simply get caught in improper releations, debts that cut of liberation.

Once you think to ask for something, not proper to ask for, even if getting, you can not make use of it or fall even deeper.

The Buddhas Sangha is not able to grow on improper places. It requires wise and obligated people that a real Sangha, a monk, a nun, may sattle for a while.

Western, modern, postmodern, communist enviroment goes straight against that and all you impement in this way is just an dhamma-improper social net work. A net for the most worse people of the sociaty, where those who wouldn't have chances are able to claim. And what grows in a demanding system is just more ignorance, more incapability.

Once forfeited all that what has been improper gained, once confessed missdeeds, even if having nothing, on is able to walk on, clean and without headache, remorse, walk on to places where conditions are GIVEN at first place.

It's of no benefit to think to build up things with those even more worse as on self, more caught, more without real liberality but full of desires for preoccupations how liberality should look like.

What ever support you gain in this way is for your demerit, for your bondage, and for the destruction of the Sangha following the Noble Ones, not the most worse and most vulnerable people, those incapable to work their path out.

That's why the Buddha so often spoke about a tear in the Brahmacaria, holly life. And it's a fact that woman are more likely but also more skilled to act for the increase of tears.

Stop that ways and seek for those leading you to liberation not to foolish revolutions of slaves where they cut off themselves even more.

Better to eat hot iron balls as to take the alms of the land, gained in improper way, better to eat hot iron balls as to accept gifts which are not free given but put one in debts toward certain demands.

If wishing and seeking for it, one will stay that what one holds on, fights for.

A foolish child?

Having asked for poison and drugs, dealer will give them freely, fast. So now, how to deal with it, that what you asked for?

My person will stop here, since my person does not provide drugs, poison, even if asked and it does not look like you are seeking for something good if given.

It's not of joy to live in a sociaty of demanding, althought if "having right", live with fools who simply expect gains with one.

Having not learned basics like generosity, gratitude, being obligated at fist place, grown up and having uphold wrong views since birth, how does one believe to have worked out his/her conditions?

Claim for it? "Oh I am a sage, a nun, I die for you, you have the obligation to support! (the most vulnerable, rather then most Venerable)"

Slaves fighting for slaves... killing there parents, leader, wise, the Gems. You don't know how fast there are killing field in ways you approach.

You have to have teachers who are able to taim you not drug dealers, if seek for liberations. You have to learn to venerate the Gems and stop to worship Mara and Baka, e.g. Brahma. Stop clincing to linga worshipping. In that way you may become part of the unexceled fields for merits in this world not another burden for your self and many.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2018, 10:00:36 AM »
Now look at this... the "killing authority generation, killing their teacher generation..."

Singing "we don't need education, we don't need seftcontroll"

As the other thread seems to have gone in the direction of material support for nuns, which is of course great and much needed and appreciated, I want to focus a little more here on another aspect I touched upon and something I only recently started fully appreciating.

Some years ago I did not notice this, or did not want to notice it, even though I heard other nuns say things. I thought it was just them. At first I took it all in my stride, thinking it’s part of the path, it’s just the way things are and just be equanimous with it all. But now it is slowly creeping up on me, I have begun to see the detrimental effects on my own mind.

You might not have an adblocker on your browser. You might think that those commercials have no effect on you; you never had the intention of buying that stuff anyway. But if you keep on seeing these ads, even without paying attention to them, over and over again, they actually start having a subconscious effect on the way you see things and the way you behave. This is how marketing works.

It’s just all these small little signs that if they happen once or twice you don’t think anything of it. Like a monk ignoring you or starting to get nervous when he accidentally finds himself in your presence. Or a monk not wanting to sit anywhere near you, or when you see that senior nuns always have to go behind the junior monks on Pindapata if they are allowed to go at all. Or when you have to sit on a lower seat than monks junior to you. Or when you accidentally touch the box of tea-bags, and it has to be re-offered to the monks. There are so many little signs, too many to list here, that just say: you’re different, you’re inferior. The lay people also pick up on those signs and start acting like that to you as well.

Even those monks who see it have to face the pressure from their peers and superiors. A friend telling me he cannot talk to me because I’m a woman and his superiors won’t agree or the lay people will get upset. Another telling me I should talk to the nuns. But amongst the nuns we can all only just say the same thing. We can try to support each other, telling each other: “it’s not you!”, but as long as we cannot have an open and honest dialog about these things with the monks, nothing is going to change; they will never understand. Like I could never appreciate this until it happened to me. But they stay safe behind the comfortable walls they have built; for them all is well, why put in the effort to understand?

I look into my own mind and find it harder and harder to fight against this. Like a relentless virus that keeps creeping in, wispering: “you’re not like them!”. I can so understand why so many nuns disrobe. It’s not just the material support; that’s only part of the picture and just one more of those subconscious triggers saying: “you’re not worthy of the same support as monks”. It’s the very slow and gradual undermining of your psyche, an almost imperceptible force that eats away at you until you cannot go on any more.
All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.

Aside of the fact that they would be even at the same low stage they are if they later can sit on the corpse of their teachers, sit higher then the Buddha, this people totally failed to understand the purpose of the path but simply seek for approve and huging of their defilements and ego.

Pointless to give even a penny into such resolve, ignorance and foolishness.

Simply shamelss revolting naked crying undiscipled punk girls seeking for fools who might be touched so that they help them killing the Gems. After having killed as higher, the slaves estimate to be at peace. They only get more poor and bound.

Those fools expect that they get objects for sacrifies, not by themselves would never be able to do, never learned the basics and feeling annoyed to go after and sacrify for higher.

That's exactly why the Buddha did not really suggest to open doors for people not capable.

Only a rich person, someone having put himself into the position of giving, not demanding, has joy in giving. What ever position a poor person, a greedy, strong defiled person is given or reaches, poor will she stay.

Why? Because simple foolish, a Bala, and not because poor in regard of wealth, honor, happiness or praise (eg. the short lasting treasures driving the world).

So as told many times: to give even a penny into that simply means to invest into killing the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.

And that is why the Buddha told "like a caravan with many woman is a beloved target for thieves" it should be for those with some small amount of sight clear that sacrifices placed into envy, into untamed fools, will be, like all that flows toward the useless sutta-central gang and the monks and nuns of group of six, sacrifice into increasing harm and demerits for many.

It's very, very hard for a western, "modern-minded" man to become capable to master even basics and outwardly requirements. As for western woman, as told many times, a change one in 10 Million having the Upanissaya, the capacity to even come up with the basics.

And such fools running around in puplic, even advertising their foolishness on big scale are nothing but to even destroy the possibilities for the one in ten million.

And because it, like this, is such a danger for many, it is regarded to be a downfall of breaking rules, if a nun associate with worthless Bhikkhus and does not change her ways.

No more being regarded, accept as Bhikkuni.

And all of this live/life samples explain why more compassionate because originated by wisdom, not by defilements say:

How could the Buddha have approved of this being done in his name? It’s not an act of compassion to the senior bhikkhunīs, who are creating the bad kamma of teaching without being qualified to do so; it’s not an act of compassion to the junior bhikkhunīs, who are absorbing the examples set by unqualified teachers; nor is it an act of compassion to the world, subjecting it to teachers who create a false impression of how a true bhikkhunī should embody the Dhamma in word and deed.

So: not please, but simply Stop!
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2018, 04:02:54 AM »
And that these all are not just irrational prophecies, the fact, that you feed your killer if you feed shame and respectless, can be seen even short after, as told.

The fool Brahma who gave them ordination is already target of these ingreatful people, this punk queens:

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Upasaka Mat to gain a favor for Brahm...

Why do you think that?
In terms of practices that implicitly or explicitly tell nuns that they are inferior, garudhammas and questions of seniority vs. gender - among other things - are also an issue there. And all these small things that Ayya Vimala has mentioned in her post occur with monks from Bodhinyana just as they occur with others.

And that not fearing to kill even the Buddha and stand on him:

It’s about that same institutionalized discrimination that has caused the Bhikkhuni lineage to die out in the first place. [Eg. The Vinaya and Buddha]

But as the Buddha told, the reason why Dhamma-Vinaya dies out is because worthless people give even more worthless people ordination and so simply, out of greed, die out.

Once you have made those with determined destination downwardly as your target of sacrify, by nature you are bound so as well.

Lucky those who can and could see or simply trust the Buddha.

Sri Lankas Sangha and the Gems is already, since having fallen into communist and postmodern approach, history. Having adopted unwise modern ways, it will not need a long time that the whole Sangha there will be extinguished and of course the other extreme will quickly take over the land.

Now watch the ghettos, how the flames will rise after you thought to be smart and give direct to a untamed crowd of children, thieves, drunkwards and ingrateful woman.

It's just a matter of time till lying down in someone else bed and encourage to harm the previouse supporter. That's how their nature is and no matter how much you would love them, you can't change them, so simply be smart and do not fall for that which is of determined nature caused by grave violations of integrity.

Now my person wonders of how they will now get ride of the ghosts they had calked for so that they will not cause their whole boat to sink...

They will not have any other chance as to walk after the punk queens further on, to hold their existence in the middle of wrong view - lands.

And as a matter of nature, increasing love will cause increasing aversion and the other extreme will take over the lands and the fires will burn, like always sensual pleasure, e.g. woman, sex, desire for seeds and becoming, have been the causes of wars.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 11:12:30 AM »
And, by the way, (obivious and shameless) disrespect toward the Buddha, the Dhamma (Vinaya), the Sangha (eg. those in front) is not a minor fault, it's a grave fault, leading to heavy transactions till expelling, as for a trainee, or someone in probationary period, a reason to be not accepted. Again, if even a topic, not to speak about even downfall cases arising for woman, not out of reason, oit of disrespect and association with those worthy to undergo disciplinary actions out of also respect issues.

These are no 'case of individuals' but such is a matter of the Sangha, those involved, to act as they are able to.

It's possible not necessary to quote a punch of references, either those who see as those do not see their faults actually know them all well.

(It's always 'sad' but never surprising when some 'liberal' touched from 'not other religions' become soon and fast food for those not having Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha as their refuge, but simple try to use them for their aims of becoming)

For lay people, an advice, if grave violations of respect, e.g. the refuge is broken, they should ask for forgiveness from a proper Sangha, Monk, possible not falled into the same fault, and renew their refuge. Breaking the 'Sila' of refuge is a very serious issue for further practice, a grave hindrence for developement toward and on the path. Of course such ("only kammic") are total voluntary, aside of the effect, if known one is someone disrespecting the Gems, it might also close up certain ways toward the Sangha, in extreme cases that ones overings are not accepted (independed if in line of Dhamma or not executed, which is of course not really a problem if dismissed by those working against the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha).

So be really carefull, and never approach new-age rebels but better those who appear terrible conservative, those who one should be grateful that all this blessings have been coming till here and are even more endangered to get destroyed by Sutta-Central - thieving - Monks - and - Nuns and their political followers and supporter.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 09:48:48 AM »
And again, that you might have no reason to say "just pointless prophecy... just assuming... just painting the devil on the wall..." but get it shown that this is the undertaking of Devadattas following, after destruction of the Gems for their communist dreams and illustrations:

A rather naive and blended lay man asking:


A progressive monastic alliance could modernise the codes of discipline and sexist forms of etiquette and, organise support for nuns - internationally. Those who identify as progressives whose practice is based on the EBT’s could finish the job of ending sexism. This is the logical next step in the evolution of Buddhism in the modern world.

And the leader makes clear, that he does, what ever it may require...

Quote from: Sujato
Since the title is “why not”, here’s why not: because it’s too hard.

Because revolutions are bloodbaths. Because getting enough people to support it would take a leader of extraordinary skill to devote themselves to the task for a generation. Because you’d need to create organizations, networks, relationships, and dialogue. Because you need money and infrastructure and real estate. Because at the end of the day you’ll achieve less than you wanted, and more will be left behind.

Most importantly: because it’s not the most effective way to promote healthy change. Make gradual changes. One improvement at a time. Look back to the Buddha, take him as an inspiration. Then see how we can make this one thing a little better. And then the next.

So if wishing to have the Buddhasasana destructed fast, you should consider support of suttacentral, and their nuns ordinations.

My person does not fear that the support of destruction of good does not get enough support like the thieving, plundering and compulsory purchase of rebellion and communist revolution never lacked of support. If putting into fools and poor you gain a firm wandering on state with long time insurance not to fall out of the wheel.

So be clear and no need to doubt: Who ever gives only a penny of sacrifices (aside of the very needed to maintain individual life) into those group of people and undertaking, who ever would speak in praise of them and their undertaking, supports them in any way, is simply destined to low realm.

Shamelessness, grave lack of gratitude, lack of basic respect, grave wrong views... those not seeing such clear signs, who could help then? No one. Those are beings called "with determined destination", in this case not a good.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination - Bhikkhuni Einweihung
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2018, 06:36:07 PM »
Here "we" are... you are...

Look at the smiling faces, tee with milk time, and orange Sri Lankan monks... full of samvega..

Triple Bhikkhuni Ordination  

Criticism of triple bhikkhuni ordination in Los Angeles

May no being feel anger, since it was just a matter of time till the Sangha of the Buddhas Savakas finally disappears.

Don't waste your time to meet the last of them, here and there. Maybe you even be able to gain one of the last higher ordination, meeting your old merits.

May those able to return to their Sangha on the last view places in SOAsia, do so and finish their task. There is not much time left to run to the hills.
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October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

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October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

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October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

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October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

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October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

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October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

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October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

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October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

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October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

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October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

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October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "

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