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2024 Apr 18 11:02:00
blazer:  _/\_

2024 Apr 13 06:28:47
Dhammañāṇa: May all travel careful and safe and meet their relatives always in good fortune.

2024 Apr 08 22:43:14
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 08 10:24:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 08 06:05:52
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New moon Uposatha by follow the Brahmacariya.

2024 Apr 06 19:05:27
Dhammañāṇa: * It's not so that one did not received much goodness either.

2024 Apr 06 19:04:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's not so that one received much goodness either.

2024 Apr 06 17:34:34
Dhammañāṇa: Avoid and be grateful anyway, as it's not so that their wasn't a try at least.

2024 Apr 06 17:33:09
Dhammañāṇa: And after others did their things, they get angry... No way to help, just good to avoid.

2024 Apr 06 14:15:01
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 06 10:45:53
Dhammañāṇa: But usually people just seek excuses or let others do the work.

2024 Apr 06 10:44:20
Dhammañāṇa: If people would be clear about dukkha in all, they wouldn't be lazy and let others do, wouldn't consume instead of sacrifice.

2024 Apr 05 22:15:22
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 05 18:51:35
Dhammañāṇa: Sensual craving, control-will, laziness, restlessness, and doubt. Nothing else hinders one from doing sacrifices, for here and for beyond.

2024 Apr 05 18:50:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🤦‍♀️

2024 Apr 05 18:49:10
អរិយវង្ស: ចិន្តីសូត្រ ទី៣ [] https://sangham.net/km/tipitaka/sut/an/03/sut.an.03.003

2024 Apr 05 18:47:40
Dhammañāṇa: Sensual craving, control-will, laziness, restlessness, and doubt. Nothing else hinders one from doing sacrifices, for here and for beyond.

2024 Apr 05 17:04:46
Dhammañāṇa: Yet nobody can take away good deeds done. So why don't just do it.

2024 Apr 05 12:31:40
Dhammañāṇa: When doubt or incapable to control or making one's own, than one does not go for it, often even wishing it destroyed.

2024 Apr 05 12:25:05
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 04 17:32:20
អរិយវង្ស: កូណា _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 04 14:56:02
Dhammañāṇa: Now fine?

2024 Apr 04 14:02:47
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2024 Apr 04 13:58:43
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 04 12:26:48
Dhammañāṇa: Atma moved them (13) to Nyoms private folder.

2024 Apr 04 09:47:09
អរិយវង្ស: កូណាច្រឡំ អាប់ឡូត រូបក្មុង Album លោកតា :o ជជែកគ្នារឿងឆេងម៉េង នៅកន្លែងការងារ បណ្តើរចុចៗ ចូលទៅឡូតចឹងទៅ😌

2024 Apr 04 04:54:49
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a grateful ancestor reminder day, reflecting beings of goodness (in the past) all around.

2024 Apr 04 00:50:34
Dhammañāṇa: :)

2024 Apr 03 22:17:46
អរិយវង្ស: លោកតាលែងបបូល កូណាធ្វើជណ្តើរ?

2024 Apr 03 22:17:18
អរិយវង្ស:  :)

2024 Apr 03 20:27:48
Dhammañāṇa: May the rain have been sufficient enough so that nobody would harm being of goodness, now resisting in other spheres, on tomorrow reminder day at least.

2024 Apr 02 13:03:04
blazer:  Bhante Dhammañāṇa _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 02 07:00:28
Dhammañāṇa: Short after hype in "industrial revolutions" always comes the dark Red.

2024 Apr 01 09:23:59
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Apr 01 06:07:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Sila day by observing virtue and reflecting on goodness.

2024 Mar 29 21:32:04
Dhammañāṇa: 500 visitors  Amazon after AI food.

2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

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Think Like a Thief - Denke wie ein Dieb
« on: April 25, 2013, 04:42:44 PM »


Denke wie ein Dieb

Im Theravada ist das Verhältnis zwischen Lehrer und Schüler wie das eines Handwerksmeisters und seinem Lehrling. Das Dhamma ist wie eine Fertigkeit, so wie Zimmern, Bogenschießen oder Kochen. Die Aufgabe des Lehrers ist, diese Fertigkeit nicht nur mit Worten und Beispielen weiter zu geben, auch benötigt der Schüler erzeugte Situationen um den Einfallsreichtum und die Kraft aus Beobachtung zu steigern und um geschickt zu werden. Die Aufgabe des Schülers liegt darin, einen vertrauenswürdigen Meister – jemanden, dessen Fähigkeiten gefestigt sind und dessen Intention vertraut werden kann – zu wählen und so wachsam wie möglich zu sein. Letztlich gibt es keinen Weg ein handfertiger Geselle, in dem man passiv den Meister beobachtet oder lediglich seinen Anweisungen folgt, zu werden. Du kannst der Verantwortung für deine eigenen Taten nicht entsagen. Du solltest beidem, deinen Handlungen und deren Resultate zur selben Zeit, indem du Einfallsreichtum und Einsicht zum Korrigieren von Fehlern verwendest und um Hindernisse die aufkommen zu überstehen, Aufmerksamkeit schenken. Das erfordert die Kombination von Respekt zu deinem Lehrer gemeinsam mit dem Respekt des Prinzips von Ursache und Wirkung wie sie durch deine Gedanken, Sprache und Handlungen aufkommen und erscheinen.

Kurz vor meiner Ordination sagte mein Lehrer, Ajahn Fuang Jotiko, zu mir: “Wenn du lernen willst, mußt du wie ein Dieb denken und herausfinden wie du dein Wissen erstiehlst.” Und bald lernte ich was er meinte. Während meiner ersten Jahre zusammen mit ihm, hatte er niemanden der sich um seine Bedürfnisse, wie seine Hütte zu reinigen, Wasser für sein Bad zu kochen und nach ihm zu sehen, wenn er krank war usw., annahm. Doch trotzdem ich ein Ausländer war, ärmlich in der thailändischen Sprache und wahrscheinlich der pöbelhafteste Barbare den er je gesehen hatte, übernahm ich bald die Rolle als sein Diener. Anstelle von Erklärungen, wo Dinge platziert werden sollten oder wann diverse Aufgaben zu erledigen seinen, überließ er es mir dies selbst herauszufinden. Wenn ich durchblickte, würde er nichts sagten. Wenn ich es nicht tat, würde er mir meinen Fehler aufzeigen, aber dennoch nicht vollständig erklären was falsch war. Ich müßte selbst beobachten: Wo platziert er Dinge, wenn er seine Hütte in Ordnung brachte? Und ich musste dies aus dem Augenwickel tun, denn wenn ich ihn zu deutlich zugesehen hätte, hätte er mich verjagt. Wie er auch sagte: „Wenn ich alles erkläre muß, gewöhnst du dich daran, Dinge auf einem Tablett serviert zu bekommen. Und was willst du dann tun wenn Probleme während deiner Meditation auftauchen und du keine Erfahrung hast Dinge herauszufinden und selbst zu experimentieren?“
Ich schluckte meinen Stolz und lernte meine Fehler als meine Lehrer zu nehmen. Zuvor konnte ich es nie tolerieren im Unrecht zu sein. Doch als ich letztlich akzeptiert konnte unrecht zu haben, begann ich die innere Quelle zu finden um Dinge richtig einzupassen.

Noch immer war das Thema, den Respekt auszubalancieren ein Problem. Ajahn Fuang war erstaunlich Charakterfest, weise und mitfühlend und ich konnte seiner Intention mir gegenüber immer vertrauen. Als Ergebnis daraus fühlte ich enormen Respekt vor ihm. Nichtsdestotrotz war er ein menschliches Wesen mit menschlichen Schwächen. Aufgrund dessen, daß meine christliche Erziehung mir gelehrt hatte lediglich vermeintlich unfehlbaren Wesen ultimativen Respekt zu erweisen, stellte ich mich bei Gelegenheiten bei denen Ajahn Fuang etwas weniger perfekt war, oft ungeschickt an. Zu gleich wüsste ich nicht annähernd, was ich mit meinem tiefsitzenden Charakterzug von Unabhängigkeit tun sollte. Als mir dann eine Tages, aus dem blauen Himmel heraus, Ajahn Fuang ein Geschichte über die Zeit, als er eine Meinungsverschiedenheit mit seinem eigenen Lehrer Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo hatte, erzählte.

Dem Ende seines Lebens näher kommend hatte Ajahn Lee ein Kloster in einem Mangrovensumpf am Stadtrand von Bangkok zu errichten. Die unterstützenden Laien wollten eine Ordinierungshalle, welche das erste permanente Bauwerk dieses Klosters sein sollte. Als die Fundamente gerichtet wurden, platzieren sie eine Betonkammer unter dem Platz an dem die Buddhastatue situiert werden sollte und füllten sie mit heiligen Objekten: Buddharelikten, Buddhastatuen, Amuletten, Stücken von Schriften und weiterem. Traditionell blickt in Thailand die Buddhastatue nach Osten - die Richtung in der Buddha zum Zeitpunkt seines Erwachens blickte – sodaß die Kammer unter der westlichen Hälfte, dort wo die Hauptbuddhastatue versetzt werden sollte, errichtet wurde. Doch auf halben Weg der Bauarbeiten, änderte Ajahn Lee seine Meinung und entschied die Buddhastatue an der Ostseite des Bauwerkes, nach Westen blickend, zu stellen. Auch wenn er niemals eine Erklärung für seinen unüblichen Zug gab, waren sich seine Schüler in der Interpretation was er damit zeigen möchte, einig: Das Dhamma ging in den Westen.

Noch bevor das Bauwerk fertig war, bemerkte jeder, daß die Kammer nicht länger mit der Vorgabe der Statue zusammen paßte. Das bedeutete, dass die Leute, die das Gebäude durch das Westtor betreten, über die heiligen Objekte in der Kammer steigen würden, welches ein strenges thailändisches Tabu überschreiten würde. So sagte Ajahn Lee eines Tages zu Ajahn Fuang: „Hol die Mönche zusammen und bewegt die Kammer auf die andere Seite des Bauwerkes.“ Ajahn Fuang dachte für sich: „Die Kammer ist auf gutem Untergrund errichtet und der Bereich um die Ordinierungshalle dagegen nichts als Schlamm.“ Dennoch wüßte er, dass wenn er sagen würde, das sie nicht versetzt werden könne, Ajahn Lee antworten würde: „Wenn ihr nicht die Überzeugung habt es zu tun, finde ich jemand anderen der es tut.“ So brachte Ajahn Fuang am nächsten Morgen alle gut gebauten Mönche und Novizen im Kloster unter dem Bauwerk zusammen um mit Seilen die Kammer auf die Ostseite hinüber zu ziehen. Sie arbeiteten den ganzen Tag und könnten sie dennoch keinen Zentimeter vom Fleck rühren.

Jetzt war nun die Zeit meine Ansicht auszudrücken und eine alternative Lösung für das Problem zu unterbreiten. Ajahn Fuang ging an diesem Abend zu Ajahn Lee und sagte: „Was ist wenn wir eine neue Kammer unter der Buddhastatue errichten, die Originalkammer öffnen, die heiligen Objekte aus ihr heraus nehmen und diese in die neue Kammer schließen?“ Ajahn Lee gab ihm mit einem Nicken ein Zeichen und das Problem war gelöst.

„Und das,“ schloß Ajahn Fuang ab, „ist wie man Respekt gegenüber seinem Lehrer zeigt.“


Think Like a Thief

In Theravada, the relationship between teacher and student is like that between a master craftsman and his apprentice. The Dhamma is a skill, like carpentry, archery, or cooking. The duty of the teacher is to pass on the skill not only by word and example, but also by creating situations to foster the ingenuity and powers of observation the student will need to become skillful. The duty of the student is to choose a reliable master — someone whose skills are solid and whose intentions can be trusted — and to be as observant as possible. After all, there's no way you can become a skilled craftsman by passively watching the master or merely obeying his words. You can't abdicate responsibility for your own actions. You have to pay attention both to your actions and to their results, at the same time using your ingenuity and discernment to correct mistakes and overcome obstacles as they arise. This requires that you combine respect for your teacher with respect for the principle of cause and effect as it plays out in your own thoughts, words, and deeds.

Shortly before my ordination, my teacher — Ajaan Fuang Jotiko — told me: "If you want to learn, you'll have to think like a thief and figure out how to steal your knowledge." And soon I learned what he meant. During my first years with him, he had no one to attend to his needs: cleaning his hut, boiling the water for his bath, looking after him when he was sick, etc. So, even though I was a foreigner — barely fluent in Thai and probably the most uncouth barbarian he had ever met — I quickly took on the role of his attendant. Instead of explaining where things should be placed or when certain duties should be done, he left it up to me to observe for myself. If I caught on, he wouldn't say anything. If I didn't, he'd point out my mistake — but still wouldn't fully explain what was wrong. I had to observe for myself: Where did he place things when he straightened out his hut? And I had to do this out of the corner of my eye, for if I was too obvious in watching him, he would chase me away. As he said, "If I have to explain everything, you'll get used to having things handed to you on a platter. And then what will you do when problems come up in your meditation and you don't have any experience in figuring things out and experimenting on your own?"

So I swallowed my pride and learned to take my mistakes as my teachers. Before, I could never tolerate being in the wrong. But when I could finally admit to being wrong, I started finding the inner resources I needed to start setting things right.

Still, the issue of balancing respect was a problem. Ajaan Fuang was amazingly principled, wise, and compassionate, and I could always trust his intentions toward me. As a result I felt enormous respect for him. Nevertheless, he was a human being with human foibles. Because my Christian upbringing had taught me to reserve my ultimate respect for a supposedly infallible being, I was awkward in handling the occasions when Ajaan Fuang was a little less than perfect. At the same time, I didn't know quite what to do with my strongly ingrained streak of independence. So one day, out of the blue, Ajaan Fuang told me a story about a time when he had had a disagreement with his own teacher, Ajaan Lee Dhammadharo.

Toward the end of his life, Ajaan Lee had built a monastery in a mangrove swamp on the outskirts of Bangkok. The lay supporters wanted an ordination hall, so that was the first permanent building erected in the monastery. When laying the foundations, they placed a concrete vault under the spot where the Buddha image was to be situated, and filled it with sacred objects: Buddha relics, Buddha images, amulets, pieces of scripture, and so forth. Then they sealed it up for posterity. Traditionally in Thailand, Buddha images always face east — the direction the Buddha was facing on the day of his Awakening — so the vault was placed under the western side of the building, under the spot where the main Buddha image would be placed. Halfway through the construction, though, Ajaan Lee changed his mind and decided to place the Buddha image on the eastern side of the building, facing west. Although he never offered an explanation for this unusual move, his students are generally unanimous in their interpretation of what he wanted it to represent: the Dharma was going West.

Not until the building was finished, though, did anyone realize that the vault was no longer in line with the image. This meant that people entering the building through the western door would be stepping right over the sacred objects in the vault, violating a strong Thai taboo. So one evening Ajaan Lee said to Ajaan Fuang, "Get the monks together and move the vault to the other side of the building." Ajaan Fuang thought to himself, "That vault is firmly planted in the ground, and the area beneath the ordination hall is nothing but mud." However, he knew if he said that it couldn't be moved, Ajaan Lee would say, "If you don't have the conviction to do it, I'll find someone else who does." So the next morning, after the meal, Ajaan Fuang got all the able-bodied monks and novices in the monastery down under the building, with ropes to pull the vault over to the eastern side. They worked all day but couldn't budge it an inch.

So now was the time to express an opinion — and to suggest an alternative solution to the problem. Ajaan Fuang went to Ajaan Lee that evening and said, "How about if we build another vault under the image, open the original vault, take all the sacred objects out of the old vault, and seal them up in the new one?" Ajaan Lee gave him a brief nod, and thus the problem was solved.

"And that," Ajaan Fuang concluded, "is how you show respect for your teacher."

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