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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2015, 06:03:13 AM »
As people here do not even know the different between "heavy offenses" and "light offenses", common laws and civil laws (basic precepts), it is maybe worthy to start to study this since a interest in Vinaya seems not be the target here on this forum at all. Authors’ rights . Atma hopes that he does not need to mention, that the general ethic of anglo american countries is very poor and does not include basic rights that much but cut it down on commercial issues, power and interest.

And if anybody asks, why don't you explain it in good and patient sentences, the answer is that "if you are on a ground, where people do not respect others effort and property, the danger of deleting is always present, it does not make sense to put much effort into for those which have not that much smartness to understand also short cuts and hints", don't worry Sujato does, he has a reason to hide, a heavy reason.
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2015, 07:35:39 AM »
To put the Buddhas tradition under the label of “Opposition to copyright “, Anarchism, is very poor, very poor… but fits well to all other aspirations here in this children-punk-blog and the normal way Dhamma and moral disappears form this world.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2015, 02:37:35 AM »
What a pointing on the index page...

Vacchagotta said to the Lord: “I have heard it said that you, good Gotama, teach that charity should only be given to you, not to others, to your followers, not to the followers of other teachers. Are those who say this representing your opinion without distorting it? Do they speak according to your teaching? For indeed, good Gotama, I am anxious not to misrepresent you.”

The Lord replied: “Vaccha, those who say this are not of my opinion, they misrepresent me and say what is not true. Truly, whoever discourages another from giving charity hinders them in three ways. What three? He hinders the giver from acquiring good, he hinders the receiver from receiving the charity, and he has already ruined himself through his meanness.”

Vacchagotta, Aṅguttara Nikāya 3.57

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“What five factors has he abandoned? Sensual desire, ill will, dullness
and drowsiness, restlessness and remorse, and doubt. These are the five factors that he has abandoned.

“And what five factors does he possess? The virtuous behavior, concentration, wisdom, liberation, and knowledge and vision of liberation of one beyond training. These are the five factors that he possesses.

“It is in such a way, I say, that what is given to one who has abandoned five factors and possesses five factors is very fruitful.”

    Among cattle of any sort,
    whether black, white, red, or golden,
    mottled, uniform, or pigeon-colored,
    the tamed bull is born,
    the one that can bear the load,
    possessing strength, advancing with good speed.
    They yoke the burden just to him;
    they are not concerned about his color.

    So too, among human beings
    it is in any kind of birth—
    among khattiyas, brahmins, vessas,
    suddas, caṇḍālas, or scavengers—
    among people of any sort
    that the tamed person of good manners is born:
    one firm in Dhamma, virtuous in conduct,
    truthful in speech, endowed with moral shame;
    one who has abandoned birth and death,
    consummate in the spiritual life,
    with the burden dropped, detached,
    who has done his task, free of taints;
    who has gone beyond all things of the world
    and by non-clinging has reached nibbāna:
    an offering is truly vast
    when planted in that spotless field.

    Fools devoid of understanding,
    dull-witted, unlearned,
    do not attend on the holy ones
    but give their gifts to those outside.
    Those, however, who attend on the holy ones,
    on the wise ones esteemed as sagely,
    and those whose faith in the Fortunate One
    is deeply rooted and well established,
    go to the world of the devas
    or are born here in a good family.
    Advancing in successive steps,
    those wise ones attain nibbāna.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2015, 04:49:16 AM »
Help add resources!

You may have noticed that I've been adding a bunch of talks and other resources here on Discourse. This is one of the purposes I'd like to see this platform used for: a gathering place for the great teachings on the Suttas that are scattered all over the web.

And here's where you can help. Find the talks, essays, articles, chanting, or whatever that inspires you and helps you understand the Suttas, and post it here.

I'm starting this now because we are ready to move to the next step of integrating Discourse with SuttaCentral. In a few days, we'll launch a new feature, where any posts or discussions about a particular sutta here will show up in the sidebar at SuttaCentral. Whatever sutta you're reading, there'll be a wealth of wisdom to help you, right there.
So how to make it work?

We've done the hard work on the coding side—or rather, @blake has done the hard work, and I've cheered him on—so that everything is simple on this end. Here's how to do it:

1    Find an inspiring resource on the Suttas.
2    Make a new Topic here.
3    For AV material like YouTube, paste the link. For written material, you can use a link for a web page or file, upload for a pdf file, or paste an essay directly into the post.
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7    Create Topic. Your post will appear both here and in the sidebar for the relevant sutta on SuttaCentral.

And you're done. It only takes a minute, and you've helped make the Buddha's words available for people all over the world. Sadhu!

The most important thing is to use the proper SuttaCentral ID. This is what lets us hook it up with our system. Let me know if you need help with this.

One note: If you paste essays directly in Discourse, as I did with In the Buddha's Words, make sure the formatting is done properly. You can't just directly paste Word documents here. Discourse doesn't support complex text formatting, although improved support will be coming in a few months. However if it is a complex essay with footnotes and the like, best to use a pdf. Let me know if you have questions.

In some cases, you can get great results simply by pasting the URL. For example, see http://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/dn1-the-great-entanglement-essay-and-talk-by-alexander-duncan/517. All I did was paste the URL from the original site (http://palisuttas.com/2014/11/01/brahmajala-sutta/) and Discourse did the rest. Headings, lists, blockquotes, notes, images, videos, even tables, just work right out of the box. Whoa! This is because of a cool Discourse feature called "oneboxing", where for certain whitelisted sites, we can just pull in information. To use this, try just adding a URL. If it doesn't do anything, it means that site is not whitelisted. Let me know, and I'll add it to the whitelist for oneboxing. Not all sites support this, however, so it's a bit hit and miss. Oneboxing is supported for Google Drive, so if you have a slideshow or complex document, add it to Google Drive, publish it, and paste the URL in Discourse.

Oh, and you might be wondering why I started with talks by Ven Dhammavuddho. He's a Malaysian monk who has been practicing and teaching the suttas for a long time, and is an old friend of mine from my time in Malaysia. But the reason I used his talks was derived from my sophisticated methodology: they came up first on a youtube search for "digha nikaya"! I'm aiming to get a range of resources for DN up and running, to show what is possible and help work out the kinks in the system.

Me would say, that this is the greatest thief since there have been Buddhas in this world, yet such could be the greatest gift as well, if the motivation would not be one of defilement and using them.

For who ever is not able to see the underlying intentions of the Devadattas spawn, such a one is really not to help, because no link followed will lead you to other things like this, for example:

Dharma Strategy for the West
By Alexander Duncan

This booklet explores the Dharma Transmission to the West from its origin in 1908 with the First Buddhist Mission to the West to the arrival of today's Asian immigrant teachers and schools, and asks the fundamental question: What is the right relationship between the DTW and the West? Is the West merely a passive receiver of dharma, or will the DTW transform Buddhism itself? The author seeks for the answer in Buddhist history, and finds it in the Mahayana rite of self-ordination, which he presents in a close English paraphrase of the Tibetan rite together with an essay on the relationship between the Mahayana precepts and the Vinaya.
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2015, 06:16:30 PM »

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1) Object: anything belonging to another human being or a group of human beings.
2) Perception: One perceives the object as belonging to another human being or a group of human beings.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2015, 08:09:41 AM »
Actually one way to make one move is to drive him indirectly, even he does not understand why and for what purpose, does not understand the meaning and the ways to work on Dhamma in line of Dhamma.

Its pretty amazing that the host of Devadata is exactly doing everything what was suggest to them, put it does not seem that any slight of understanding and right view arises, so done the path with wrong view, it will any up in bitter fruits, not only for the encouraging people but for many in this world.

With a host of people of significant wrong view Sujato, the executing general of this host, is developing a dhamma and vinaya with and for "not desired" people, using affection, using foolish people with strong demand thinking, those who do not respect mother and father, do not respect the foremost as the foremost, all those who (whether they like it or not) have no much future in this existence and fights all of those who have real faith and good training on the path. Giving slaves hope which he will not be able to actually give them.

That is called the biggest thief in the world.

So to learn from it, it does not make sense to give a person of wrong view, of no virtue any assistance of learning Dhamma. As for Vinaya such people, if not changing, need to be expelled.

Not changing his ways, feeding in areas of Sg 13 on those who believe his statements, dishonor the whole whole tradition, Millions of Buddhists all of the world, the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha... all he develops guided by wrong purpose, is a, if not changing quick, a big basked of trash.

Not the speak about the side aspiration of his, how do he call them, desiring, ...


This is usually translated as “discipline”. But if you google this, the first definition is:

the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behaviour, using punishment to correct disobedience.

Which, yuk. The use of the term “discipline” in Buddhism is directly derived from Christian monastic codes, where "obedience" and "punishment" are indeed hallmarks. But these are certainly not implied in the Pali term vinaya. This means, rather, “guidance”.

It is true that there are some (very mild, non-corporal) punishments in the Vinayapitaka, but that doesn’t justify the translation. There are some punishments in schools, but that doesn't mean we say "education" is a process of enforcing obedience with punishment. And as for “obedience”, the concept simply doesn’t exist in the Vinaya.

I suggest we do away with "discipline" entirely and use “guidance”. Dhammavinaya becomes “teaching and guidance”, and so on.

Guidance for fostering defilement and live on in ones foolish ways. Dhammavinaya: "You way to be guided staying a fool" rather than be tamed, for those able to be tamed...


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Since this project will most likely eclipse Access to Insight in a couple of years, if you have opinions on terminology, you might want to express it there. It's a useful opportunity to ditch some of the more antiquated aspects of the English terminology developed by PTS and in Sri Lanka, which culminated in Bhikkhu Bodhi's translations of the MN, SN, and DN.

If one thinks that all of these unprincipled people would not even know anything without their generous supporters they dishonor now, it is easy to see that those people are not some who could ever be called people of integrity.

Having feed so long, they, like foolish people, eat even their mother. There will be a long long bad time in the wheel of wandering on. Nobody can help them out, they gathered together for many many live times and will do so in future. Not an auspicious life if one get just them known.

It would not even make sense to think "May they..." because there no ground for them. Think of what such people need to have been done in the past that they are in such a situation, even outwardly everything seems best for them.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2015, 03:10:19 PM »
Na wenn man so einen großen Harem hat und solche Hauptfrauen, was schief gehen...


Dieses ist der Grund, warum in Asien der Markt so floriert, man läßt die Frauen machen, die sind besser wenn's um werden und mehren geht. Ob Sujato das in seine emanzipationsstudien aufnehmen wird...

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Wenn man das Dhamma dann auch zum Verkauf frei gibt, hält man sich die Händler in diesem Land auch warm. Ist doch nicht schwer in dieser Welt zu handeln, man muß sich nur auf die Kunden einstellen und die Mitstreiter bedienen.

Also dann, gehen wir es an. Runde frei für Dhammakaya made in Australia. Und nicht vergessen: Bhante Sujato, zu Besuch im Kloster Muttodaya (de)

Wo Brahmali seinen "Hintern" (wie eine Dame einst meinte) für die Damenwelt versteigert hat, bittet Sujato nun zur Kassen. So ist das mit den Schulden in dieser Welt. Einmal drinen, kein Weg mehr heraus solange man die Wurzel nicht abschneidet. So funktioniert heute auf der ganzen Welt source forking und alle anderen Milliardengeschäfte die unter "free" laufen. Der Kunde weiß nicht mal wie er dazu kommt und warum er, wo er doch alles free bezieht, immer ärmer und abhängiger wird. Na da werden ja sicher gute Geschäfte abgewickelt werden, wenn man denkt das die Nyanaponika-Händler direkt am Drücker sitzen.

Die Damen tun sich dann auch nicht so schwer, eventuelle zu nehmen, was nicht gegeben ist...

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Aber das können Sie ja mit den Freunden in Muttodaya dann besprechen, vielleicht ist ja auch das andere Verlagshaus gegenwärtig. Was der JuBu-Boom alles zu überwinden mag, was die Regeln früher einschränkten.

Interessant ist natürlich auch die Danksagung: "Kay Zimwinkel (Ajahn Mettiko)   German translation of MN.", wenn man bedenkt, daß diese Texte, wie er selber schrieb, nicht ihm gehören.... "Bhikkhu Mettiko   German translation of the Majjhima Nikāya." und siehe da (!), "Bhikkhu Santuttho   Consultation and advice on German translations.", das ist ja eine Bande , anders kann man das nicht nennen.

Ist ja nicht so, daß er nur die anderen holen läßt... ATIs und anderer Arbeiten, kommen auch durch eigene Hand überall hinein (ist ja sonst nicht viel an Dhamma als Grundlage da) jetzt natürlich ohne Links und Bezug zum Kopierechthalter und was nicht zum Verkauf bestimmt (und dazu zählt auch das Betteln um Dana!) nun auf der Robin-Hood Seite, z.B. in Portugals Sprache:

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Ein Treffpunkt der "undankbaren" Robin Hoods oder die Heerscharen Devadattas.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2016, 03:31:21 AM »
This is again twofold, on one hand, that those who are not involved can figure out of what is going on normally in this world, and for those who are caught, to have another chance to get a little aware in which bonds one is. So Atma was another time overcome by that what some call attachment, and others maybe endless compassion.

You really have to look about this sad image of Rauner und Jammerer how they even encourage each other to be bound and fettered over there in some topics:

Simply the starter question of a consumer leading monks tells already everything. Can we use ist... and then, how to use it, without even making an effort to bring the food form the table to the mouth. Ohh... vedana!

Atma (my person) had registered here in trust, that the person who made the TOS, is not aware that he mad them. If please delete this account again, because there is no reason to believe that disciples of the Buddha are working here. Not to speak about advocating postmodern and then doing the TOS stuff as soon it becomes a matter of oneself. That is called hypocrisy or totally unaware.

And maybe you do good to check the system generally since one gets a strange impression, getting such, by following the registration mail: "Thunderbird thinks this message is a scam. The links in the message may be trying to impersonate web pages you want to visit. Are you sure you want to visit mandrillapp.com?"

Don't use things that are not given!

What brings Atma to the reason, why he felt to write here.

When one looks at you, one is reminded on a group of collectors and hunters, but really not on people who like to make merits.

What is the backward if you put an effort into things? What is the backward to motivate people to put an effort in letting go? What is be benefit to think on reasons why it is hard to let go? What is the benefit of helping each other to become more and more lazy but more and more greedy at the same time.

What ever you do, you miss the point of practice. And why? Because you dont focus on your action and mind state, but simply on fruits. You are caught like Baka was caught by Mara, and now one approaches Baka and points on Mara.

You approach people as being meditation teacher, vipassana teacher, and yet you are even not able to perform raw merits? Blind people even take you for full. Be aware of that, even if you might not let go of your defilement, do not present them as being the Dhamma and in line of Dhamma.

People!, focus and practice, on scarify on that what you do for your self, and not on what Baka thinks that it is lasting, not aging, self.

The time your consult each other how to get fruits without giving something first, you could already have made a lot of suttas avaliable. But you might forget, that all you do is for your self. Whether you do wise or unwise.

Think about it, and think about what you are doing here aside of worshiping Baka and Mara, delight in becoming rather to use the possibility to practice.

Its even more sad to see Sri Lankan people, who should know a better, fallen into the line of lazy consumer and dealers and trust in what is not given, rather to practice giving.

I wounder where the picture of smiling Brahma in front of the google advertising "We make the work for you" has disappeared to. They are not even doing the work for you, but are just leading the line of collectors and hunters, and just give them bounds to be sure that they feel lasting and get sankharas nourished.

You could even start to ask people, so that they would have a change to give something consciously. Its so that you would even feel gratitude and obligation, if you receive what is given, rather to act like collectors and hunters who congratulate each others when having made a hunt.

Atma is even sure that Piya Tan would be so happy and so inspired that he would give his disciples even a deal to work things out for you :slightly_smiling: You know the ways how business and joy (n) adventure works.

How ever, once again, what you give here, aside of consumer support is really a sad picture, not even a good picture for business people, who like to earn for the world but doing it with there own hands and own power. "Thieves" teaching each others to to stay such and make "rights" destroying goodness and merits in this world.


(Note: this answer has not been given with the agreement to be means of trade or the purpose of/for trade and/or keep people trapped and bound. How you handle it lies in your sphere, but does not excuse the deed here either.)
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2016, 03:34:56 AM »
Fast! Already banned  :) Fools, there is really not more to say about it.
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You will see that there is not a little wrong, when Atma calls this group Thieves, the Buddha called it Maha thieves, those who sell the Dhamma and encourage others to steal and there is no different between illegal download websites, content webpages which use naive user to go around copy rights and sutta - decentral. Decentral why? Because it is stealing Dhamma and its way in line of Dhamma in this world. Yet, making even the naive people, who believe in postmodern and communism as a solution responsible for their thieving.

An owner would even have a hard to claim, but Atma is sure they will adopt the russian ways of disclaimer also soon.

But what would a consumer worry about that, now when he still can feed on it... You can not help them. Neither the pig holder nor the pigs. They are bound to each other.

When you look at this contract all those who "steal" for sutta central and you know a little about worldly law, like it is still used in Europa, you can say its definitely even against costumer care and also what is called in law "immoral contract".

Yet, they will soon change it. Why? Because they are again leaded by greed, aversion and delusion. That is all people are able to put an effort into things. When this arises, there is reason for effort. So how ever you would motivated them, they will do it wrong again. Why? Because wrong view is leading them.

Just look at the content of this forum: "It 95% illegal", all this copy and pastes form other sides. Look at the translations made form ATI, they are all illegal, not to speak about kamma on this level.

So its impossible to bring Dhamma in line of Dhamma on such places, because they are not thought for letting go and giving, they are thought for becoming and being.

Look at Piya Tans Dhamma gifts, they have been already taken as sell-able share ware, without any gratitude and the "funny" thing is, that Piya Tan even supports his later thieves. People get what they invest in. So communists get their regime, poor steal from other poor, leaders of such groups are caught up by the defilement of their crowd. No change to escape aside of Dhamma in line of Dhamma.

While a monk would always make a disclaimer, that he how ever stays to be responsible at least for his deeds and call for deeds, those monks do it "smart" like pirates are used to (for if you follow to steal for them):
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For if you take and have a share of the stolen:

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Responsibility deny form the beginning till the end, and suggestion others to follow this wired ideas and hypocrisy of postmodern, stealing the label "Buddha Dhamma" to even do such. What?

And what do you think where the Pali Texts are taken from?

Pali text from the Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka Buddhavasse 2500: World Tipiṭaka Edition in Roman Script. Edited and published by The M.L. Maniratana Bunnag Dhamma Society Fund, 2005. Based on the digital edition of the Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana published by the Vipassana Research Institute, with corrections and proofreading by the Dhamma Society.

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Do you honestly believe that Thailands Sangha would give people who constantly discredit Thailands Sangha, their heritage? Do you think that the holder of the digital Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana, the Vipassana Research did give it now for sell? Its even no more visible how interwoven this chain of thieving in the Name of the Buddha is.

And when you make a research of who those people are, who seems to having made a lot of merits, you find a google website: https://sites.google.com/a/worldtipitaka.info/society/

You would not believe how tick this network of cheaters and dealers is, who even cheat their elders and kings with their thieves, not to speak about the many faithful. And yet they would counter, every giving is good. Yes every giving. But in no means taking an call it a gift, or take to give. That is something they can not understand. Why? Because wrong view and Robin Hood leads them.

Even if you search much, you would not find "namo" on this page aside of respect in regard of dealers. Where do you like to find gratitude and generosity there? Its the generosity of geckos, giving patient and time when focusing on their hunt and the gratitude of a pig breeder. Which pig breeder would give his pigs ways of release? Both benefit as far as their signs reach.

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Ohh, if they would be serious, it would be empty not to speak that they would have to delete a lot of accounts, but actually they prefer to delete accounts of those who would tell them: "Hey be careful", since they would face what the world is about Dana and doing merits: No interest. Why should the child be different form its parents?

So even if the owner would now give up there ownership (as for the Sangha property such is even not possible), all what he and his abetter had done, would be just a fulfillment of the transgression. Still there could be maybe a possibility to confess and come out of it with a "swollen eye". But Atma really doubts that there is either a way they would see the need or or if there even is a possibility for rehabilitation.

Help add resources! actually means "Help stealing resources!" and that is way it was said and suggested: Don't touch it! That what is not given and walk the ways of the Robin Hoods, thinking Robin hood was not a thieve, murder and cheater like all this worldly heroes just for a day at least.
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2016, 08:12:03 AM »
Maybe an actual list is good

Akincano Marc Weber   German translations: consultation and advice. http://www.akincano.net/english-about.html
Alain René Bernay   French translations: sourcing and text preparation.
Alex Genaud   Consultation.
Alexander баян купи-ка   Russian translations.
Alpesh Raval, Jatin, and the team at Hi-Tech   Typing and markup of several texts, including the English translations of the Pali Vinaya, Vibhaṅga, and Kathāvatthu, and several Hindi texts.
Amaradasa Liyanagamage   Consultation and liason.
Andrew Glass   Advice regarding font encodings.
Antoni Baron   Spanish translations: consultation.
Ayya Agganyani   German translations: consultation and advice on Abhidhamma.
Ayyā Vimalañāṇī   German translations: text preparation. http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,411.msg8831.html#msg8831
Ayyā Vimalā   Programming, text preparation and coordination.
Ayyā Ãraññadevī   English translations: corrections for dictionaries.
Ben Arasu   Tamil translations.
Ben Mitchell of Rosetta Type   Help with fonts.
Bhikkhu Anālayo   English translation of the Saṁyuktāgama, help with parallels.
Bhikkhu Anandajoti   Study of Dhammapada canonical parallels.
Bhikkhu Bodhi   English translations.
Bhikkhu Brahmāli   English translation of the Pali Vinaya.
Bhikkhu Indacanda   Vietnamese translations.
Bhikkhu Jaganātha   English translation: preparation of The Book of the Discipline.
Bhikkhu Karunabhanga   Bengali translations: support.
Bhikkhu Khemacāro (박석현)   Korean translations.
Bhikkhu Kheminda (Бхиккху Кхеминда)   Russian translations: support.
Bhikkhu Mettavihāri   Sinhala translations: support.
Bhikkhu Mettiko   German translation of the Majjhima Nikāya. [Atma doubts, that he could give something what he has "sold" already]
Bhikkhu Pāsādika   English translation of the Ekottarikāgama.
Bhikkhu Santuttho   German translations: consultation, advice and Pali→German dictionary. [good to have a Pali German dictionary now avaliable]
Bhikkhu Yuttadhammo   Pali-English dictionary, Pali lookup code, Pali transliteration code. http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,2089.0.html
Bhikkhu Ñāṇatusita   Permission to use Bhikkhu Bodhi’s Dīgha translations and John Ireland’s Udāna and Itivuttaka.
Bhikkhu Ānandajoti   Consultation and advice on texts and metres, translations.
Bhikkhu Jodoshinshu   Japanese translations: permission to link to his site.
Bhikkhunī Dhammadinnā   English translation of the Upāyikā.
Bhikkhunī Nibbidā   English translation: preparation of The Book of the Discipline.
Binh Anson   Vietnamese translations: text preparation.
Buddhist Library (Sydney)   Use of facilities.
Buddhist Society of WA   Use of facilities.
Buddhist Studies Review   Permission to use the English translation of the Ekottarikāgama.
Charles Muller   Digital Dictionary of Buddhism.
Dave Strandberg   SASS and JS enhancements.
David Březina of Rosetta Type   Help with fonts.
David Dargie and Michelle Styles-Williams   Transcription of Sanskrit texts.
Deepika Weerakoon   General support, Financial Officer for SuttaCentral Development Trust.
Dheerayupa Sukonthapanthu   Thai translations: coordination, consultation, and text preparation.
Dilbag Bhangu   Hindi translations: support.
Dr. Mark Allon   Consultation.
Dustin Cheah   General support.
Enzo Alfano   Italian translations.
G. Radhakrishnan   General support.
Gabriel Laera   Portuguese translations: preparation and creation of Pali→Portugese dictionary.
Gia Hieu Nguyen   General support.
Handaka Vijjananda   General support.
Hero Barua   Bengali translations: support.
Indra Anggara   Indonesian translations.
Jacqueline Rodgers   Japanese translations: support.
Janaka Liyanage   Sinhala translations: text preparation and support.
John Nishinaga   Setting up VPS, managing shift from PHP to Python, IT consultant and technician.
Karel Chromovský   Czech translations.
Kumārī Jayawardena   Sinhala translations: permission to use the work by her father, A.P. de Zoysa.
Kåre A. Lie   Norwegian translations.
Maithri Panagoda   Sinhala translations: support.
Manfred Wierich   German translations: text preparation and support.
Marco A. Montava Belda and friends at Buddhismo Theravada Hispano   Pali→Spanish Dictionary.
Marcus Bingenheimer   Permission to use translations of the shorter Saṁyuktāgama, consultation.
Maria Backes   German translations: text preparation and organisation of fund-raising events.
Michael Beisert   Portuguese translations. http://www.acessoaoinsight.net/ [!]
Mukta Barua   Bengali translations: support.
Nathan Win   Burmese translations: support.
Patcharaporn Sahaponghirun   Thai translations: text preparation.
Peter van Loosbroek   Dutch translations.
Piotr Marcinow   Polish translations: text preparation.
Premalal Mirihagalla   General support.
Prof. Kobus Kruger   Afrikaans translations.
Randolph Alwis   Legal advice.
Raimund Beyerlein and Verlag Beyerlein-Steinschulte   German translations: copyrights and advice.
Sarah “Samurai” Lappin   Japanese translations: support.
Shai Schwartz   Hebrew translations.
Shikha Panjwani, Rahul Patel, and the team at Edatamine Services   Typing and markup of several Hindi texts.
Shisanu Tongchim   Thai translations: technical assistance.
Shravasti Dhammika   Geographic consultation. [withou words...]
Sirisumana Godage   Sinhala translations: support.
Štěpán Chromovský   Czech translations.
Udayan Barua   Bengali translations: support.
Vipassana Research Institute   Permission to use translations of the Mahā­satipaṭṭhāna Sutta. [Atma would doubt that such was done like it is done - free to sell http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,574.0.html]

Quote from: Russian Translation:
Translated by: баян купи-ка.

The translation is based on a number of English translations with reference to Pali:

Translation by Ven Ñāṇamoli / Ven Bodhi

Translation by Ven Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Translation by Piya Tan

License Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International [!]

Prepared for SuttaCentral by Ayya Vimala.

Quote from: French translation
Alain René Bernay

http://www.canonpali.org/ Accès au canon pali (sur la base d'un site anglais)

Traductions de textes du canon pali à partir du site en anglais  Access to Insight

Quote from: Portuguese translations
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...not that there is only a small hint that the translations have been made form ATI, there is also the Robin hood declaration:

O Dhamma, ou a verdade sobre a realidade dos fenômenos, não é algo que pertença a alguém, nem sequer ao próprio Buda, pois se trata da realidade de como as coisas na verdade são. O Buda re-descobriu essa verdade e a expôs para o mundo. O direito do Buda sobre o Dhamma é de ter alcançado a máxima realização possível dessa verdade e de ser um expoente perfeito dessa realização.

Uma pessoa que assuma qualquer direito de propriedade em relação ao Dhamma e com base nisso se dedique ao comércio desses ensinamentos estará tomando aquilo que não lhe pertence para obter um ganho financeiro. Esse tipo de atitude fere a ética Budista. Coerente com essa ética o Acesso ao Insight oferece os livros digitais em todos os seus formatos gratuitamente.

No caso de livros impressos, que são comercializados pela Bookess, os resultados financeiros das vendas são todos doados, com prioridade para os monastérios da Forest Sangha.

It simply says "You are free to steal and Buddha acknowledged it"

You can continue your research for yourself that you would no more wonder of what Atma is telling you all the time and not wonder any more about the many reaction on pure minded requests.

So what ever Dhamma in line of Dhamma was growing is bite by bite stolen and it goes and grows on. That is why Dhamma in line of Dhamma, does only grow small if even.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 01:22:21 PM »
Nearly all translations in other languages then English and German are based on ATI or Ajahn Thanissaros translations, but one would hardly find any reputation of gratitude within the meta-Datas, while even some translators had such in their originals.

In this sample case the Work is originated from Bhikkhu Bodhi, for example:

© Bhikkhu Bodhi, The Connected Discourses of the Buddha (Wisdom Publications, 2000)

This excerpt from The Connected Discourses of the Buddha by Bhikkhu Bodhi is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.

Based on the work Connected Discourses of the Buddha at Wisdom Publications.

Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at Wisdom Publications.

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While Asians are really not familiar with rights and ownership on internet and generally believe that this is a free zone, SuttaCentral Stuff and editors know it all exactly and use whom ever they can use.

And here what it has become from the original:

Last sample the Indonesian translation, added by Ayya Vimala.

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Such a corrupt undertaking is especially easy to do in Asian Countries, where the people have a lot of faith if monks or nuns approach.

Its really not difficult to see through the destructive work, leaded by wrong views and their ways of actions, that will harm not only the Sangha but the tradition as a whole for a long long time. Its a pulling the Dhamma in ways and means and finally output into A-dhamma and to give it a simply easy to consume postmodern approach, rejecting all the basics of right view. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2017, 06:58:56 PM »
Still motivating people to steal and missinterpreting the Buddha:

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would that go against "abstaining from taking what is not given"?
Only if, when you access the content, you delete the files from the original server. So no: copying is not stealing.

Wonder how much a thief can steal in this way even telling people that he do so. Its not a difficult task, like right wing parties mostly get the most votes by immigrants...

Nobody of those who see could possible help.

Atma wonders also how long it will take that Ven. Thanissaro will public correct his terrible mistake in his BMC which gives the fools food to feed.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2017, 08:37:17 AM »
And another try to give peoplp seeking for answeres honest answers.

Maybe useful to hold up right view in this topic and where ever searched in support of the dassana of the op:

["Böse Ansichten" und Hölle - "Evil views" & Hell - niyata-micchāditthi (htt p:/ /sangham.net/index.php/topic,2118.0.html)

[How to address wrong view? - Wie entgegnet man Falscher Ansicht?(htt p://sangham.net/index.php/topic,2106.0.html)

Atma is restriced to make Dhamma dana here, since it seems that serval hosts are forbidden censured by people of strong wrong view.
So it looks like you can not be safed from hell for now.

And dont think that a lay person deletes an censures... see screen shot ...which Atma still wanted to see as possibility.

Is there any censure worthy in this posts?

[Dhp 77](http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.06.bpit_en.html#s-dhp-77) and its commentary story are straight forward in this matter. Its just that nowaday it mosty would turn out in the other direction. So be carefull, its not a duty at least but just compassion.
Dhp 76 also mentioned its blessing. As for who is a good layperson the Buddha mentioned somebody who does him self and also encourages others as the best under four kind of people.
[Abhaya Sutta: To Prinz Abhaya]( http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/tipitaka/mn/mn.058.than_en.html) in regard of compassion.
Atma has a lot of suttas and explainings, since it is very importand to understand this issue especially if one still has the desire to have a good community also in future lives and to keep sociaties for next generations useful. For Nibbana honestly no duty at all, just on pavarana day for monks after the rain.

In regard of Monks, the Buddha pointed on a occation where Anattapindika once rebuked some ascetics and told his monks that such should be done from time to time by them as well.

Many people think that only when the think (accept tolerate silently) it has no karmic impact.

Maybe the talk [How to address wrong view?] makes the sociaty, community and kamma issue a little bit understandable althought the english is not improved for now.

For more you are welcome to come into the online monastery sangham.net. the window and font is very small here, makes eyes hurting after a while.

Then thinking "eyes are hurting, well, but thats something possible to take and should not hinder if there is a possibility to share dhamma and it would be good to give an indirect hint to the admin so tgat he feels urged to fix the problem so that nobody needs to have hurting eyee" and so conhinued to write on the 2,5 x 2.5 cm display without possibility to zoom thinking

The Story or Bhikkhus Assaji and Punabbasuka   

While residing at the Jetavana monastery, the Buddha uttered Verse (77) of this book, with reference to bhikkhus Assaji and Punabbasuka.

Bhikkhus Assaji and Punabbasuka and their five hundred disciples were staying at Kitagiri village. While staying there they made their living by planting flowering plants and fruit trees for gain, thus violating the rules of Fundamental Precepts for bhikkhus.

The Buddha hearing about these bhikkhus sent his two Chief Disciples Sariputta and Maha Moggallana, to stop them from committing further misconduct. To his two Chief Disciples the Buddha said, "Tell those bhikkhus not to destroy the faith and generosity of the lay disciples by misconduct and if anyone should disobey, drive him out of the monastery. Do not hesitate to do as I told you, for only fools dislike being given good advice and being forbidden to do evil."

Then the Buddha spoke in verse as follows:

Verse 77: The man of wisdom should admonish others; he should give advice and should prevent others from doing wrong; such a man is held dear by the good; he is disliked only by the bad. -[dhp 77](http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.06.bpit_en.html#s-dhp-77)

Here the link to [How to adress wrong view](http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,2106.msg9309.html#msg9309)

Quote from: Brenna, post:37, topic:4307
I'm wondering what people think about the Siladhara vinaya, due to the fact that it was established by bhikkhus for the intention of creating a new ordination lineage.

Very good (not that Bhikkus found lineages but that people see possibilities in their situation) and a perfect way, althought my person has never meet also not-monks who gave up using money but they just addopt the modern monks way of speciall gestics to do so. So many do not benefit well by not sticking with there minds and kilesas only.

Dont say its not possible to keep 10 precepts not being monk. Atma speaks not out of faith but from knowing.
Remember, maybe you had the luck, on you child hood. At this time your virtue part was maybe good or perfect and that is why you could attain jhana easily even not being tought.
In the country where my person griw up it was at this time possible for many beings to unknowingly keeping 10 precepts till even 20 or longer.

One can, when putting an effort and is willing to fight kilesas, also do it right away from now on. Some would even have the merits to be sorounded by wise people who see that a special being is now living next to them.

Try it, vinaya is not limited to monks and no need to have a organisation and social network for doing good. Actually such keeps you away from doing the fight.

I also found this picture6 of a monk smoking and feeding cats - while searching Google for "Buddhist monk with cars" - and it was too perfect not to share.
Google harms indeed.
If all people would use smoking tabak as there only sense pleasure (should not advocate even tge smallest sense pleasure) and share their food to others, the world would be very peaceful. But actually modern men likes to put stickers "not smoking" a little bit above the gas out pipe of the car or motor bike and monks without a slide of vinaya and metta use such to stay popular under those holding to sense pleasure since they love goid smell. Does Brenna know how much of his/her social support was actually financed by tax from smoking / burning a leave?
One seach click on google would proximately be equal four to five packs of leaves.

Think wise, or stay honest and critical not popular!

Quote from: sujato, post:25, topic:4307, full:true
Most rules may be dealt with through a simple procedure, and they don't mean you can't be a monk. It's normal for everyone to break some rules now and then, just like everyone breaks a road rule now and then. But what should be considered is whether the rule breaking is habitual, and whether it involves anything intrinsically unwholesome. If a monk uses money to catch a bus to teach meditation, I am not going to be critical of that. But if he uses it to buy a fleet of vintage Mercedes, well, that's different.

I don't know if you can draw any clear cut lines. For myself, I always treat monks with kindness and respect, but I don't trust them until I know them.

Actually the best would be to find out if one can trust him self.

As for the statement "using money (that incl. physical, verbal by telling to use and mental as well "do I have money left to drive bus if i would tell "i need to go there and ther"), its worthy a rebuke.

As for my person understanding its not good, akusala kamma, to respect what should be not when informed and knowing.
[Praise and Blame - Teaching by Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi](http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,979.msg3575.html#msg3575)

Its defenitly unwholesome and courses one self and many to speak of tolerance and praise acting again the Buddha and his Dhamma and yes to use one time money to use a bus out of loving it confortable (sense pleasure and greed) is not so harmful as to say using money is ok for this and that own thought of what is good putting ones ideas above sila.

And yes, the discussion of what is ok to effort using trade will never find an end but those who have not giving up using it will argue so that it can fit to/for them selves.

Cambodian Folktale "[Great Hermit Saves the Tiger](http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,370.msg820.html#msg820)" where the basements of judgment (chandāgati, bhayāgati, dosāgati, lophāgati, Mohāgati and sugatigamanam) are mentioned in a great way.

Following the hypocrisy ways of not using money it how ever strangely possible to effort mercedes ...

Tha is why Vinaya and sila have no other way as to bring one to Abhidhamma in one self but as Ajahn Mun said: Dhammo have rakkhati dammacāri

My person would have a nice story in a high recommented monastery about using money while being famouse for not using it or being better as other monks. Maybe I can retell and record it but since not using money, my person has to carry desired sand for desired kuti now for him self. Would be easier if using it and we could meet even without letting go of this and that...

Not using money makes really free, try it! Especially from gross defilements.


Quote from: Cara, post:24, topic:4307
I guess my thoughts turn to Vinaya reform, because if no-one can keep it, what's the point?
First that one does not have much faith in the three gems
Secound that one holds wrong view "there are no who have gained rightousness"
Third point is that the Vinaya is exclusively made for you (every single person him/herself) and if noone can, you actually could, but maybe also dont like and prefer to pull others also down to your level.

Dont worry, or better you still need to worry, there are some who do and that is why there is nothing increasing faith more then people doing the path.
So when willing to make a better world do it your self. But it might be that you dont like.


And since dhamma dana is not proper for people with wrong view and goes against their trade and since even a defilet mind needs justification it has been stolen derived with the argument of:

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If one acts on this one can be sure to be at least banned since a fool would never agree having done a misdeed but kills what ever would let it look like a fault.

And a trader would always act so that his costomer are pleased. That is why leaders of wordlings if they like to stay leader always need to kill to keep there business growing. Transgressing in the name of even the Buddha Dhamma Sangha, killing them for their sake...
Such things are usually done hidding behind such as "the community" ignoring also the own responsibility for ones actions sticking to wrong view.

The Buddha told well about the reason why people are interested in splitting and censuring and the foremost was that the "own community" would not know about ones faults. So only people of no virtue have fear and that fear has reason. Either fear of critic and even more fear that kamma will anyhow rippen. That is why people with wrong view justyfy means which transgress basic rules of not taking life, not taking what is not given, speaking and act so that the truth will stay hidden.

One can not help others out before they dont want to be helped out and its mostly better to carry sand up the hill and live free without banning censuring and defending since such deeds out of wrong view would have their impacts either.

Just if people wonder why there are less to no links in the "Buddhist world of traders in Buddha Dhamma Sangha" into here.
Its sounds very over self-esteeming but how blessed must one be to find out of the samsara wheel and its links and those who are afraid tgat one could escape.

Tiny chances for many in the future having nurished what will kill of the path, some knowingly some unknowingly.

Wonder if a adept to liberate a monks slave would be a fault either. Thought a little, actually yes. So its really not easy but makes you more free knowing no chance for now after you put an effort into compassion and generosity.

When taking distance and simply watching this its somehow like Tom and Jerry, isn't it? So the dog do good to just watch at his hut.

Like always not shared to claim any view of just but to give you impression of the great luck and great misfortune beings have and that Buddhas teachings, wheather you are on the shine or dark side for now could lead you out if you make a right effort in accordiance of right view and that one should not think he/she knows already who walks the path as long as not having reached the path for one self.

May those who have the possibility to take Dhamma find another and everywhere the good Dhamma even on this silent account in this huge Samsara.

Train where ever you are for now for you liberation heedful!
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Maybe its possible to do not stick automatical post, community and lay mans deeds to the avatar of a Bhikkhu or Monk if its not on his behave. Very importand and goog deed fixing such if.

Quote from: while Account is now on hold... lets look how people ly and act further
Quote from: Vstakan, post:67, topic:4307
I don't know, looks like the negative opinion about monks smoking is largely culturally conditioned

No, its not cultural but modern. Since people are not able to reduce sense pleasure and take on virtues they seek in disregarding there way to keep themselve good looking and better.
On the other side there are people thinking a person could be an Arahat still smoking.

The picture shows a person in a moment of great great, enjoying sense pleasure in an amount that it is also seen in his face.

Just for information: the Buddha allowed smoking (most possible for health and as medicine), it was obiviously so normal we today still in remoted areas, that he even allowed to have sets of pipes, page that the pips dont get broken...)

And Account deleted... no need to talk about respect if things may look like critic.

Fools, no way to make them change their ways and start to keep precepts.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2017, 06:21:13 PM »
Holly molly...

That reminds on a speach of a Prime Minister or better the minister of defent talking to the Volk in Wartimes, justify victims and transgressions of the soldiers.
There is really nothing to say that is equal Buddhists hypocrisy and blessings after transgressing lying, stealing, killing...

Who could ever help a folk on its way to much suffering? There would be all kind of information from outside blocked. Of course the first part of this soldier blessing is actually right and that is how people use it for their politic. Not so smart people take it as it is.

Usuall call for metta after transgressions as if that would chance the kammas results or make people understand metta when not using it to prevent from akusala kamma.

Quote from: General Vimala
Today's world has become ever more divided. There is anger and hatred from both sides and it is not surprising that those frustrations sometimes also leak into this forum. It is then important for all of us to remember the Buddha's teachings.

Anger is a bad adviser, it clouds our thinking. It is not another person or a group that is our enemy. Our enemy is hatred itself. Anger makes us blind, we cannot see and we cannot fly. We feel self-righteous, unable to see the truth, unable to see that anger and hatred cannot be fought with anger and hatred, but only with love, compassion and understanding. We should refuse to be roused to anger, than we remain free of mistakes ourselves and only then can we fight injustice coming from the right place. Only when we speak kinds words, with true metta, will our message be heard; anger only creates negativity.

We are called to keep still in the face of our own anger, not to vent it out to others on the outside, but to recognize it for what it is: our own anger, inside ourselves. Others are never the cause of our anger, we ourselves are. The first person we hurt with anger is ourselves. If we can see this, and if we can see the anger inside of us with some equanimity, then slowly it will begin to dissipate and we can let compassion into our hearts.

Our moderator team is doing a great job and I recognize that it is not always so easy. When stepping in the way of anger, anger might turn towards them. Of course we all have our views and opinions and that is fine, but let's all try to remember that the mods are there for a purpose, to keep this forum a safe place for us to come and feel supported, a haven where we can refuel before going back out into the world, a place where we are reminded of the Buddha's teachings and use them in our everyday lives. It might not always be so easy, but lets try to keep right speech, free from blaming and free from anger.

So then, let the Maras heaven be and continue like it is.

Maybe this Sutta would be good for Buddhist and their Nationdefenders (moderators), a perfect Sutta for people not free from ill-will and caught by thoughts of "me", "mine", "dear":

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Aghata Sutta: Hatred

"There are these ten ways of subduing hatred. Which ten?

[1] "Thinking, 'He has done me harm. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[2] "Thinking, 'He is doing me harm. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[3] "Thinking, 'He is going to do me harm. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[4] "Thinking, 'He has done harm to people who are dear & pleasing to me. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[5] "Thinking, 'He is doing harm to people who are dear & pleasing to me. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[6] "Thinking, 'He is going to do harm to people who are dear & pleasing to me. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[7] "Thinking, 'He has aided people who are not dear or pleasing to me. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[8] "Thinking, 'He is aiding people who are not dear or pleasing to me. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[9] "Thinking, 'He is going to aid people who are not dear or pleasing to me. But what should I expect?' one subdues hatred.

[10] "One does not get worked up over impossibilities.

"These are ten ways of subduing hatred."
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Sadhu, auch jenen, die ihn morgen, auch Chinesisches Neujahrsfest, begehen, einhalten.


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Sadhu! Mag er fruchtvoll verlaufen sein. Gerade wieder Möglichkeit erhalten, in dieser Welt hier beizutragen.


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Meinereiner ist so schnell ie noch nie genesen. Die Symptome des Befalls nur 2 Tage, und die üblichen 5 Tage um das Medikament zu überstehen. Atma ist gerade wohl auf und auch das ist wie für alle nicht sicher. Nutze den Tag heißt vorallem über Alter, Krankheit und Tod, wie Alternative z


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Atma war, aus irgend einem Grund, fest überzeugt, das gestern Uposatha sein sollte, trotzdem er am Almosengang gar Laien in Wat ziehen sah (denkend, gut auch heute an punna teilzunehmen). Selbigem Thema gegegnend, sah Atma nach und mußte feststellen, das bereits der 16. war. So zu diesem Ausmaß (


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Also hier spricht man nun schon von Wiedergeburt 2018.


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