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Author Topic: Structur of CSCD-Pali files and Translations  (Read 199 times)

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Structur of CSCD-Pali files and Translations
« on: March 08, 2017, 07:31:51 AM »
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Valued Sangha Supporter, Members and spontanious visitors here,

Guess its good to use this Khmer subforum, since most possibility here is given by daily support of faithful very simple people in remote country side, mostly dedicating alms food for their future and ancestors and one coming across should see it as a gift of them, you childs, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters.

While they do so, they trust that a long existence of the good following Sangha will be for the benefit for their death beloved to meet the teaching maybe later still existing and also for themself, since they think that they need to accumulate more paramies.

Note that there is no direct support for all this work and not a little back trade in hope to reveice anything. So no hero work for the world, but a hero seeing dedication for Nibbana, with the tripple Gems.

And since Sangha of Vinaya will hardly ever meet each other in this outside world in the futhure, they will hardly have any so importand excange and righouts access to each other and the secound juwel soon.

This works are not for those who have chosen to make their tripps in the world and live at ease, accessing all they what and markets. Please be aware of that. They can by and order anything they need to make a benefical livelihood out of exchange.

Atma just thinks about how best stuctured in regard of languages, script, permissions...

The Pali, as the request was, of the CSCD is not meant to be general public (see Anumodana ) but for this groups:

- Administator
- Aramika
- Aramikini
- Global Aramika
- Global Aramikini
- Samana
- Samaneri
- Bhikkhu
- Bhikkhuni
- Senior Bhikkhu
- Senior Bhikkhuni
- Administrator Bhikkhu


(If lay people wish to learn Pali or study the texts without those who tried to deliver it till here, that is not the main purpose and as we know was'nt the Buddha happy to see if lay people learn form the Bhikkus directy the heart wood and so lose respect and do not see the value and sacrify of a live of renounciation any more and no need to provide them, since they have all integrated in other systems aside of the economy of generousity)

Of course it is good to make the Indexes general public, like Atma started some years ago till "SN" where one can also follow the way to the Donors public store and where they need to look after duties and gratitude as well of asking or just taking by themselves.

Not so with the translation, many Bhikkhus dedicared to give good explainings and techings on the Dhamma so that everybody in every language can understand.

* Johann : just looked at the Categories and it looks like as if it has been structured for roman and khmer. Oh no, short name pi_kh for Khmer mula in Pali. And Atma thinks that it is perfect to also use roman script, but maybe always behind the main script.

So the idea, maybe (miss) insired by Atma before, means that we have the whole list of categories for each script.

For later use with the short name should be no problem, also if uploaded via the database directy if the datas are well prepeared. If one does it like Atma started, one runs in concentration conflicts, thinking on scrolling each article after it category.

How ever, to find a starting point: The single vaggas or files, for example sut.an.06 would get a link for pi_kh like this: http ://sangham.net/index.php/page,sut.an.06.v1_pi_kh.html - v12_pi_kh.html not like the old the same like the CSCD files, since iys really difficult to know what is behind.

For Roman, Thai... it would just be ...pi_ro.html ...pi_th.html ... befor the end.

The since titel and Sutta will be reached over achors which would look like.

http ://sangham.net/index.php/page,sut.an.06.v1_pi_kh.html#sv1
...#ssv1
...#s001
...#s002
...#s003
http ://sangham.net/index.php/page,sut.an.06.v1_pi_kh.html #s004
for sut.an.06.004 , ៤. ពលសុត្តំ, 4. Balasuttaṃ

Not sure if a anchor with more info would be better, like before: #an06.4. The reference to make it most automatic is just a "name"-id refering to the paragraph. Still easy in AN but in other Nikayas much more away from one § one sutta.

Note and not forget, to make redirects for all old linked links in the server file. Atma will put old links into the lists.

This anchors have to be implimented into the html transformed files, original xml files.

So there are many back and forward steps that will bring every structur problem into light.

The Categories, not sure if nessesary to display all files, or just make indexes in each caregorie visible.

That would mean that we have only one list for Pali and one for translations of categories with shortnames like:

Variante 1

tipitaka
↓              ti_pi↴ (index for chosing script) public
↓              sut ↴ (Index in each script) public
↓              sut.an↴ (Index in each script) public ↝ links to "privat" public CSCD
↓              sut.an.06 → (Index in each script) +files (all scripts) world sangha CSCD, not public and independent maintainable for Sangha use.

  →ti_trpublic
          sut ↴ (Index in each script) public
          sut.an↴ (Index in each script) public
          sut.an.06 →  files (all scripts) public

The commentaries would be fine to have similar structur. Like atta.sutta..., so its easy to crosslink.

Since the categories are at this point merely importand for the admin and those implementing, it would be maybe enough to have the in roman, but ok for now, since we start with Khmer a new.

Another possibility would be to make just language categories:

Variante 2

tipitakapublic with all indexes, language based primary over use language
pi_kh world sangha CSCD, not public and independent maintainable for Sangha use.
↓ →   pi_ro world sangha CSCD, not public and independent maintainable for Sangha use.
↓ →   pi_th world sangha CSCD, not public and independent maintainable for Sangha use.
↓ .... what ever script we/ better you, have been given for the Sangha.

↓ →   kh public
↓ →   en public   →  possible php file fetching the content in each file from the forums data base/or topic
↓  →  de public
... what ever language is given as Dhamma Dana in with Dhamma for the Sangha and there followers and not for sale in any case and allowed and welcomed to bring it step by step in the CS structur with feedback to it as well.

What is possible with different maybe still not in public domain national Tioitakas in Pali, like the Khmer, not sure for now and it is and will be different althought that it looks like if all this is included in CSCD. Nations and "their" Sangha have not generally followed the meeting corrections, as far visible for Atma.

and do all over index or even over block and "smart" menues. Another good thing here is, that it would be easier to make language specific blocks for menues, searches... what ever and no horrible categorie structur. Of course there is not much automatical simple linking and much work in doing the blocks language specific but a thing that would make the whole forum more accessable and gives a lot of oppotunities.

Note: All should be hear to serve the Sangha and not for own or same kind interest, since such is of low benefit lead automatical to sg13 and having slaves of householder not liberation seek monks dependig on their generosity and space in this world. Nobody should be here in working aspect something else from the Sanghas members as to strive for their liberation and Arahatship and that this possibility will be for you also in coming to the juwels, it needs a cause for the Sangha to be next and able to live by keeping Vinaya as it is good to reach rightous liberation. It might be that there are sooner or later some who are willing to help with critic and encouragement, out of compassion, but if we espect anything aside of their duties and its not to be social worker therapeut weekend relax helper... but next to practice you field for making merits and not depts. (Its always good to keep that focus)

What do you think is the better variate?

Not sure for now, but with redirects or other tricks suttas could be also foung in ways like sangham.net/an06_en.html and if possible such javas like in glossary mod it could be "easy" fetched like Johann (@ Johann) maybe with "~an06004" and chose menu with titel... (not think that Atma will learn all that stuff please, just ideas)

Atma tends to the "database" like, with just language categories to have the possibility to use all like it is given.

Please put in every critic and idea as if you would need to do it all your self and for your gods, near and far.

At least the givers have put much trust and Saddhā into all of their sacrifies, so as all of you would need.

Please feel also invited to help with voting and maybe share thoughts.

At least, if any Ven. Member of the Sangha of the Bhikkhus, what ever biths or specific school, likes to help with his compassion, please feel invited and supported with the given possibilities here.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2017, 08:20:06 AM by Johann »
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