* * *

Tipitaka Khmer

 Please feel welcome to join the transcription project of the Tipitaka translation in khmer, and share one of your favorite Sutta or more. Simply click here or visit the Forum: 

Search ATI on ZzE

Zugang zur Einsicht - Schriften aus der Theravada Tradition



Access to Insight / Zugang zur Einsicht: Dhamma-Suche auf mehr als 4000 Webseiten (deutsch / english) - ohne zu googeln, andere Ressourcen zu nehmen, weltliche Verpflichtungen einzugehen. Sie sind für den Zugang zur Einsicht herzlich eingeladen diese Möglichkeit zu nutzen. (Info)

Random Sutta
Random Article
Random Jataka

Zufälliges Sutta
Zufälliger Artikel
Zufälliges Jataka


Arbeits/Work Forum ZzE

"Dhammatalks.org":
[logo dhammatalks.org]
Random Talk
[pic 30]

Recent Topics

[April 22, 2018, 06:35:55 PM]

[April 22, 2018, 06:31:53 PM]

[April 22, 2018, 08:36:46 AM]

[April 22, 2018, 02:50:05 AM]

[April 22, 2018, 12:00:32 AM]

[April 21, 2018, 01:59:19 PM]

[April 21, 2018, 12:43:05 PM]

[April 21, 2018, 12:20:10 PM]

[April 20, 2018, 03:07:17 PM]

[April 20, 2018, 02:56:41 PM]

[April 18, 2018, 12:27:55 PM]

[April 18, 2018, 12:26:00 PM]

[April 18, 2018, 12:18:31 PM]

[April 18, 2018, 06:06:52 AM]

[April 18, 2018, 01:13:09 AM]

[April 17, 2018, 04:41:05 PM]

[April 17, 2018, 03:23:52 PM]

[April 16, 2018, 06:18:51 PM]

[April 16, 2018, 12:47:32 AM]

[April 15, 2018, 12:28:06 PM]

[April 15, 2018, 09:39:03 AM]

[April 15, 2018, 12:35:32 AM]

[April 14, 2018, 04:18:33 AM]

[April 14, 2018, 02:12:07 AM]

[April 13, 2018, 07:31:39 PM]

[April 13, 2018, 06:17:55 PM]

[April 13, 2018, 05:31:59 AM]

[April 12, 2018, 06:15:00 AM]

[April 12, 2018, 02:58:27 AM]

[April 11, 2018, 02:57:48 PM]

[April 11, 2018, 12:04:07 PM]

[April 11, 2018, 02:54:59 AM]

[April 09, 2018, 06:00:29 PM]

[April 09, 2018, 05:42:37 PM]

[April 09, 2018, 09:24:34 AM]

[April 09, 2018, 02:48:32 AM]

[April 09, 2018, 02:29:31 AM]

[April 07, 2018, 05:19:05 PM]

[April 04, 2018, 03:08:45 PM]

[April 04, 2018, 10:55:42 AM]

[April 04, 2018, 05:40:16 AM]

[April 04, 2018, 04:56:37 AM]

[April 04, 2018, 02:40:07 AM]

[April 02, 2018, 01:22:37 PM]

[April 02, 2018, 11:55:40 AM]

[April 02, 2018, 07:18:56 AM]

[April 02, 2018, 06:49:19 AM]

[April 01, 2018, 08:41:01 AM]

[April 01, 2018, 06:06:15 AM]

[April 01, 2018, 04:33:03 AM]

Author Topic: [Sutta] sut.an.04.080 Kambojasutta (Erarbeiteter Reichtum)  (Read 626 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Johann

  • Samanera
  • Very Engaged Member
  • *
  • Sadhu! or +339/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • Date of ordination/Datum der Ordination.: 20140527
Unterlagen für die Übersetzung:

Pali aus CSCD:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

10. Kambojasuttaṃ

80. Ekaṃ samayaṃ bhagavā kosambiyaṃ viharati ghositārāme. Atha kho āyasmā ānando yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṃ abhivādetvā ekamantaṃ nisīdi. Ekamantaṃ nisinno kho āyasmā ānando bhagavantaṃ etadavoca –

‘‘Ko nu kho, bhante, hetu ko paccayo, yena mātugāmo neva sabhāyaṃ nisīdati, na kammantaṃ payojeti, na kambojaṃ gacchatī’’ti? ‘‘Kodhano, ānanda, mātugāmo; issukī, ānanda, mātugāmo; maccharī , ānanda, mātugāmo; duppañño, ānanda, mātugāmo – ayaṃ kho , ānanda, hetu ayaṃ paccayo, yena mātugāmo neva sabhāyaṃ nisīdati, na kammantaṃ payojeti, na kambojaṃ gacchatī’’ti. Dasamaṃ.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

10. Kambojasuttaṃ

In Kosambiya


80. At one time the Blessed One was living in Gosita's monastery in Kosambiya. Venerable Ānanda approached the Blessed One, worshipped, sat on a side and said: "Venerable sir, what is the reason that women neither come to the limelight, nor doing an industry see its benefits?"

"Ānanda, women are hateful, jealous, miserly and lack wisdom, as a result they neither come to the limelight, nor do an industry and see its benefits."

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

កម្ពោជសូត្រ ទី១០*
(ភោគ​សម្បត្គិការងារ??)*


[៨១] សម័យមួយ ព្រះដ៏មានព្រះភាគ ស្តេចគង់នៅក្នុងឃោសិតារាម ទៀប​ក្រុង​កោសម្ពី។ គ្រានោះ ព្រះអានន្ទដ៏មានអាយុ ចូលទៅគាល់ព្រះដ៏មានព្រះភាគ លុះចូល​ទៅដល់ហើយ ក៏ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះដ៏មានព្រះភាគ ហើយគង់ក្នុងទីដ៏សមគួរ។ លុះ​ព្រះអានន្ទ​ដ៏មានអាយុ គង់នៅក្នុងទីដ៏សមគួរហើយ ទើបក្រាបបង្គំ​ទូលព្រះដ៏មានព្រះភាគ ដោយពាក្យដូច្នេះថា បពិត្រព្រះអង្គដ៏ចំរើន ហេតុដូចម្តេច បច្ច័យដូចម្តេច ដែល​នាំ​ឲ្យ​មាតុគ្រាម មិនបានអង្គុយក្នុងសភា មិនបានប្រកបការងារ (ធំ ៗ) មិនសម្រេច នូវភោគ​សម្បត្គិ ដែលកើតអំពីការងារបាន។ ម្នាលអានន្ទ មាតុគ្រាមហៃក្រោធ មា្នលអានន្ទ មាតុគ្រាមហៃឫស្សា មា្នលអានន្ទ មាតុគ្រាមហៃកំណាញ់ ម្នាលអានន្ទ មាតុគ្រាម​អប្បប្រាជ្ញា។ ម្នាលអានន្ទ នេះជាហេតុ នេះជាបច្ច័យ ដែលនាំឲ្យមាតុគ្រាម មិន​បាន​ចូល​ទៅ​អង្គុយក្នុងសភា មិនបានប្រកបការងារ (ធំ ៗ) មិនសម្រេចនូវភោគសម្បត្គិ ដែល​កើត​អំពីការងារបាន។
[/lpi]

Diskussion: មាតុគាម mātugāma - woman generally?

Choun Nat Wörterbuch

PTS-dictionary online



Übersetzungen:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa


Kambojasutta - Selbsterarbeiteter Reichtum

Zu einer Begebenheit verweilte der Befreite in Ghositas Kloster in Kosambiya. Da ging der Ehrw. Ānanda zum Freizügigen, und sich vor ihm verneigt, setzte er sich passend an eine Seite. Passend an einer Seite sitzend, sprach er zum Freizügigen:

"Ehrwürdiger Herr, was ist die Ursache, was ist der Grund, das eine Frau weder den Vorsitz führt, noch große Unternehmungen betreibt, und zu keinem üppigen Reichtum aus eigener Arbeit gelangt?"

"Ānanda, eine Frau ist zornig, Ānanda, eine Frau ist eifersüchtig, Ānanda, eine Frau ist knausrig, Ānanda, eine Frauen hat eingeschränkte Weisheit. Dieses ist der Grund, dieses ist die Ursache,  warum eine Frau weder den Vorsitz führt, noch große Unternehmungen betreibt, und zu keinem üppigen Reichtum aus eigener Arbeit gelangt.

Quote from: Übersetzung ins Deutsch von Samana Johann

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Kambojasutta - Abundance by own work

At one occasion the Liberal One was dwelling in Ghosita's monastery in Kosambiya. Then Ven. Ānanda went to the Liberal One and having payed respect he sat down properly on one side. Sitting properly on one side, he said to the Liberal One:

"Ven.Sir, what is the reason, what is the cause, that a woman neither are in chair, nor lead big undertakings, and do not gain abundant by own accord?"

"Ānanda, a woman is wrathful, Ānanda, a woman is jealous, Ānanda, a woman is stingy, Ānanda, a woman has limitated wisdom. That is the reason, what is the cause, why a woman is neither in chair, nor leads big undertakings, and does not gain abundant by own accord."
Quote from: Translation into English by Samana Johann
This post and Content has come to be by Dhamma-Dana and so is given as it       Dhamma-Dana: Johann

Offline Johann

  • Samanera
  • Very Engaged Member
  • *
  • Sadhu! or +339/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • Date of ordination/Datum der Ordination.: 20140527
Re: [Sutta] sut.an.04.080 Kambojasutta (Erarbeiteter Reichtum)
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 06:25:48 AM »
Quote from: Pali Proper Names Dic.
In the Assalāyana Sutta (MN.ii.149) it is stated that in Yona and in Kamboja, and also in the neighbouring countries, there were, in the Buddha’s time, only two classes of people, masters and slaves, and that a master could become a slave or vice versa. Elsewhere Kamboja is mentioned as a place not visited by women of other countries. (AN.ii.82)

PTS book/page AN ii 82 = AN 4.80

MN ii 149 = MN 93

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

..."Even though Master Gotama says that, still the brahmans think, 'Brahmans are the superior caste... the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma.'"

"What do you think, Assalayana? Have you heard that in Yana & Kamboja and other outlying countries there are only two castes — masters & slaves — and that having been a master one (can) become a slave, and that having been a slave one (can) become a master?"

"Yes, Master Gotama..."

"So what strength is there, Assalayana, what assurance, when the brahmans say, 'Brahmans are the superior caste... the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma'?"

"Even though Master Gotama says that, still the brahmans think, 'Brahmans are the superior caste... the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma.'"

"What do you think, Assalayana? Is it only a noble warrior who — taking life, stealing, engaging in sexual misconduct, telling lies, speaking divisively, speaking harshly, engaging in idle chatter, greedy, bearing thoughts of ill will, and holding wrong views — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappears in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell, and not a brahman? Is it only a merchant...? Is it only a worker who — taking life, stealing, engaging in sexual misconduct, telling lies, speaking divisively, speaking harshly, engaging in idle chatter, greedy, bearing thoughts of ill will, and holding wrong views — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappears in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell, and not a brahman?"

"No, Master Gotama. Even a noble warrior... Even a brahman... Even a merchant... Even a worker... (Members of) all four castes — if they take life, steal, engage in sexual misconduct, tell lies, speak divisively, speak harshly, engage in idle chatter, are greedy, bear thoughts of ill will, & hold wrong views — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappear in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell."...
Quote from: MN93

 
This post and Content has come to be by Dhamma-Dana and so is given as it       Dhamma-Dana: Johann

Tags:
 
11 Guests, 0 Users
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 23, 2018, 03:49:06 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Talkbox

 

Johann

April 22, 2018, 09:11:17 AM
Sadhu!
 

Sophorn

April 22, 2018, 08:40:14 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
May every being be happy and free from dukkha.
May many renew their vows in silas today.   :-* :-* :-*
 

Danilo

April 15, 2018, 12:43:25 AM
Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

April 15, 2018, 12:38:56 AM
Nyom Danilo.
 

Johann

April 12, 2018, 10:05:15 AM
Moritz
 

Moritz

April 12, 2018, 08:34:11 AM
Namasakara, Bhante. _/\_
 

Moritz

April 10, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
Hello.
 

Johann

April 10, 2018, 01:09:20 PM
Nyom. (Sideboad ist stets zugeklappt... tech. Probl.) 3:00 ist auch schon guten Tag.
 

Moritz

April 10, 2018, 03:06:49 AM
Good day (night here)
_/\_
 

Moritz

April 10, 2018, 02:54:42 AM
Namasakara, Bhante. _/\_
 

Johann

April 09, 2018, 09:43:17 AM
Take your time Nyom Danilo and watch the breath to stay best calm for best benefit. A lot of chances to get ride of many ols burdens.
 

Danilo

April 08, 2018, 06:24:57 PM
_/\_
 

Johann

April 08, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
Nyom Danilo.
 

Marcel

April 08, 2018, 09:58:59 AM
sadhu!
 

Johann

April 08, 2018, 07:35:17 AM
Sadhu!
 

Moritz

April 08, 2018, 06:13:54 AM
Good Uposatha to all. _/\_
 

Marcel

April 01, 2018, 06:17:08 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

March 31, 2018, 07:13:47 PM
Nyom Jens.
 

Johann

March 31, 2018, 10:11:20 AM
Sadhu!
 

Marcel

March 31, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
 :-* ich wünsche allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha  :-*
 

Johann

March 27, 2018, 06:44:11 PM
Atma zieht sich hier nun zurück. Möge sich Vollkommenheit einstellen.
 

Johann

March 27, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
Nyom Binocular.
 

Johann

March 27, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Nyom Jens.
 

Johann

March 27, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
Brahmane Hanspeter.
 

Johann

March 27, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
Moritz, mag sich Vollendung ergeben. (Chamreun bo)
 

Moritz

March 27, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
Chom reap sour. _/\_
 

Moritz

March 27, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

March 26, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Nyom Binocular.

my person will leave for today and rests. There have been left some hard challenges (sure for many). May they be releasing taken and increase conviction.
 

Johann

March 25, 2018, 01:40:14 PM
Gute Antwort. Sadhu!
 

Marcel

March 25, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
 :-* :-* :-*

beste wünsche zurück an erhwürdigen bhante! es ist unsicher wann ich wieder komme! upanissayapaccayena!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

March 25, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Marcel.
(Heute im Nordkloster, best wünsche vom Abt dort, er fragt stets "Wann kommt er? Ich muß immer an ihn denken."
 

Johann

March 24, 2018, 10:44:34 AM
Sadhu!
 

Marcel

March 24, 2018, 09:52:48 AM
 :-* heute ist uposatha!! ich wünsche allen ein verdienstvollen tag! mögen die devas jene bescheid geben, die kein zugang haben! :-*
 

Johann

March 23, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
Sadhu! Zu was immer einer Zuflucht nimmt, sich hingibt, daran erfreut, das wird/ist sein Schutz, für Bindung oder Ungebundenheit.
 

Marcel

March 23, 2018, 01:43:01 AM
 :-* möge die drei juwelen den ehrwürdigen bhante beschützen und ihn auf seinem weg unterstützen :-*
 

Johann

March 23, 2018, 01:28:02 AM
Kampf der Devas mit den Asuras um den Berg. :)
 

Johann

March 23, 2018, 01:26:30 AM
Regenzeit... außen trüb und unangenehm, nagend, faulend, doch dahinter ist alles fein.
 

Marcel

March 23, 2018, 01:10:47 AM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, ja soweit alles gut! und wie geht es ihnen?  :-*
 

Johann

March 23, 2018, 12:58:05 AM
verlesen... Marcel :) alles gut im (ver)laufen?
 

Johann

March 23, 2018, 12:26:23 AM
Moritz
 

Administration

March 21, 2018, 03:42:55 PM
Sadhu!
 

Marcel

March 21, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
 :-* mögen sie alle noch in diesem leben das herz von avijja befreien!!! :-*
 

Johann

March 19, 2018, 05:20:12 AM
This "wiki"-like backup tool is meant as a outwardy insurance that one does not be afraid that anything possible good can be desroyed or made bad while looking for cleaning it. So worry at all, kamma does not dissapear. No need to fear to make good deeds, knowing that.
 

Johann

March 19, 2018, 04:03:35 AM
And there is no intention to just make a museum out of a working and concentration camp, since the Dhamma can not be understood by just looking on forms but by learning and experiance skillful deeds.
 

Johann

March 19, 2018, 04:00:47 AM
Post-history: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1164.0.html (but there is no notification system). My person uses to make a @mention , off topic "/me" in the OP.
 

Johann

March 19, 2018, 03:49:28 AM
Or to simply make a new post. No need to be shy in doing good things. It's not a museum, it's a working and concentration place. Mudita.
 

Johann

March 19, 2018, 03:47:57 AM
There is such as a "wiki" backup function in all posts, Nyom Danilo. Good is to use the mention option, at the places where making changes @Johann , that it gets not "lost".
 

Danilo

March 19, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
I have a backup of the original post in any case. I might review the second post next time. Very insightful teaching. _/\_
 

Danilo

March 19, 2018, 03:01:35 AM
I've recently fixed many words and sentences of the first post of the thread "Debts, but to whom?". It take me some time trying to figure out the meaning of some sentences. So it would be good if Bhante could check if the original intended meaning of the post still intact. I have a backup of the ori
 

Danilo

March 19, 2018, 01:57:28 AM
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Show 50 latest
Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 14163
  • Total Topics: 2736
  • Online Today: 18
  • Online Ever: 90
  • (September 25, 2014, 05:26:29 AM)
Users Online
Users: 0
Guests: 11
Total: 11