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Unterlagen für die Übersetzung:

Pali aus CSCD:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

10. Kambojasuttaṃ

80. Ekaṃ samayaṃ bhagavā kosambiyaṃ viharati ghositārāme. Atha kho āyasmā ānando yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṃ abhivādetvā ekamantaṃ nisīdi. Ekamantaṃ nisinno kho āyasmā ānando bhagavantaṃ etadavoca –

‘‘Ko nu kho, bhante, hetu ko paccayo, yena mātugāmo neva sabhāyaṃ nisīdati, na kammantaṃ payojeti, na kambojaṃ gacchatī’’ti? ‘‘Kodhano, ānanda, mātugāmo; issukī, ānanda, mātugāmo; maccharī , ānanda, mātugāmo; duppañño, ānanda, mātugāmo – ayaṃ kho , ānanda, hetu ayaṃ paccayo, yena mātugāmo neva sabhāyaṃ nisīdati, na kammantaṃ payojeti, na kambojaṃ gacchatī’’ti. Dasamaṃ.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

10. Kambojasuttaṃ

In Kosambiya


80. At one time the Blessed One was living in Gosita's monastery in Kosambiya. Venerable Ānanda approached the Blessed One, worshipped, sat on a side and said: "Venerable sir, what is the reason that women neither come to the limelight, nor doing an industry see its benefits?"

"Ānanda, women are hateful, jealous, miserly and lack wisdom, as a result they neither come to the limelight, nor do an industry and see its benefits."

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

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Übersetzungen:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa


Kambojasutta - Selbsterarbeiteter Reichtum

Zu einer Begebenheit verweilte der Befreite in Ghositas Kloster in Kosambiya. Da ging der Ehrw. Ānanda zum Freizügigen, und sich vor ihm verneigt, setzte er sich passend an eine Seite. Passend an einer Seite sitzend, sprach er zum Freizügigen:

"Ehrwürdiger Herr, was ist die Ursache, was ist der Grund, das eine Frau weder den Vorsitz führt, noch große Unternehmungen betreibt, und zu keinem üppigen Reichtum aus eigener Arbeit gelangt?"

"Ānanda, eine Frau ist zornig, Ānanda, eine Frau ist eifersüchtig, Ānanda, eine Frau ist knausrig, Ānanda, eine Frauen hat eingeschränkte Weisheit. Dieses ist der Grund, dieses ist die Ursache,  warum eine Frau weder den Vorsitz führt, noch große Unternehmungen betreibt, und zu keinem üppigen Reichtum aus eigener Arbeit gelangt.

Quote from: Übersetzung ins Deutsch von Samana Johann

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Kambojasutta - Abundance by own work

At one occasion the Liberal One was dwelling in Ghosita's monastery in Kosambiya. Then Ven. Ānanda went to the Liberal One and having payed respect he sat down properly on one side. Sitting properly on one side, he said to the Liberal One:

"Ven.Sir, what is the reason, what is the cause, that a woman neither are in chair, nor lead big undertakings, and do not gain abundant by own accord?"

"Ānanda, a woman is wrathful, Ānanda, a woman is jealous, Ānanda, a woman is stingy, Ānanda, a woman has limitated wisdom. That is the reason, what is the cause, why a woman is neither in chair, nor leads big undertakings, and does not gain abundant by own accord."
Quote from: Translation into English by Samana Johann
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Re: [Sutta] sut.an.04.080 Kambojasutta (Erarbeiteter Reichtum)
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 06:25:48 AM »
Quote from: Pali Proper Names Dic.
In the Assalāyana Sutta (MN.ii.149) it is stated that in Yona and in Kamboja, and also in the neighbouring countries, there were, in the Buddha’s time, only two classes of people, masters and slaves, and that a master could become a slave or vice versa. Elsewhere Kamboja is mentioned as a place not visited by women of other countries. (AN.ii.82)

PTS book/page AN ii 82 = AN 4.80

MN ii 149 = MN 93

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

..."Even though Master Gotama says that, still the brahmans think, 'Brahmans are the superior caste... the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma.'"

"What do you think, Assalayana? Have you heard that in Yana & Kamboja and other outlying countries there are only two castes — masters & slaves — and that having been a master one (can) become a slave, and that having been a slave one (can) become a master?"

"Yes, Master Gotama..."

"So what strength is there, Assalayana, what assurance, when the brahmans say, 'Brahmans are the superior caste... the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma'?"

"Even though Master Gotama says that, still the brahmans think, 'Brahmans are the superior caste... the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma.'"

"What do you think, Assalayana? Is it only a noble warrior who — taking life, stealing, engaging in sexual misconduct, telling lies, speaking divisively, speaking harshly, engaging in idle chatter, greedy, bearing thoughts of ill will, and holding wrong views — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappears in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell, and not a brahman? Is it only a merchant...? Is it only a worker who — taking life, stealing, engaging in sexual misconduct, telling lies, speaking divisively, speaking harshly, engaging in idle chatter, greedy, bearing thoughts of ill will, and holding wrong views — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappears in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell, and not a brahman?"

"No, Master Gotama. Even a noble warrior... Even a brahman... Even a merchant... Even a worker... (Members of) all four castes — if they take life, steal, engage in sexual misconduct, tell lies, speak divisively, speak harshly, engage in idle chatter, are greedy, bear thoughts of ill will, & hold wrong views — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappear in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell."...
Quote from: MN93

 
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Kambuja - កម្ពុជា / Kamboja or Kampūjā
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 10:26:38 AM »

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Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Kambuja - កម្ពុជា / Kamboja or Kampūjā " eröffnet, dem angehäng.
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November 03, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
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November 03, 2018, 07:27:06 AM
Dear The Most Reverend Samanera Johann,

Since I do not have much time, I would like to submit the following link.

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November 02, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
My sleep, my health, my many household, feelings, rememberance, projects, recognitions ... "I want to have time when I am old and sick ... surely! សូមព្រះអង្គជួយពន្យល់ផង
 

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October 31, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
"Oh! My sleep, my health, my many household, feelings, rememberance, projects, recognitions...", I will have time when I am old and sick... surely!
 

Johann

October 31, 2018, 03:09:31 PM
in earlier times "Buddhist" would come the day before Sila-day to the monastery and, not going to sleep, after having taken 8 precepts, do 24h merits. "good old times..."  :)
 

Johann

October 31, 2018, 01:50:41 PM
 :) lost... "Zeit hat man nicht, die muß man sich nehmen"
 

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October 31, 2018, 01:43:14 PM
Dear The Most Reverend Samanera Johann,

I agree with you. But I need more time.

Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!
 

Johann

October 31, 2018, 01:25:52 PM
Thinking "in the future" is another lost battle... Nyom: Sieg! . Next minute you could die and what follows Nyom?
 

Johann

October 31, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
Similar to this one, maybe: [Khmer] Anreden, Begrüßung | Forms of adress, Greeting , started as layperson by now Bhante Khemakumara.
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

October 31, 2018, 01:17:50 PM
Dear The Most Reverend Samanera Johann,

In the future, I will try my best.

Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!
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Johann

October 31, 2018, 01:16:37 PM
Where ever people stop to make merits, don't rejoice with it, it will not need long that revolution-desires arise, having gone out of puñña
 

Johann

October 31, 2018, 01:11:17 PM
What about teaching ways of introduction abhivadana, and how to adress monks, behave, speak in monasteries? That would be great in many aspects for Nyom.
 

Johann

October 31, 2018, 01:08:34 PM
Nyom could teach a little Sinhalese, and open a topic. At least such, by thinking and giving into the Sublime Sangha would be of great benefit for Nyom. Not ease to find possibility to make merits, yet surely devotion is also one.
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

October 31, 2018, 12:59:52 PM
Sehr ehrwürdiger Samanera Johann,

Dhamma Grüβe an Sie aus Sri Lanka!

Mohan Barathi Gnanathilake





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