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2019 Jan 18 16:31:13
Johann: ភនតេ មុនី ការភ្ជាប់សំឡេងភ្ជាប់

2019 Jan 18 13:45:40
Johann: Guess all is now proper sorted in the correspondig topic. If something got "lost", put wrongely, may one let it be known.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:49
Johann: Reading, translating the many forzmguides.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:01
Johann: Mudita. Yet much new, much to learn, much to explore: patient is importand, and observing ways of doing things.

2019 Jan 18 07:29:08
Cheav Villa: But not yet finished, .. touched enter  ^-^ and..

2019 Jan 18 07:25:06
Cheav Villa: Bhante Muni actually said.. really enjoyed of dwelling here  _/\_

2019 Jan 18 06:42:04
Johann: much uddhacca-kukkucca, or?

2019 Jan 18 06:10:12
Johann: Bhante Muni wrote: "I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, am greating ñati ñoma (former blood relatives) to the extend of respecting goodwill (metta), I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, really..."

2019 Jan 18 06:01:10
Johann: One easy becomes a browser (neak quial hungry)

2019 Jan 18 05:56:43
Cheav Villa:  :D :D :D _/\_

2019 Jan 18 05:55:26
Johann: Atma is now very busy in cutting, moving, mergle... maybe slowly and with mindfulness: where am I? Whats the topic?...  :)

2019 Jan 18 04:38:03
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុ Bhante Muny 

2019 Jan 18 04:20:34
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 04:19:09
Muni: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាព សូមនមស្សការនិងចម្រើនពរញាតិញោម ដោយសេចក្ដីគោរពរាប់អាន ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាពពិត

2019 Jan 18 03:39:39
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណ​ព្រះអង្គ​ បាននិមន្តចូលរួមវិភាគទាន នៅទីនេះ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 03:39:00
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ​មុនី :D _/\_

2019 Jan 17 16:22:47
Johann: Bhante Muni  _/\_

2019 Jan 17 12:59:11
Johann: So it's enought or would some broken Khmer Audio be of support, Nyom?

2019 Jan 17 09:20:36
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គBhante . ករុណាបានអាមអត្ថបទដែលព្រះអង្គបានផុសជាភាសាអង់គ្លេសនោះ បានយល់ខ្លះៗហេីយ :D :D

2019 Jan 17 06:45:05
Johann: Being become, appeare always where desired Why beings take birth, even in most worse existences and circumstances?

2019 Jan 17 06:41:35
Johann: One becomes and dwells there where one is inclinated (most anusayā), distinguished gross: 1. world, 1. Nibbana.

2019 Jan 17 06:20:33
Cheav Villa: លោកតាទើបចេះពន្យល់ ខ្ញុំ​មិនសូវ​ដឹងឆ្លើយទេ ^-^

2019 Jan 17 06:19:32
Cheav Villa: សូមចូលមកសរសេរសួរលោកតា នៅវត្ត​ កុំសួរតាមMessenger  :D

2019 Jan 17 06:18:35
Cheav Villa: សួស្តី​បងធី​ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 16:33:43
Cheav Villa: Things to read :D

2019 Jan 16 16:27:50
Cheav Villa: Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 15:28:02
Johann: The Story of Culekasataka (Maha Kassapa and his wife in former life)

2019 Jan 16 15:20:13
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 04:07:43
Khemakumara: Nyom Chanroth

2019 Jan 16 02:09:37
Chanroth: សាធុសាធុសាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 02:07:10
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 02:06:36
Chanroth: ជំរាបសួរ Moritz

2019 Jan 16 02:06:31
Johann: "Another day, another possibility. We don't know what tomorrow might be."

2019 Jan 15 19:41:08
Khemakumara: Nyom Moritz

2019 Jan 15 19:38:38
Moritz: Vandami Bhante (Khemakumara) _/\_

2019 Jan 15 17:13:16
Johann: Nyom Puthy, maybe this helps: ការរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុង website .

2019 Jan 15 16:10:29
Ieng Puthy: ព្រះអង្គករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុលាសិនហេីយ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:07:58
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាគ្រាន់តែចូលអាន ករុណាមិនទាន់យល់ពីរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុងwebsite នៅឡេីយទេ ព្រះអង្គ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:00:58
Johann: How ever one feels inspired, has joy, likes to give into.  How can I use the forum purposefully, for myself, as well as for others?

2019 Jan 15 15:57:55
Johann: No need to use all possibilities for merits for one alone but good to invite others to join and become more independend till free.

2019 Jan 15 15:04:39
Johann: no requirement to do all, merits step by step. "The path to nibbana is hard", they say, and don't do even little steps, Nyom. As inspired, its at least a working and concentration camp, Devas delight in creation, Devas having contr. over the creation of others.

2019 Jan 15 14:53:43
Cheav Villa: ព្រះអង្គការបកប្រែមកជាខ្មែរ  មានខុសច្រើនណាស់  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 14:49:16
Khemakumara: leng Puthy

2019 Jan 15 14:48:29
Khemakumara: Nyom leng Pitts

2019 Jan 15 14:45:35
Johann: There is a lot of new for many. If the Nyom Ladies like to help in translating here and there a little, it might be easier for khmer-speaking monks to get informed well.

2019 Jan 15 14:25:23
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 13:33:34
Khemakumara: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 13:32:47
Khemakumara: Bhante Johann _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 13:27:53
Johann: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 10:46:40
Johann: But a topic can be opened everywhere and can then be moved.

2019 Jan 15 10:45:27
Johann: There is also a Link to direct Requests for Teachings - link, so things get not lost.

2019 Jan 15 10:44:12
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាព្រះអង្គ🙏🏻អរព្រះគុុណ ព្រះអង្គ

2019 Jan 15 10:42:55
Johann: Good place is surely at  Dhammatalks - (dhamma desanā)

2019 Jan 15 10:35:06
Johann: Talkbox is not proper, just for greating and small-talk

2019 Jan 15 10:24:47
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ព្រះអង្គ តេីមានធម៌អ្វីដែលអាចកំចាត់ធម៌លោភៈល្អិតនៅក្នុងចិត្តបានដែរឬទេ ?ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Jan 15 10:21:37
Johann: Just open a new topic best, Nyom Puthy (requires some bhava-chanda)

2019 Jan 15 10:17:22
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 15 10:07:10
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe

2019 Jan 15 10:01:15
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គមុនី! ករុណាមានសំណួរ១អំពី អនុស្ស័យកិលេសមាន៧ គឺ 1-កាមរាគានុស្ស័យ 2-ភវនុស្ស័យ3

2019 Jan 15 09:31:36
Cheav Villa:  :)  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:27:54
Chanroth: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុន្នី ពីរអាស្រមថ្មទូក_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:21:46
Chanroth: បាតជំរាបសួរបងស្រី ខ្ញុំមិនទាន់បានធ្វេីនៅឡេីយទេ ពីព្រោះខ្ញុំឈឺ បានធូហេីយ តែមិនទាន់បាត់ថ្លោះករនៅឡេីយ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 08:57:49
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុនី  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 07:34:19
Johann: Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 05:57:47
Cheav Villa: តើពូកំពុងជួយការងារលោកតាមែនទេ?តើនៅអាស្រមមានកង្វះខាតអ្វីទេនៅពេលនេះ

2019 Jan 15 05:54:51
Cheav Villa: ជំរាបសួរពូចាន់រ័ត្ន _/\_

2019 Jan 15 01:12:12
Johann: And "we" wouldn't always know or find out but need to relay on one who know

2019 Jan 15 01:06:48
Johann: There are two kinds of sadness and happiness, of which one of each is conductive for liberation, one not.

2019 Jan 15 01:02:24
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we always be able to find out for ourselves how much attachment we accumulate, and whether this brings us happiness or sorrow! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 15 01:00:52
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mögen wir immer  selbst herausfinden kӧnnen, wie viel Anhaftung wir anhäufen und ob  diese Anhaftung uns die Frӧhlichkeit oder  die Traurigkeit bringt! Dhamma Grüβe aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 13:52:41
Johann: Nyom Puthy. May you all have good Dhamma conversations with each other, don't be shy on that. Atma will go to rest.

2019 Jan 14 13:48:00
Johann: ញោម ចាន់រ័ត្ន

2019 Jan 14 12:49:01
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 12:36:20
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we possess the causes of blissfulness always! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 12:35:18
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mӧgen wir immer die Ursachen der Glückseligkeit besitzen! Dhamma Grüβe  aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 10:20:32
Johann: "នាងវិសាខា ក្រាបបង្គំទូលថា ថ្ងៃនេះខ្ញុំម្ចាស់រក្សាឧបោសថៈព្រះអង្គ។"...

2019 Jan 14 09:49:40
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 06:59:34
Cheav Villa: Jain-Upossathaកូណាមុិនទាន់យល់ន័យនៃពាក្យនេះទេ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 05:12:41
Johann: "មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន"... មែន(sense)ទុក្ខឬមិន? Where?

2019 Jan 14 04:57:55
Johann: Buddha and Savaka do not teach Jain-Uposatha: អ្នកណា​មាទុក្ខ? , Sadhu

2019 Jan 14 04:50:21
Johann: ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល! មានទេមិនមាន ... ការនិយាយអំពីសត្វ។ ធម៌ទាំងអស់មានមូលហេតុ ដូច្នេះ: រឿងដំបូងនៅលើកដំបូង!

2019 Jan 14 04:21:59
Cheav Villa: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន ជាអនត្តាធម៌ ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល  _/\_

2019 Jan 14 04:16:00
Johann: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួនទេ = មិនមែនទុក្ខទេ

2019 Jan 14 04:06:00
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 14 04:05:16
Johann: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា !

2019 Jan 14 02:18:42
Chanroth: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា

2019 Jan 13 15:16:49
Johann: First things first , very recommended, hearing the Uposatha of the Jains from the Villages all the time here.

2019 Jan 13 15:05:49
Johann: again and again coming back to Dhamma, Punja? Habits become destinies.

2019 Jan 13 14:53:42
Johann: coming back seems to be niccaŋ

2019 Jan 13 14:40:52
Cheav Villa: អនិច្ចំ *sgift*

2019 Jan 13 14:29:43
Ieng Puthy:  Chom reap leah , good bye🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:18:50
Moritz: Chom reap leah, good bye _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:11:50
Ieng Puthy: Hello Master Morithz🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:07:24
Moritz: Hello Ieng Puthy _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:07:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jan 13 13:54:34
Ieng Puthy: ជំរាបសួរ បងចាន់រ័ត្ន Bong Chanroth 🙏🏼សូមបងឆាប់បានជាសះស្បេីយ

2019 Jan 13 13:49:26
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Jan 13 09:17:06
Chanroth: ខ្ញំបានជាហើយ តែវេទនាបានកើតឡើងចំពោះខ្ញុំ បញ្ហាថ្លោះកករ :-\

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Last abnehmen, und gehen lassen wenn an der Zeit
« on: June 18, 2017, 01:06:52 PM »
Da ist eine Geschichte (Sutta) in der ein Todkranker Mann (König) von seiner Frau aufgewartet wird und diese ihm mitteilt, dass sich um all seine Dinge gekümmert wird, und er sich keine Sorgen machen muß und ziehen kann.

Später, wieder genesen, wartet er den Buddha auf, und erzählt ihm von seiner Frau, meinend wie wenig sie ihh liebt und ziehen lassen wollte. Der Buddha aber korregiert ihn und lobt seine Frau sogar nach seinem Scheiden auf alles achten zu wollen und dafür, daß sie ihn das Loslassen erleichtern wollte.

Diese Art der Dankbarkeit besteht auch in jedem anderen Verhältnis der Güte und Dankbarkeit, speziell im Bezug auf die vier Götter, Lehrer, beginnend mit den Eltern.

Und weil heute Vatertag ist, und Atma auch einem ganz besonderen Gott gedenken möchte, der ihm sehr viel im Bezug auf Rechte Sichtweise dargeboten hat und damit für dessen gute Entwicklung beigeteagen hat, möchte es sich an seine direkten Kinder hier wenden, deren Pflichten naturgemäß noch höher sind, sehend oder nicht, in Bezug auf Gewisses Erbe.

Nyom Chamroeun B , @Nyom Sophorn ,

sicherlich als aufdringlich erscheinend könnend, und ja auch dringlich wahrgenommen von meiner Person.

Ihr Vater, soweit informiert, hat sich sehr viel mit Dhamma beschäftigt, geschrieben, geteilt...  und vieles davon, da in anderer Sprache und brschränkten Bereichen, wird vielleicht bald nicht mehr teilbar sein. Wissend, daß ein guter Vater zumeist nur Sorgen hat, daß die Kinder sein Erbe nicht annehmen oder nicht gut nutzen werden, ist solches oft sehr bindend und wenig leicht machend.

Sie haben "sichl für das Wohl vieler und das eigene Raum für Gabe von den Besten Dingen mit Ihren alten Handlungen der Großzügigkeit geschaffen und dieses Zusammenkommen der Möglichkeiten, die Sie haben sind aus Dankbarkeit und für das eigene Wohl gut genutzt.

Oft oder meist werden Kinder, Schüler... erst dann aktiv, wenn Sie freien Nutzen aus dem Erbe ziehen können doch besser und befreiender, aber auch hilfreicher für einen selbst ist, jede Zeit zu nutzen und ins Erbe hineinzuwachsen, und damit dem Gönner auch das Gefühl der Annahme des Erbes zu geben.

Gar nicht weiter ausführen wollend, wollte Atma, in Dankbarkeit gegenüber einen der Götter und Gönner, andere dieser erinnern, und Sie dazu anregen die Verdienste und Erbe im Dhamma hier wirklich zu teilen zu beginnen. Es ist eine gute Zeit und still wie ungestört hier, gleichzeitig offen und zugänglich für jedermann, von Göttern und Devas beschützt.

Teilen Sie, lassen sie an Unterkunft, Errungenschaften, Familie und Gönner, und dem Dhamma teilhaben und genießen Sie damit die Grundlage für geschickt Konzentration und erlangen jedes Pfades, jeder Frucht, bis zur höchsten1 Befreiung.

Diese Worte hier gehen auch an alle anderen Kinder, Schüler und Empfänger von Güte von Eltern, Lehrern, Göttern den erhabenen Buddha, das Dhamma und die Sangha als Anführer zum Glück haben.

Anumodana.
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Re: Last abnehmen, und gehen lassen wenn an der Zeit
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 08:24:29 AM »
Sicherlich passend dazu, einem gefestigten Laienanhänger, Verwandten der Art, selbst gefestigt und eingewiesen, wahrlich in scheren Tagen behilfreich zu sein, und gar alle erhaltene Güte zurückgeben könnend:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Gilana Sutta: Krank

Zu einer Begebenheit verweilte der Befreite unter den Sakyāns, in Kapilavatthu, im Banyan-Park. Nun zu dieser Zeit hatten viele Bhikkhus am Herstellen von Roben für den Befreiten gearbeitet [, denkend]: "Wenn die Roben fertiggestellt sind, am Ende der drei Monate, wird der Befreite auf Wanderschaft ziehen."

Mahānāma, der Sakyān, hörte, das viele Bhikkhus am Herstellen von Roben für den Befreiten arbeiteten [, denkend]: "Wenn die Roben fertiggestellt sind, am Ende der drei Monate, wird der Befreite auf Wanderschaft ziehen." So wartete er den Befreiten auf, und mit Ankunft, sich verneigt habend, setzte er sich an eine Seite. Als er dort saß, sprach er zum Befreiten: "Ich habe gehört, daß viele Bhikkhus an der Herstellung von Roben für den Befreiten arbeiten [, denken]: 'Wenn die Roben fertiggestellt sind, am Ende der drei Monate, wird der Befreite auf Wanderschaft ziehen.' Aber ich habe in des Befreitens Gegenwart nicht gehört, in des Befreitens Gegenwart nicht gelernt, wie ein bedachter Laienanhänger, der erkrankt, in Schmerz, ernsthaft krank, von einem [anderen] bedachten Laienanhänger angeleitet werden sollte."

"Mahānāma, ein bedachter Layenanhänger[1], der erkrankt ist, in Schmerzen, ernsthaft krank, sollte von einem anderen bedachten Laienanhänger mit vier Rückversicherungen rückversichert werden: 'Sei versichert (beschwichtigt), Freund, daß Ihr mit abgesichertem Vertrauen in den Erwachten bestückt seid: "Wahrlich, der Befreite ist würdig und rechtens Selbsterwacht, vollkommen in Wissen und Verhalten, gutgegangen, ein Kenner im Bezug auf die Welt, unübertroffener Ausbildner jener Leute, die bereit zum Zämen sind, der Lehrer von himmlischen und menschlichen Wesen, erwacht, gesegnet."

"Seid versichert, Freund, daß Ihr abgesichertes Vertrauen in das Dhamma habt: "Das Dhamma ist gutdargelegt vom Befreiten, zu sehen im Hier-und-Jetzt, zeitlos, zur Prüfung einladend, vom Weisen für sich selbst zu verwirklichen."

"Seid versichert, Freund, daß Ihr abgesichertes Vertrauen in die Saṅgha habt: "Die Saṅgha des Befreitens Schüler, die gut ausgeübt haben... die geradewegs vorwärts ausgeübt haben... die methodisch ausgeübt haben... die meisterhaft ausgeübt haben, mit anderen Worten die vier Arten von Noblen Schülern, wenn als Paare genommen, die acht, wenn als Einzelperson[1], diese sind die Saṅgha des Befreiten, würdig des Respekts, ein unvergleichliches Feld der Verdienste für die Welt."

"Seid versichert, Freund, daß Ihr Tugenden, annehmlich für die Noblen, habt: unzerrissen, ungebrochen, unbefleckt, ungemustert, befreiend, gelobt von den Weisen, makellos, zu Konzentration führend.'

"Mahānāma, wenn ein bedachter Laienanhänger, der erkrankt ist, in Schmeren, ernsthaft krank, von einem anderen bedachten Laienanhänger, mit diesen vier Rüchversicherungen rückversichert wurde, sollte er gefragt werden: 'Freund, seid Ihr bekümmert wegen Eurer Mutter, Eurem Vater?' Wenn er sagen sollte: "Ich bin bekümmert wegen meiner Mutter, meine Vater', sollte ihn gesagt werden: 'Ihr, mein lieber Freund, seid Gegenstand des Todes. Wenn Ihr Euch bekümmert, wegen Eurer Mutter, Eures Vaters, fühlt, werdet Ihr dennoch sterben. Wenn Ihr Euch nicht bekümmert, wegen Eurer Mutter, Eures Vaters, fühlt, werdet Ihr dennoch sterben. Es wäre gut, wenn Ihr Bekümmern, wegen Eurer Mutter, Eures Vaters, ablegen würdet.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Bekümmen, wegen meiner Mjtter, meines Vaters, ist abgelegt worden', sollte er gefragt werden: 'Freund, seid Ihr, wegen Eurer Frau und Kinder, bekümmert?' Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Ich bin, wegen meiner Frau und Kinder, bekümmert', sollte ihn gesagt werden: 'Ihr, mein lieber Freund, seid Gegenstand des Todes. Wenn Ihr Euch bekümmert, wegen Eurer Frau und Kinder, fühlt, werdet Ihr dennoch sterben. Wenn Ihr Euch nicht bekümmert, wegen Eurer Frau und Kinder, fühlt, werdet Ihr dennoch sterben. Es wäre gut, wenn Ihr Bekümmern, wegen Eurer Frau und Kinder, ablegen würdet.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Bekümmern, wegen meiner Frau und Kinder, ist abgelegt worden", sollte er gefragt werden: 'Freund, seid Ihr bekümmert, wegen der fünf Stränge der menschlichen Sinnlichkeit?'. Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Ich bin bekümmert, wegen der fünf Stränge der menschlichen Sinnlichkeit', sollte ihm gesagt werden: 'Freund, himmliche Sinnesvergnügen sind glanzvoller, verfeinerter, als menschliche Sinnesvergnügen. Es wäre gut, Euren Geist über menschliche Sinnesvergnügen erhoben habend, wenn Ihr ihn an die Devas der Vier Großen Könige setzt.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Geist ist über menschliche Sinnesvergnügen gehoben, und an die Devas der Vier Großen Könige angesetzt', sollte ihm gesagt werden: 'Freund, die Devas der Dreiunddreißig sind glanzvoller, verfeinerter, als die Devas der Vier Großen Könige. Es wäre gut, Euren Geist über die Devas der Vier Großen Könige gehoben habend, wenn Ihr ihn an die Devas der Dreiundreißig setzt.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Geist ist über die Devas der Vier Großen Könige gehoben, und an die Devas der Dreiunddreißig gesetzt', sollte ihm gesagt werden: 'Freund, die Devas der Stunden sind glanzvoller, verfeinerter, als die Devas der Dreiunddreißig. Es wäre gut, Euren Geist über die Devas der Dreiunddreißig gehoben habend, wenn Ihr ihn an die Devas der Stunden setzt.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Geist ist über die Devas der Dreiunddreißig gehoben, und an die Devas der Stunden gesetzt', sollte ihm gesagt werden: 'Freund, die Zufriedengestellten Devas sind glanzvoller, verfeinerter, als die Devas der Stunden... die Devas Erfreuend an Erschaffung sind glanzvoller, verfeinerter, als die Zufriedengestellten Devas... die Devas Macht über die Erschaffungen anderer haltend, sind glanzvoller, verfeinerter als die Devas Erfreuend an Erschaffung ... die Brahmawelt ist glanzvoller, verfeinerter, als die Devas Macht über die Erschaffungen anderer halten. Es wäre gut, Euren Geist über die Devas Macht über die Erschaffung anderer haltend gehoben habend, wenn Ihr ihn an die Brahmawelt setzt.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Geist ist über die Devas Macht über die Erschaffungen anderer haltend gehoben, und auf die Brahmawelt gesetzt', sollte ihm gesagt werden: 'Freund, selbst Brahmawelt ist veränderlich, unbeständig, enthalten in Selbsteinbringung (Selbstidentität). Es wäre gut, Euren Geist über die Brahmawelt erhoben, wenn Ihr ihn in die Beendigung von Selbsteinbringung bringen würdet.'

"Wenn er sagen sollte: 'Mein Geist ist über die Brahmawelt gehoben, und zur Beendigung von Selbsteinbringung gebracht, dann sage ich Euch, Mahānāma, ist da kein Unterschied, in Begriffen von Befreiung, zwischen der Befreiung eines Laienanhängers, dessen Geist befreit, und der Befreiung eines Mönches, dessen Geist befreit."




Gilana Sutta: Ill

On one occasion the Blessed One was staying among the Sakyans at Kapilavatthu in the Banyan Park. Now at that time many monks were at work making robes for the Blessed One, [thinking,] "When the robes are finished, at the end of the three months, the Blessed One will set out wandering."

Mahanama the Sakyan heard that many monks were at work making robes for the Blessed One, [thinking,] "When the robes are finished, at the end of the three months, the Blessed One will set out wandering." So he approached the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "I have heard that many monks are at work making robes for the Blessed One, [thinking,] 'When the robes are finished, at the end of the three months, the Blessed One will set out wandering.' But I haven't heard in the Blessed One's presence, haven't learned in the Blessed One's presence, how a discerning lay follower who is diseased, in pain, severely ill should be instructed by [another] discerning lay follower."

"Mahanama, a discerning lay follower[2] who is diseased, in pain, severely ill should be reassured by another discerning lay follower with four reassurances: 'Be reassured, friend, that you are endowed with verified confidence in the Awakened One: "Indeed, the Blessed One is worthy & rightly self-awakened, consummate in knowledge & conduct, well-gone, an expert with regard to the world, unexcelled as a trainer for those people fit to be tamed, the Teacher of divine & human beings, awakened, blessed."

"'Be reassured, friend, that you have verified confidence in the Dhamma: "The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One, to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the wise for themselves."

"'Be reassured, friend, that you have verified confidence in the Sangha: "The Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples who have practiced well... who have practiced straight-forwardly... who have practiced methodically... who have practiced masterfully — in other words, the four pairs, the eight individuals — they are the Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples: worthy of gifts, worthy of hospitality, worthy of offerings, worthy of respect, the incomparable field of merit for the world."

"'Be reassured, friend, that you have virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration.'

"Mahanama, when a discerning lay follower who is diseased, in pain, severely ill has been reassured by another discerning lay follower with these four reassurances, he should be asked: 'Friend, are you concerned for your mother & father?' If he should say, 'I am concerned for my mother & father,' he should be told, 'You, my dear friend, are subject to death. If you feel concern for your mother & father, you're still going to die. If you don't feel concern for your mother & father, you're still going to die. It would be good if you abandoned concern for your mother & father.'

"If he should say, "My concern for my mother & father has been abandoned,' he should be asked, 'Friend, are you concerned for your wife & children?' If he should say, 'I am concerned for my wife & children,' he should be told, 'You, my dear friend, are subject to death. If you feel concern for your wife & children, you're still going to die. If you don't feel concern for your wife & children, you're still going to die. It would be good if you abandoned concern for your wife & children.'

"If he should say, "My concern for my wife & children has been abandoned,' he should be asked, 'Friend, are you concerned for the five strings of human sensuality?' If he should say, 'I am concerned for the five strings of human sensuality,' he should be told, 'Friend, divine sensual pleasures are more splendid & more refined than human sensual pleasures. It would be good if, having raised your mind above human sensual pleasures, you set it on the Devas of the Four Great Kings.'

"If he should say, 'My mind is raised above human sensual pleasures and is set on the Devas of the Four Great Kings,' he should be told, 'Friend, the Devas of the Thirty-three are more splendid & more refined than the Devas of the Four Great Kings. It would be good if, having raised your mind above the Devas of the Four Great Kings, you set it on the Devas of the Thirty-three.'

"If he should say, 'My mind is raised above the Devas of the Four Great Kings and is set on the Devas of the Thirty-three,' he should be told, 'Friend, the Devas of the Hours are more splendid & more refined than the Devas of the Thirty-three. It would be good if, having raised your mind above the Devas of the Thirty-three, you set it on the Devas of the Hours.'

"If he should say, 'My mind is raised above the Devas of the Thirty-three and is set on the Devas of the Hours,' he should be told, 'Friend, the Contented Devas are more splendid & more refined than the Devas of the Hours... the Devas Delighting in Creation are more splendid & more refined than the Contented Devas... the Devas Wielding Power over the Creations of Others are more splendid & more refined than the Devas Delighting in Creation... the Brahma world is more splendid and more refined than the Devas Wielding Power over the Creations of Others. It would be good if, having raised your mind above the Devas Wielding Power over the Creations of Others, you set it on the Brahma world.'

"If he should say, 'My mind is raised above the Devas Wielding Power over the Creations of Others and is set on the Brahma world,' he should be told, 'Friend, even the Brahma world is inconstant, impermanent, included in self-identity. It would be good if, having raised your mind above the Brahma world, you brought it to the cessation of self-identity.'

"If he should say, 'My mind is raised above the Brahma worlds and is brought to the cessation of self-identity,' then, I tell you, Mahanama, there is no difference — in terms of release — between the release of that lay follower whose mind is released and the release of a monk whose mind is released."




៤. គិលានសុត្តំ

[៣២៨] សម័យ​មួយ ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ ​ទ្រង់​គង់​នៅ​ក្នុង​និគ្រោធារាម ទៀប​ក្រុង​កបិល​ព័ស្តុ ​ក្នុង​ដែន​សក្កៈ។ ក៏ក្នុង​សម័យ​នោះ​ឯង ពួក​ភិក្ខុ​ច្រើន​រូប ​នាំ​គ្នា​ដេរ​ចីវរថ្វាយ​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ ​ដោយ​គិត​ថា ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ ​មានចីវរសម្រេច​ហើយ ព្រះ​អង្គ​នឹង​ស្ដេច​ទៅកាន់​ចារិក​ ដោយកាល​ប្រព្រឹត្ត​កន្លង​ទៅ ​នៃ​ខែ ​៣។ មហានាម​សក្កៈ​ បាន​ឮ​ដំណឹង​​​​​ថា ​ឮថាពួក​ភិក្ខុ​ច្រើន​រូប​​ ដេរ​ចីវរថ្វាយ​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ ​ដោយ​គិត​ថា ព្រះ​ដ៏​មាន​ព្រះ​ភាគ​ មានចីវរសម្រេច​ហើយ ព្រះ​អង្គ​នឹង​ស្ដេច​ទៅកាន់​ចារិក​ ដោយកាល​ប្រព្រឹត្ត​កន្លង​ទៅ​នៃ​ខែ​ ៣។ លំដាប់​នោះ មហានាម​សក្កៈ​ ក៏ចូល​ទៅគាល់​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ លុះ​ចូល​ទៅ​ដល់​ហើយ ថ្វាយ​បង្គំ​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ រួច​គង់​ក្នុង​ទី​សម​គួរ។ លុះ​មហានាម​សក្កៈ គង់​ក្នុង​ទី​សម​គួ​រហើយ ក្រាប​ទូល​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ ​យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា បពិត្រ​ព្រះ​អង្គ​ដ៏​ចំរើន ខ្ញុំ​ព្រះអង្គ​ឮ​ដំណឹង​នេះ​ថា ឮថា ពួក​ភិក្ខុ​ច្រើន​រូប ​ដេរ​ចីវរថ្វាយ​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ​ ដោយ​គិត​ថា ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ​ មានចីវរសម្រេច​ហើយ ព្រះ​អង្គ​នឹង​ស្ដេច​ទៅកាន់​ចារិក​ ដោយកាល​ប្រព្រឹត្ត​កន្លង​ទៅ​ នៃ​ខែ ​៣។ បពិត្រ​ព្រះ​អង្គ​ដ៏​ចំរើន ខ្ញុំ​ព្រះអង្គ មិនទាន់​បាន​ស្ដាប់ធម៌​ ចំពោះ​ព្រះ​ភក្ត្រ​ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះភាគ មិនទាន់​បាន​ទទួល ​ចំពោះ​ព្រះ​ភក្ត្រ​យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា ឧបាសក​ប្រកប​ដោយ​ប្រាជ្ញា (សម្រេច​ស្រោតៈ) ដែល​មានអាពាធ ដល់​នូវ​ទុក្ខ​វេទនា ​ឈឺធ្ងន់ ត្រូវ​តែ​ឧ​បាសក ​ដែល​ប្រកប​ដោយ​ប្រាជ្ញា​ទូន្មាន​គ្នា​។

   [​៣២៩] ម្នាល​មហានាម ឧបាសកដែល​ប្រកប​ដោយ​ប្រាជ្ញា មានអាពាធ ដល់​នូវ​ទុក្ខ​វេទនា ឈឺធ្ងន់ ត្រូវ​តែ​ឧ​បាសក​​ប្រកប​ដោយ​ប្រាជ្ញា​ លួង​លោម​ដោយ​ធម៌ ដែល​​​គួរ​លួង​លោម​ ៤ យ៉ាងថា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ ចូរដកដង្ហើម​ឲ្យស្រួលចុះ ព្រោះ​អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ មានសេចក្ដី​ជ្រះថ្លា​ មិន​ញាប់​ញ័រ ក្នុង​ព្រះពុទ្ធ​ថា​ ព្រះ​ដ៏​មានព្រះ​ភាគ​នោះ ​​​។បេ។​​​ ជាសាស្ដា​នៃទេវតា​ និង​មនុស្ស​ទាំងឡាយ ជាព្រះ​ពុទ្ធ​មានជោគ ដោយ​ហេតុ​ដូច្នេះ​ឯង។ អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ ចូរ​ដកដង្ហើម​ឲ្យ​ស្រួល​ចុះ ព្រោះ​អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ​ (មានសេចក្ដី​ជ្រះថ្លា ​មិនញាប់​ញ័រ) ក្នុង​ព្រះធម៌។ ក្នុង​ព្រះសង្ឃ។ ​អរិយកន្ត​សីល​ ជាសីលមិនដាច់  ប្រព្រឹត្តទៅ ដើម្បី​សមាធិ។

   [៣៣០] ម្នាល​មហានាម ឧបាសក ប្រកប​ដោយ​ប្រាជ្ញា មាន​អាពាធ​ ដល់​នូវ​ទុក្ខ​វេទនា​ឈឺធ្ងន់ ដែល​ឧបាសក​ប្រកប​ដោ​យ​ប្រាជ្ញា ទូន្មាន​ដោយ​ធម៌ ដែលគួរលួងលោម​ទាំង​៤ ​នេះ​ហើយ ត្រូវនិយាយយ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ ​មាន​សេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ​មាតា​បិតាឬ។ បើឧបាសកនោះ និយាយយ៉ាងនេះថា ខ្ញុំនៅមានសេចក្តីអាឡោះ​អាល័យ​​មាតាបិតាដែរ។ ត្រូវនិយាយ​នឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា អ្នក​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ​ ជាប់​ជំពាក់​​ដោយ​សេចក្ដី​ស្លាប់ ទៀង​តែ​នឹង​ស្លាប់ ប្រសិន​បើ​អ្នក​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ​ នៅ​ជាប់​​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ​ នឹង​មាតាបិតា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ​ គង់​តែ​នឹង​ស្លាប់ បើ​ទុក​ជាអ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ មិន​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ ​នឹង​មាតាបិតា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ​ គង់​តែ​នឹង​ស្លាប់ដែរ សូម​ឲ្យ​អ្នក​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ ​លះបង់​សេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យរបស់​អ្នក ​ក្នុង​មាតាបិតា​នោះ​ចេញ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ និយាយ​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ខ្ញុំ​លះបង់សេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ​ ក្នុង​មាតាបិតា​នោះ​រួច​ហើយ។

   [៣៣១] ត្រូវនិយាយនឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ យ៉ាងនេះថា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ ​មាន​សេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ​ ក្នុងបុត្ត និង​ភរិយា​ដែរឬ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ និយាយយ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ខ្ញុំ​នៅ​មាន​សេចក្ដីអាឡោះ​អាល័យ ​ក្នុងបុត្តនិង​ភរិយា​ដែរ។ ត្រូវនិយាយ​នឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ ​យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា អ្នក​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ ជាប់​ជំពាក់នឹង​សេចក្ដី​ស្លាប់ ហើយទៀង​តែ​នឹង​ស្លាប់ បើទុកជា​អ្នក​​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ ​នៅ​មានសេចក្តី​​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ​ ក្នុងបុត្តនិង​ភរិយា អ្នក​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ​គង់​តែ​នឹង​ស្លាប់ បើ​អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ មិនមាន​សេចក្តីអាឡោះ​​​អាល័យ​ ក្នុងបុត្តនិង​ភរិយា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ​ គង់​តែ​នឹង​ស្លាប់ សូម​អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ លះបង់​សេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ ​ក្នុងបុត្ត និង​ភរិយា របស់អ្នក​នោះ​ចេញ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ ​និយាយ​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ខ្ញុំ​បានលះសេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ​ ក្នុង​បុត្ត​ និង​ភរិយា​នោះ​ចេញ​ហើយ។

   [៣៣២] ត្រូវនិយាយនឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ យ៉ាងនេះថា អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ​ មាន​សេចក្ដី​អាឡោះ​អាល័យ ​ក្នុងកាមគុណ ទាំង ៥​ ជារបស់​មនុស្ស​ដែរឬ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ និយាយ​​​​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ខ្ញុំ​មាន​សេចក្ដីអាឡោះ​អាល័យ ​ក្នុងកាមគុណ ទាំង ៥​ ជារបស់​មនុស្ស​ដែរ។ ត្រូវនិយាយ​នឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា ម្នាល​អាវុសោ កាមជាទិព្យ​ ជារបស់​រុង​រឿង​ផង ឧត្ដមផង ជាងកាមទាំងឡាយ ជារបស់​មនុស្ស សូម​​អ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ ​ធ្វើចិត្ត​ឲ្យ​ផុត​ចាក​កាម​ ជារបស់​មនុស្ស​ចេញ ​ហើយ​ចូរដម្កល់​ចិត្ត​ ក្នុង​ពួក​ទេវតា ​ស្ថាន​ចាតុម្ម​ហា​​​​​​​រាជិកចុះ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ និយាយ​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ចិត្តរបស់ខ្ញុំ​ ផុតស្រឡះ​ចាកកាម​ជារបស់​មនុស្ស​ហើយ ខ្ញុំ​បាន​ដម្កល់​ចិត្ត​ទុក ​ក្នុង​ពួក​ទេវតា​ជាន់​ចាតុម្ម​ហារាជិក​ហើយ។

   [៣៣៣] ត្រូវ​និយាយនឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា ម្នាល​អាវុសោ ពួកតាវត្តិង្ស​ទេវតា ​រុង​រឿងជាង ឧត្ដម​ជាងពួក​ចាតុម្មហារាជិក​ទេវតា សូម​អ្នក​ដ៏មានអាយុ ​ដក​ចិត្ត​អំពី​ពួក​ចាតុម្ម​ហារាជិក​ទេវតា​ចេញ ហើយ​ដម្កល់​ចិត្ត​ ក្នុង​ពួក​តាវត្តិង្ស​ទេវតា​ចុះ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ និយាយ​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ចិត្តខ្ញុំបានដក​ផុត​ អំពីពួក​ចាតុម្មហារាជិក​ទេវតា​ហើយ ខ្ញុំបាន ដម្កល់​ចិត្ត ក្នុង​ពួក​តាវត្តិង្ស​ទេវតា​ហើយ។ ត្រូវ​និយាយនឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា ម្នាល​អាវុសោ ពួកយាម​ទេវតា ​រុងរឿង​ជាង​ពួក​តាវត្តិង្ស​ទេវតា។ ពួក​តុសិត​ទេវតា។ ពួក​និម្មាន​រតីទេវតា។ ពួក​បរនិម្មិតវសវត្តីទេវតា។ ម្នាល​អាវុសោ ព្រហ្មលោក ​រុងរឿង​ជាង​ ឧត្ដមជាង ពួក​បរនិម្មិត​វសវត្តីទេវតា សូមអ្នក​ដ៏​មានអាយុ​ ដកចិត្ត​អំពីពួក​បរនិម្មិតវសវត្តី​ទេវតា​ចេញ​ ហើយ​ដម្កល់​ចិត្ត​ ក្នុង​ព្រហ្ម​លោក​វិញ។ បើ​ឧបាសក​​​​​​​នោះ​ និយាយ​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ចិត្តខ្ញុំបានដកចេញ អំពី​ពួក​បរនិម្មិត​វសវត្តី​ទេវតា​ហើយ បាន​ដម្កល់​ចិត្ត​ ក្នុង​ព្រហ្ម​លោក​ហើយ។

   [៣៣៤] ត្រូវ​និយាយនឹង​ឧបាសក​នោះ យ៉ាង​នេះ​ថា ម្នាល​អាវុសោ ទោះ​ជា​ព្រហ្ម​លោក ​ក៏​នៅ​តែមិន​ទៀង មិនខ្ជាប់​ខ្ជួន រាប់​បញ្ចូល​ជា​សក្កាយ សូមអ្នក​ដ៏​មាន​អាយុ ដក​ចិត្ត​អំពី​ព្រហ្ម​លោក​ចេញ ហើយ​ប្រ​មូលចិត្ត ទៅ​ក្នុង​ព្រះ​និព្វាន ​ជាទី​រំលត់​នូវ​សក្ដាយ​វិញ។​ បើ​ឧបាសក​នោះ​ និយាយ​យ៉ាងនេះ​ថា ចិត្ត​ខ្ញុំ​ដក​ផុត ​អំពី​ព្រហ្ម​លោក​ហើយ ចិត្ត​ខ្ញុំ​ក៏​បាន​ប្រមូល​ ទៅ​ក្នុង​ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាទី​រំលត់​សក្កាយ​ហើយ។ ម្នាលមហានាម ចិត្តដែលរួច​ស្រឡះ​​​​​ដោយ​អរហត្ត​ផល​ វិមុត្តិរបស់​ឧបាសក ដែល​មានចិត្ត​រួចស្រឡះ​ហើយ យ៉ាងនេះ តថាគត​​​មិន​ពោល​ថា មានការ​ធ្វើ​ផ្សេង​គ្នា ​អំពី​ភិក្ខុ​ដែល​មានចិត្ត​រួចស្រឡះ​ហើយ អស់ ​១០០ ​ឆ្នាំ នោះ​តែ​បន្តិច​សោះ​ឡើយ។


 1. Diese vier Rückversicherungen zeigen an, daß der "bedachte Laienanhänger" zumindest ein Stromeintreter ist.
 2. These four reassurances indicate that the "discerning lay follower" is at least a stream-enterer.

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