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Author Topic: Why casting-off or "CC0", or putting under "PD" of Dhamma is wrong & unskillful!  (Read 236 times)

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In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community _/\_ , my person tries to explain this matter for the welfare of many. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.

Valued Upasaka, Upasika, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,


Why casting-off or "CC0", or putting under "Public Domain" of Dhamma is wrong and unskillful.

Just engaged in the matter of cast-off on internet here and investigating matters of CC0-licences and "public domain" issues, my person thought it is good to write some word for your possible best benefit and to keep you possible away from acting unskilful or simply make your possible done merits useless.

Putting Dhamma under "Public Domain" is simply stealing

Aside of the matter that nobody is authorized to do such and such an act does not hold in regard of the owners (Buddha) objectifity and that of his heirs (Savaka Sangha, represented by the Sangha of Bhikkhus) - duty to carry and holding it - it would be an act of stealing, once the owner really loses the ownership.

One might say, "Public" includes the Sangha of Bhikkhus, but that is not right. As Bhikkhu one has left society and so abounded the rights, as well as duties of it. Once owner by householders it's not possible to take and make freely use of something in "Public Domain" and in the case of "public domain" it can even not been taken when offered consciously, since nobody would have easy a right to remove something once under "public domain.

The only possibility that the Sangha and it's members would be able to make use of things under "Public Domain" would be an offical giving of such a right by the authorities and a remark of that in the certain laws.

Putting Dhamma under "CC0"

As far as my person could investigate the "trademark" CC0-common licence here , this licence is objected to declare the cast-off, the abonding of all possible rights and ownership. Such could be seen as cast-off. Something cast-off can be taken by everyone and used in what ever way, skilfully or unskilfully.

Knowing this means to accept and approve even unskillful use. As this is a mental unskillfull deed, it goes against of what is skillful or neither skillful nor unskillful. That is in regard of the act.

In regard of the object: If casting of something what is not ones own, it is not cast-off since the person casting it away did not really had ownership on it. So such an action is similar like discussed under "giving to public" above.

For a Bhikkhu, making a public comment "of what value is this Dhamma for me" and casting away the Dhamma, no more holding on the Dhamma, it could be easily seen as an act of disrobing, in any case it is a sign of strong wrong view.

Note that even the Buddha, no more clinging on any thing, dedicaded the rest of his life in respect and to uphold the Dhamma. How could one of his heirs be so dare to cast it off and maybe even declare that this way is the way of the Buddha. Neither does one doing so have the authority to do so, nor can it be seen as legal originated.

So someone casting off Dhamma has either layed down the robe or is undertaking a try to steal it, or deprive the owner from it.

Summary in regard of kamma for everyone and consequences for Bhikkhus

An personal act, the encouragement and order to do (with bodily or verbal signs of commonication), deriving the Savaka Sangha (represented by the Community of monks currently) from their heritage, the Dhamma (Tipitaka and its commentary, and all works originated from it, incl. "trademark" and "idea"), is a grave fault and breaks the precept of stealing, can be seen as the cause of poverty in future human existence, espesially in regard of lacking access to Dhamma, or the rebith in lower realms.

For a Bhikkhu, as far as my person sees, it touches inevitably being possible matter of Saṅghādisesā 13, especially when living obiviously on such undertaking, making a lifelihood out of it, and also the case of Pārājika 2 (stealing) since the amount of damage is inmessuable, it's not worthy to investigate the value of the stolen things. This touches of course also the acting as assistant.

How ever, if acting is "just" mental approve or even rejoice with such, or approve by word and/or other signs of approve, it can be estimated as simply the same kamma with same possible fruits.

Since laypeople might even have legal right and laws in wordily manners which allow them to violate the Dhamma legal, it carries even more danger, if thinking, that if acting in the fame of wordily laws, one does not break precepts or performing even strong unsillful kamma. It surely does not require to point out how much more bad effects it has, if one takes on the "possession" of venerable, or Noble Person, or even the community of the disciples of the Buddha, taking care of their heritage, meaning at least, stealing and depriving from the Buddha.

In addition, as told before, one casting away the Dhamma needs to be seen as one who has left being a disciple of the Buddha and facing such, one needs to ask if a person doing such is either mentally ill, caught in evil wrong views or simply likes to declare his disrobing (if a Bhikkhu or Samanera), leaving the holly live and taking on the lower live again.

A sort statement in regard of rejecting the validity of having an object.

Some confused people, saddly also monks, argue that products and developments which are lying in a fine-material or mental sphere, such like documents, programs, pices of codes, text, language, to not fulfill being and object that can be owned, moved, transferred, abounded... Such a point of view, giving how much criminality, stealing, killing... and trade is conducted is pointless to even argue with. If one is not able to understand what's the matter with owning, taking and abounding it is useless to discuss the matter. Whether knowingly or unknowingly, people arguing in such way, and inform people in such way, give not only proper reason to fear them, having such views, as potencial thieves, and do nothing good for themselves, but also causing great harm for many.

One should be also aware, that even if people do not care about this issue and even most of the Monks as well as self-declareted lay follower would either put Dhamma under such licences or make use of such (here in regard of public domain) the Noble Oens, either Bhikkhus, Samaneras, Nuns, or laypeople, as well as Sangha, following the Dhamma-Vinaya, can no more make use of it.

It somebody comes accross off-cast and abounded Dhamma, Dhamma under "CC0" licence, one would do good taking immediately possession of it, with the intention to donate it to the Sangha, or dedicate it and hold it till one is able to personally hand it over to the heritage owner again. So if you like to abound Dhamma, what ever kind, being it a book, a tape, or something in digital form, rather to cast it away on the street or into the trash-box, it of value and benefit to give it back or donate it to the carrier of the heritage, a serious Sangha or people without doubt following the three Juwels under the guardians of the Sangha of Bhikkhus.

So it is in any way good to inform others about it and keep them possible from doing even cravely wrong, causing harm themselves and many.

May all beings have a share of the merits performed here and rejoice to highes concentration, even path, fruits and final liberation. May the Devas inform all who have not seen or heard of it, in all realms of this world.

This post and Content has come to be by Dhamma-Dana and so is given as it       Dhamma-Dana: Johann

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April 15, 2018, 12:43:25 AM
Bhante _/\_


April 15, 2018, 12:38:56 AM
Nyom Danilo.


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Namasakara, Bhante. _/\_


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April 10, 2018, 01:09:20 PM
Nyom. (Sideboad ist stets zugeklappt... tech. Probl.) 3:00 ist auch schon guten Tag.


April 10, 2018, 03:06:49 AM
Good day (night here)


April 10, 2018, 02:54:42 AM
Namasakara, Bhante. _/\_


April 09, 2018, 09:43:17 AM
Take your time Nyom Danilo and watch the breath to stay best calm for best benefit. A lot of chances to get ride of many ols burdens.


April 08, 2018, 06:24:57 PM


April 08, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
Nyom Danilo.


April 08, 2018, 09:58:59 AM


April 08, 2018, 07:35:17 AM


April 08, 2018, 06:13:54 AM
Good Uposatha to all. _/\_


April 01, 2018, 06:17:08 AM
 :-* :-* :-*


March 31, 2018, 07:13:47 PM
Nyom Jens.


March 31, 2018, 10:11:20 AM


March 31, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
 :-* ich wünsche allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha  :-*


March 27, 2018, 06:44:11 PM
Atma zieht sich hier nun zurück. Möge sich Vollkommenheit einstellen.


March 27, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
Nyom Binocular.


March 27, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Nyom Jens.


March 27, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
Brahmane Hanspeter.


March 27, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
Moritz, mag sich Vollendung ergeben. (Chamreun bo)


March 27, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
Chom reap sour. _/\_


March 27, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_


March 26, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Nyom Binocular.

my person will leave for today and rests. There have been left some hard challenges (sure for many). May they be releasing taken and increase conviction.


March 25, 2018, 01:40:14 PM
Gute Antwort. Sadhu!


March 25, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
 :-* :-* :-*

beste wünsche zurück an erhwürdigen bhante! es ist unsicher wann ich wieder komme! upanissayapaccayena!  :-* :-* :-*


March 25, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
(Heute im Nordkloster, best wünsche vom Abt dort, er fragt stets "Wann kommt er? Ich muß immer an ihn denken."


March 24, 2018, 10:44:34 AM


March 24, 2018, 09:52:48 AM
 :-* heute ist uposatha!! ich wünsche allen ein verdienstvollen tag! mögen die devas jene bescheid geben, die kein zugang haben! :-*


March 23, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
Sadhu! Zu was immer einer Zuflucht nimmt, sich hingibt, daran erfreut, das wird/ist sein Schutz, für Bindung oder Ungebundenheit.


March 23, 2018, 01:43:01 AM
 :-* möge die drei juwelen den ehrwürdigen bhante beschützen und ihn auf seinem weg unterstützen :-*


March 23, 2018, 01:28:02 AM
Kampf der Devas mit den Asuras um den Berg. :)


March 23, 2018, 01:26:30 AM
Regenzeit... außen trüb und unangenehm, nagend, faulend, doch dahinter ist alles fein.


March 23, 2018, 01:10:47 AM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, ja soweit alles gut! und wie geht es ihnen?  :-*


March 23, 2018, 12:58:05 AM
verlesen... Marcel :) alles gut im (ver)laufen?


March 23, 2018, 12:26:23 AM


March 21, 2018, 03:42:55 PM


March 21, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
 :-* mögen sie alle noch in diesem leben das herz von avijja befreien!!! :-*


March 19, 2018, 05:20:12 AM
This "wiki"-like backup tool is meant as a outwardy insurance that one does not be afraid that anything possible good can be desroyed or made bad while looking for cleaning it. So worry at all, kamma does not dissapear. No need to fear to make good deeds, knowing that.


March 19, 2018, 04:03:35 AM
And there is no intention to just make a museum out of a working and concentration camp, since the Dhamma can not be understood by just looking on forms but by learning and experiance skillful deeds.


March 19, 2018, 04:00:47 AM
Post-history: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1164.0.html (but there is no notification system). My person uses to make a @mention , off topic "/me" in the OP.


March 19, 2018, 03:49:28 AM
Or to simply make a new post. No need to be shy in doing good things. It's not a museum, it's a working and concentration place. Mudita.


March 19, 2018, 03:47:57 AM
There is such as a "wiki" backup function in all posts, Nyom Danilo. Good is to use the mention option, at the places where making changes @Johann , that it gets not "lost".


March 19, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
I have a backup of the original post in any case. I might review the second post next time. Very insightful teaching. _/\_


March 19, 2018, 03:01:35 AM
I've recently fixed many words and sentences of the first post of the thread "Debts, but to whom?". It take me some time trying to figure out the meaning of some sentences. So it would be good if Bhante could check if the original intended meaning of the post still intact. I have a backup of the ori


March 19, 2018, 01:57:28 AM
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_


March 19, 2018, 12:01:09 AM
One leading to peaks pointing downward so that aging, sickness and death can be seen, know him/her as a sage, a giver of release.


March 18, 2018, 11:57:30 PM
One leading people to papanca, promoting rejoicing in objectification as the heart wood, increases to fields of corpse in the world.

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