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Author Topic: Be carful! On having compassion with a trading monk, one without gratitude.  (Read 145 times)

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This matter was of course often discussed, but since it is seemingly a moder "species" it can not be to less warned of. Of cource there is much to doubt, that members of the Sangha would take care on each other, since they are mostly by themselves hardily involved in certain householder means of livelihood and ways.

My person can understand why people at large in the west "fear" beggars, if they are mostly of that "poor" size.

Quote from: via email to Anandajoti
Bhante,

my person likes to trust that everything goes well for Bhantes progress on the path and that he does not lack of the prerequisites for it.

Some time ago the gver of sangham.net organised a server migartion. Caused by that the access datas for the email server have changed. Pardon the delay in regard of personal information.

The online access to you mail account is now: http://mail.greensta.de/ (old was:http://ssl.greensta.de/mail)

To be able to use certain email client (outlook, yahoo,... ) for sending and receiving emails, Bhante needs to change the old income/outgoing server from the old name "kunden.greensta.de" to the new one "mail.greensta.de" in his settings.

A simple explaining with pictures can be found here: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,8154.msg12481.html#msg12481 (likewise for other programs)

Other datas like pass word have not been changed. In the case it got lost, let it be known, so that a reset to a new one can be made.

If Bhante has any questions or would be helped in certain ways, he might feel always welcome to do so, and as much as possible, there would be the try to solve certain obstacles.

Much joy and skillful undertakings with it as well as best wishes.


Samana Johann
doing Forest monk in Cambodia
(You are welcome to visit sangham.net)

Quote from: answer by Anandajoti
Dear Ven.,

I never asked for and do not need an email with sangham.net, as I was joined to that group without consent or prior knowledge.

Please delete all information on your servers pertaining to me, including email addresses, etc.

Wishing you all the best

Metta, Anandajoti

Quote from: to Anandajoti in replay
Dear Bhante,

of course Bhante has not ask for it, for it has been given so that Bhante would not need to ask for or take, althought it is even given to take (to ask for) consciously for members of the Sangha in that case.

For the case Bhante has no need of this gift, he might just let it unused, yet it will be still there for the case it might be of need and seen as useful.

It would not be destroyed or taken back anyway.

Best progress and may Bhante always gain all prerequesites for best deliverance.

Samana Johann
doing Forest monk in Cambodia
(You are welcome to visit sangham.net)

Quote from: reaction of the 'monk'
You need to remove all information you have including all email addresses from the server. You have no right to this material. Remove it. Metta, Anandajoti

Quote from: and offensive of him, send to abuse @ corehub. net
Dear Friends,

According to https://www.whois.net/ you are the registrant for the website sangham.net

This website has registered my name for an email address: anandajoti@sangham.net

I have asked the owner, Johann Brucker, many times to remove this email as I didn't request it, and nor do I want it.

The owner has registered many monastics with his organisation without their knowledge or permit.

Please takes whatever steps are necessary to remove all information about me from this website and its databases.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Metta, Anandajoti

Certainly this 'monk' is not aware of what he abuses Dhamma, Vinaya and the faith of devoted lay people.

If not giving support in the way a Juwel trading monk likes to have it for his wordily objectives one can face really unpleasent results when giving assuming to a member of the Savaka Sangha or with intent to such.

For more on this topic, to be sure not to invest wrong, this topic might be useful:

[Q&A] How Do Monks Say Grace Before Eating?

One should be aware that "modern" or "western" 'monks', yet not having left home, thinking in therms of householder, in therms of rights, holding next to bank accounts and all that is financed by the country, are seldom afraid to act like householder, not afraid to even harm their supporters and those looking after help.

They are not dare to even ask householder to make services for them... not to speak of taking what is not given general.

(Note that Anandajoti Bhikkhu has been given it actually years ago)

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Discourse on the Ten Dhammas (Dasa-dhamma sutta [1])   

Thus have I heard:

On one occasion the Blessed One was living near Savatthi at Jetavana at the monastery of Anathapindika.

Then the Blessed One addressed the monks, saying: "Monks." — "Venerable Sir," they said by way of reply. The Blessed One then spoke as follows:

"These ten essentials (dhammas) must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth (to live the holy life). What are these ten?

1. "'I am now changed into a different mode of life (from that of a layman).' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

2. "'My life depends on others.' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

3. "'I must now behave in a different manner.' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

4. "'Does my mind upbraid me regarding the state of my virtue (sila)?' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

5. "'Do my discerning fellow-monks having tested me, reproach me regarding the state of my virtue?' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

6. "'There will be a parting (some day) from all those who are dear and loving to me. Death brings this separation to me.' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

7. "'Of kamma[2] I am constituted. Kamma is my inheritance; kamma is the matrix; kamma is my kinsman; kamma is my refuge. Whatever kamma I perform, be it good or bad, to that I shall be heir.' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

8. "'How do I spend my nights and days?' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

9. "'Do I take delight in solitude?' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

10. "'Have I gained superhuman faculties? Have I gained that higher wisdom so that when I am questioned (on this point) by fellow-monks at the last moment (when death is approaching) I will have no occasion to be depressed and downcast?' This must be reflected upon again and again by one who has gone forth.

"These, monks, are the essentials that should be reflected again and again by one who has gone forth (to live the holy life)."

So spoke the Blessed One. Those monks rejoiced at the words of the Blessed One.

If it would be possible to take without the owners consciously knowing say for example anandajoti@yahoo.com or anandajoti@google.de , for whom ever wishes so?

And what do you think in regard of someone living on the alms of the land?

The "funny" side of the story here is, that those monks not dare to take consider digital things and copyrights as something out of frame of "taking what is not given" and say, nothing has been moved away... yet, on the other hand they permit, hold rights and make claims... "Taking of what is given", does not fit for them, to less real (maybe).

If one sticks in that paññatti, then it's really difficult to argue in any direction... serious. No possibility to help. Neither "material" nor mental.

"If dissatisfaction (with the celibate life) arises in the mentor, one should allay it or get someone else to allay it or one should give him a Dhamma talk. If anxiety (over his conduct with regard to the rules) arises in the mentor, one should dispel it or get someone else to dispel it or one should give him a Dhamma talk. If wrong view arises in the mentor, one should dissuade him or get someone else to dissuade him or one should give him a Dhamma talk.

"If the mentor has committed an offense against a heavy (sanghadisesa) rule and deserves probation, the pupil should make an effort, (thinking,) 'How can the community grant my mentor probation?' If the mentor deserves to be sent back to the beginning... deserves penance... deserves rehabilitation, the pupil should make an effort, (thinking,) 'How can the community grant my mentor rehabilitation?'

"If the community wants to carry out a transaction against the mentor — censure, guidance, banishment, reconciliation, or suspension — the pupil should make an effort, (thinking,) 'How can the community not carry out that transaction against my mentor or else change it to a lighter one?' But if the transaction — censure... suspension — is carried out against him, the pupil should make an effort, (thinking,) 'How can my mentor behave properly, lower his hackles, mend his ways, so that the community will rescind that transaction?'
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