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[Q&A] Are there other people, according to Buddhism?
« on: October 26, 2017, 11:19:05 AM »
Are there other people, according to Buddhism?

When I was on a Self Inquiry retreat last year, I was explaining why I wanted to help other people. One of the two teachers looked at me and said, "There are no other people." That sort-of made sense to me. The next day I had a realization which made it make sense completely.

But the other day (is there another day?) I saw it in a different way: that it simply does not matter whether there are other people or not, because I can never have real insight in to them, so I am completely alone in my path. My image of two people is like spheres touching at one hypothetical point (Indra's Net). I cannot see much through a point-sized window on to (hypothetical) someone-else's world. This is like Vivekacudemani #515:

I am Actionless.
I am Changeless.
I am Partless.
I am Without Purpose.
I am Eternal.
I do not require any prop.
I am One, without a Second.

If I am One, can I know anyone else? What does Buddhism say on this point?

Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.

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In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community  _/\_ , my person tries to answer this question. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.

Valued Upasaka, Upasika, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,

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(This is a maybe modified and expanded answer of the "original" that can be found here .)



- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

No comprende, UUU, and those here possible interested,


assuming it's asked for the purpose of release, for it's purpose this answer follows:

Q: Are there other people, according to Buddhism?

According to the Buddha and his Dhamma, there are all around, all the time, other people, and to hold the perception of the two governing principles arosen, in cases that the perception of self is current out of sign, is a very needed to be reminded to keep right effort arosen and to gain deliverence, so be sure that I or others see UUU`s, or your actions, know what you think, speak or do.

Phenomenalical pondering and try to grasp this view or that are not conductive for release. One just will die, the arrow not removed .

An what is right effort , supported by one, two or three governing principles, not having abound them, not denying them?

 

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"One tries to abandon wrong view & to enter into right view : This is one's right effort...

 

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

"And how is right view the forerunner? One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view. And what is wrong view? 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no brahmans or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is wrong view...

"One tries to abandon wrong resolve & to enter into right resolve: This is one's right effort...

 

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

"And what is right resolve? Being resolved on renunciation, on freedom from ill-will, on harmlessness: This is called right resolve."

— SN 45.8

"One tries to abandon wrong speech & to enter into right speech: This is one's right effort...

 

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

"There are these ten topics of [proper] conversation. Which ten? Talk on modesty, on contentment, on seclusion, on non-entanglement, on arousing persistence, on virtue, on concentration, on discernment, on release, and on the knowledge & vision of release. These are the ten topics of conversation. If you were to engage repeatedly in these ten topics of conversation, you would outshine even the sun & moon, so mighty, so powerful — to say nothing of the wanderers of other sects."

— AN 10.69

"One tries to abandon wrong action & to enter into right action: This is one's right effort...

 

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

"Having thus gone forth, following the training & way of life of the monks, abandoning the taking of life, he abstains from the taking of life. He dwells with his rod laid down, his knife laid down, scrupulous, kind, compassionate for the welfare of all living beings. Abandoning the taking of what is not given, he abstains from taking what is not given. He takes only what is given, accepts only what is given, lives not by stealth but by means of a self that has become pure. Abandoning uncelibacy, he lives a celibate life, aloof, refraining from the sexual act that is the villager's way."

— AN X 99

"One tries to abandon wrong livelihood & to enter into right livelihood: This is one's right effort."

 

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

"'When brahmans or contemplatives who are unpurified in their livelihood resort to isolated forest or wilderness dwellings, it's the fault of their unpurified livelihood that they give rise to unskillful fear & terror. But it's not the case that I am unpurified in my livelihood when I resort to isolated forest or wilderness dwellings. I am purified in my livelihood. I am one of those noble ones who are purified in their livelihood when they resort to isolated forest or wilderness dwellings.' Seeing in myself this purity of livelihood, I felt even more undaunted about staying in the wilderness.

"The thought occurred to me: 'When brahmans or contemplatives who are covetous & fiercely passionate for sensual pleasures... I am not covetous... I have a mind of good will... devoid of sloth & drowsiness... a still mind... gone beyond uncertainty... I do not praise myself or disparage others... gone beyond horripilation... few wants... persistence is aroused... mindfulness established......'When brahmans or contemplatives who are unconcentrated, with straying minds... I am consummate in concentration.

— MN 4

— MN 117

Again:

"And what, monks, is right effort?

"There is the case where a monk generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the non-arising of evil, unskillful qualities that have not yet arisen.

[ii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the abandonment of evil, unskillful qualities that have arisen.

[iii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the arising of skillful qualities that have not yet arisen.

[iv] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the maintenance, non-confusion, increase, plenitude, development, & culmination of skillful qualities that have arisen: This, monks, is called right effort."

— SN 45.8
Quote from: right effort

On significantly of the circumstances here:

 

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

The Contemplation of Dualities


Those who don't discern stress,
  what brings stress into play,
  & where it totally stops,
      without trace;
  who don't know the path,
  the way to the stilling of stress:
      lowly
  in their awareness-release
  & discernment-release,
      incapable
  of making an end,
      they're headed
      to birth & aging.

But those who discern stress,
  what brings stress into play,
  & where it totally stops,
      without trace;
  who discern the path,
  the way to the stilling of stress:
      consummate
  in their awareness-release
  & discernment-release,
      capable
  of making an end,
      they aren't headed
         to birth & aging.

Anumodana!
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