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[Q&A] What are the characteristics of karmaless action?
« on: October 26, 2017, 11:35:16 AM »
What are the characteristics of karmaless action?

What are the characteristics of karmaless action?

Assuming one has to operate in the temporal sphere, but seeks to diminish the karmic implications of action, what are the characteristics of karmaless actions?

Is this distinct from right action?

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(This is a maybe modified and expanded answer of the "original" that can be found here .)



- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa



DukeZhou, who ever finds intereset,


reading the question, the answers and comments a little, looking for possible places to make a benefical share, possible correcting, possible filling lacks, possible provoking skillful thoughts, possible to proper perception of the path to release, and therefore possible leading to abonding, disenchantment, release:

 

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

A person unknowing:
  the actions performed by him,
  born of greed, born of aversion,
  & born of delusion,
  whether many or few,
  are experienced right here:
      no other ground is found.

So a monk, knowing, (eg. Arahat)
      sheds
  greed, aversion, & delusion;
  giving rise to clear knowledge, he
      sheds
  all bad destinations.
Quote from: AN 3.33

When the root of kamma, not-knowing (avijjā), is up-rooted, abonded, reminderless destoyed, with the lack of effluents of the mind (which is also the root for lobha and dosa), no more kamma comes into be.

Note, since it is often misunderstood missinterprated. Such as "neutral (avyākata) kamma" is not all a kamma with no results.

Kamma of a mind that is not released from not-knowing, even if neither skillful nor unskillful, does neither cause increase nor decrease not-knowing. Therefore, dwelling in a neutal mind-state (which has not abounded not-knowing) still has the quality of wandering on in the kammic circle, has it's effects.

Dwelling in "non-action " which actually is not, therefore makes no sense for release. Skillful actions are required as base to uproot avijjā, to develop the path.

So called Zazen or only samatta are no means for liberation in and off themselves.

Even a "neutral" mind state (yet mind still deluded), dwelling on such stand, is conditioned, subject to becoming and all of which is originated is subject to decay.

One seeks for kammic consequences which are cutting off, needs to cause a result of cutting off, come to a state beyound states, unbinding, release.

 

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa



‘‘Katamañca, bhikkhave, kammaṃ akaṇhaasukkaṃ akaṇhaasukkavipākaṃ kammakkhayāya saṃvattati? Sammādiṭṭhi…pe… sammāsamādhi. Idaṃ vuccati, bhikkhave, kammaṃ akaṇhaasukkaṃ akaṇhaasukkavipākaṃ kammakkhayāya saṃvattati. Imāni kho, bhikkhave, cattāri kammāni mayā sayaṃ abhiññā sacchikatvā paveditānī’’ti.


"And what is kamma that is neither dark nor bright with neither dark nor bright result, leading to the ending of kamma? Right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration. This is called kamma that is neither dark nor bright with neither dark nor bright result, leading to the ending of kamma.

Therefore:

Assuming one has to operate in the temporal sphere, but seeks to diminish the karmic implications of action, what are the characteristics of karmaless actions?

One who operates, if there is a notion of one who operates, causes kamma and results. The results of "neutral" kamma, depending on the quality of mind, leads to either pleasant, unpleasant or functional results.

The chatacteristic of kamma-less actions is, that such are based on realeased mind.

Is this distinct from right action?

This is distinct of right action yes. Right kamma, neutral kamma, kamma that leads to an end of kamma and such deeds without results, are differnt Dhammas.

For more on ending kamma (if that's the questions underlying purpose at least, or answer had lead to this, if not solved yet) one may see further: MN 57 ; "Kamma and the Ending of Kamma " in The Wings to Awakening.



Addition:

Consider also, if thinking to "boddhisatta"-around the compassioned advice of Upasaka Vorapol  , on the possible root-inclination of the question, here. Hopeless overestimating, while mostly not capable to keep basic precepts, even fear of having no electricity but thinking a strive for a more noble then a noble, is very common, here, and today like all the time.

No one can avoid any kamma in a very long travel in saṅsāravaṭṭa, except niyata-bodhisatta (bodhisatta who has enough experience to be an inevitable person to enlighten as buddha).

However, niyata-bodhisatta still born in hell, except just avīci-hell, still born as animals, except just very small and very big body animals, etc.

So, although you are bodhisatta, you still can not avoid the hell.

In commentary's statistic, just jhāna people have a lifetime much enough to get a very small chance to meet metteyya-buddha, and just 4th jhāna people (of 8 jhāna) and anāgāmi-ariya have a lifetime much enough to get a very small chance to meet next buddha after metteyya-buddha.

The other people, such as all 1st-6th heaven people and all human, will die before the next buddha meeting, and their death can lead them to the hell infinity time, before their next buddha meeting.

Bodhisatta develop their wholesome minds without any fear, although they realizing that they will born in hell uncountable time before the enlightenment.
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