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Author Topic: Who can ordain a Samaneri (nun)? | Wer kann eine Samaneri einweihen (Nonne)?  (Read 789 times)

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Never asked my person deeply about this question, just had in relation with coming aware of the "tragical" situation of Kathrin Vimalañāṇī shortly reflected if such would be possible (in ways like "could I, as a man, ever train a woman" in regard of the holly life as homeless"), where my person did by best try saw no possibility. There was, like most, no consideration of such as formality but very on a Dhamma level.

Now having been seen the question on DW days ago, coming to awarness again, and thinking on all the many Samaneris running around here and there, not to think on even "Dynasties" like that of Ayya Khema, bild up upon it,  it might be possible serious to get a little bit deeper into the matter.

For my person it's here possible clear now how the heritage of them could fall into the hands of lay people and not the Sangha. But every details in this regard, from formal angles, are welcome.

At least especially for woman who seek after a seriously way to live a renounced live.
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Vermutend, daß das Thema Samaneri zu Buddhas Zeiten gar kein Thema war, hier nun die Anmerkung von Bhante Dhammanando:

Der Vinaya Piṭaka und Vinaya Kommentare sagen nichts darüber aus, wem es erlaubt ist, Sāmaṇerī-Pabbajjā (Fortziehen als Hauslose) zu geben. Spätere kommentarliche Texte, wie Mahāvaṃsa und Vinaya Sub-Kommentare sagen, daß nur eine Bhikkhunī solches tun mag.

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Aber die Königin Anulā, welche mit fünfhundert Frauen gekommen ist, um die Theras zu begrüßen, hat die zweite Stufe der Befreiung (Einmalwiederkehrer) erlangt. Und die Königin Anulā, mit ihren fünfhundert Frauen, sagte zum König: "Wir würden gerne die Pabbajjā-Einweihung erhalten, Eure Majestät."

Der König sagte zu den Theras: "Verleiht ihnen das Pabbajja (Fortziehen). Doch die Theras antworteten dem König: kEs ist uns nicht erlaubt. Oh großer König, Pabbajjā Frauen zu geben. Aber in Pataliputta lebt eine Bhikkhunī, meine jüngere Schwester, gekannt unter dem Namen Saṅghamittā. Sie, die reif in Erfahrung ist, möge hier her kommen, mit ihr den südlichen Ast des großen Bodhibaumes, des Königs der Samaṇas, bringend, Oh König der Menschheit, und auch Bhikkhunīs, bekannt ( für Heiligkeit bringend; an diese Ende sendet eine Nachricht an den König, meinen Vater. Wenn diese Therī hier ist, wird sie den Frauen das Pabbajjā gewährend verleihen.
(Mahāvaṃsa ch. XV)

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May the venerable members of the Sangha, and those lerned or knowing, listen to my persons word, be-read:

Now, in regard of that, that there might be the right or wrong believe, that there is a possibility lasting, that woman (or girls) may obtain the going forth (pabbajja) as Sāmaṇerī, Anagarikini, Maechi, Thilasin, or what ever lable of a woman, leaving house in the homelessness, under the teaching and discipline of the Buddha, then possible without a proper femal preceptor or teacher - would go about for a life - , and how a preceptor-disciple, teacher-student-relation, possible between "father and daughter" would look like, therefore, it would be good to investigate this matter, at least to not compair equal wrong, or equal right, with each other, by improper measure.

It would be good, when those learned or knowing, out of compassion for many, would declare it, so that those with less dust in the eyes could grasp.

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Johann

November 20, 2018, 12:39:06 PM
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November 20, 2018, 06:45:22 AM
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November 18, 2018, 04:33:20 PM
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November 18, 2018, 03:29:08 PM
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November 18, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
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November 17, 2018, 02:54:22 PM
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November 17, 2018, 02:29:15 PM
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November 17, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
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November 17, 2018, 12:54:00 PM
Nyom Villa. Sokh chamreoun.
 

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November 17, 2018, 12:48:37 PM
ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ​  _/\_
 

Johann

November 16, 2018, 01:00:45 AM
May all delight in observing this Sila-days inspirations of cleaning the mind.
 

Johann

November 15, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Mag da Freude mit guten Unternehmungen sein.
 

Roman

November 15, 2018, 01:46:28 PM
ich gehe jetzt wieder an die Arbeit. ich wünsche allen einen friedevollen Tag!
 

Roman

November 15, 2018, 01:35:30 PM
ich würde mich sehr freuen dass mal mit eigenen augen zu sehen..habe auch geplant nächstes Jahr nach Kambodscha zu kommen.
 

Johann

November 15, 2018, 01:14:27 PM
Thmo Duk , zur Zeit und schon gute Weile, Nyom Roman.
 

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November 15, 2018, 01:07:51 PM
Hello Cheav Villa

 

Roman

November 15, 2018, 12:57:27 PM
Johann wo leben sie eigentlich? Khemakumara erzählte mir dass sie eine Höle bewohnen im aural gebirge, wie ich mich erinneren kann
 

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November 15, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
Hallo Johann
 

Johann

November 15, 2018, 12:52:15 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Cheav Villa

November 15, 2018, 09:03:03 AM
Kuna Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

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November 15, 2018, 08:56:25 AM
Everything fine now with Nyoms settings? (Nyom Sokdina is Nyom Villas husband, right? My person is very ignorant in remembering names and relations.)
 

Kong Sokdina

November 15, 2018, 08:18:06 AM
Because I Kuna cant go sangham.net
after move Gmail to mail Green.
 

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November 15, 2018, 08:13:31 AM
Prah Ang
I kuna Villa using his Acct _/\_
 

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November 15, 2018, 08:04:33 AM
Nyom Kong Sokdina.
 

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November 15, 2018, 03:16:45 AM
A fruitful Sila-observance day for those obsering it today.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 03:52:00 PM
Nyom Roman and Bhantes family will be surely happy and good that Bhante does not need to get much involved directly.
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
Kuna Prah Ang
 _/\_
The Kathina will be holding on Sat 17 and Sun 18. I kuna will meet both of Bhante Sreng and Bhante Khemearakuma to imform all about this, incl sharing much pictures.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
Good if Nyom could explain Bhante Sreng how to use the online monastery. Sadhu! A topic on Bhante Khemakumaras going forth can be found here . Good also if informing and share date of Kathina at Wat Ayom, and much pictures to share
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:55:43 PM
Kuna Prah Ang,
As I kuna knowing that Prah Ang Khemareakuma
was staying in Ork Yum Pagoda.
This Saturday or Sunday I kuna would join the Kathin there, but now I kuna will send some about Bhante Khemareakuma via FB Prah Ang Sreng.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:37:46 PM
Nyom Roman, Nyom Villa asked if she can help in something in regard of Bhante. Best when you talk in a new topic.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
Nyom Roman , Bhantes twin brother and his family asked how Bhante is. They miss him much and Bhante praisworthy focus on practice.
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:27:20 PM
ព្រះអង្គ  _/\_
តើខ្ញុំកូណានឹងអាចជួយអ្វីខ្លះអ្វីអំពីព្រះអង្គ​ Khemareakuma?
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:15:11 PM
ជំរាបសួរលោក​ Moritz
_/\_
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
កូណាមិនបានដឹងទេ ព្រះអង្គ​
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 02:12:36 PM
ជំរាបសួរ Cheav Villa _/\_
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 02:12:29 PM
Auf Wiedersehen, Roman. Ich schreibe dir noch zurück per E-Mail und mache hier am besten noch ein Thema auf für später.

_/\_
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:03:05 PM
Does Nyom Villa know Bhante Khemakumaras twin brother?
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
Eine Reihe der neuen Mitglieder hier, Nyom Villa, Puthy... sind öfter in Kontakt und in den Klöstern Ayum und in Phnom Penh. Mag sein, daß jemand von den Upasikas kürzlich Kontakt hatte. Gut auch wenn Nyom guten Kontakt zu anderen Laien vor Ort Pflegt, hallo sagt...
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
ich danke ihnen Johann und Motiz für die informationen und unterstützung.
 ich muss  jetzt weiter. ich  wünsche allen einen friedevolle tag
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Ein paar generelle und erklärende Worte zum Thema Unterstützen hier: If willing to help the child, the "poor" the new, give to it's master, father!

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