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Author Topic: Who can ordain a Samaneri (nun)? | Wer kann eine Samaneri einweihen (Nonne)?  (Read 807 times)

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Never asked my person deeply about this question, just had in relation with coming aware of the "tragical" situation of Kathrin Vimalañāṇī shortly reflected if such would be possible (in ways like "could I, as a man, ever train a woman" in regard of the holly life as homeless"), where my person did by best try saw no possibility. There was, like most, no consideration of such as formality but very on a Dhamma level.

Now having been seen the question on DW days ago, coming to awarness again, and thinking on all the many Samaneris running around here and there, not to think on even "Dynasties" like that of Ayya Khema, bild up upon it,  it might be possible serious to get a little bit deeper into the matter.

For my person it's here possible clear now how the heritage of them could fall into the hands of lay people and not the Sangha. But every details in this regard, from formal angles, are welcome.

At least especially for woman who seek after a seriously way to live a renounced live.
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Vermutend, daß das Thema Samaneri zu Buddhas Zeiten gar kein Thema war, hier nun die Anmerkung von Bhante Dhammanando:

Der Vinaya Piṭaka und Vinaya Kommentare sagen nichts darüber aus, wem es erlaubt ist, Sāmaṇerī-Pabbajjā (Fortziehen als Hauslose) zu geben. Spätere kommentarliche Texte, wie Mahāvaṃsa und Vinaya Sub-Kommentare sagen, daß nur eine Bhikkhunī solches tun mag.

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Aber die Königin Anulā, welche mit fünfhundert Frauen gekommen ist, um die Theras zu begrüßen, hat die zweite Stufe der Befreiung (Einmalwiederkehrer) erlangt. Und die Königin Anulā, mit ihren fünfhundert Frauen, sagte zum König: "Wir würden gerne die Pabbajjā-Einweihung erhalten, Eure Majestät."

Der König sagte zu den Theras: "Verleiht ihnen das Pabbajja (Fortziehen). Doch die Theras antworteten dem König: kEs ist uns nicht erlaubt. Oh großer König, Pabbajjā Frauen zu geben. Aber in Pataliputta lebt eine Bhikkhunī, meine jüngere Schwester, gekannt unter dem Namen Saṅghamittā. Sie, die reif in Erfahrung ist, möge hier her kommen, mit ihr den südlichen Ast des großen Bodhibaumes, des Königs der Samaṇas, bringend, Oh König der Menschheit, und auch Bhikkhunīs, bekannt ( für Heiligkeit bringend; an diese Ende sendet eine Nachricht an den König, meinen Vater. Wenn diese Therī hier ist, wird sie den Frauen das Pabbajjā gewährend verleihen.
(Mahāvaṃsa ch. XV)

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May the venerable members of the Sangha, and those lerned or knowing, listen to my persons word, be-read:

Now, in regard of that, that there might be the right or wrong believe, that there is a possibility lasting, that woman (or girls) may obtain the going forth (pabbajja) as Sāmaṇerī, Anagarikini, Maechi, Thilasin, or what ever lable of a woman, leaving house in the homelessness, under the teaching and discipline of the Buddha, then possible without a proper femal preceptor or teacher - would go about for a life - , and how a preceptor-disciple, teacher-student-relation, possible between "father and daughter" would look like, therefore, it would be good to investigate this matter, at least to not compair equal wrong, or equal right, with each other, by improper measure.

It would be good, when those learned or knowing, out of compassion for many, would declare it, so that those with less dust in the eyes could grasp.

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Thinking in therms of rights is grave wrong view, miccha ditthi. And there are times when voting is not usefull. Of cause people who go after such ideas simply search for relexation, fun and joy and will be not satisfied by the Dhamma, Nyom Sokdina. Don't follow fools and see the many goodness of ma
 

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ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ!
Human rigths!
Women rigths,
Children rights,
Democrecy;
We know the right to do. I use self-reflaction to our mind what are something in. The right way is a good way all wr wish. I have to g
ask you about the breath relaxation, meditatii
 

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ព្រះអង្គ​Inddanano _/\_
 

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December 04, 2018, 11:52:14 AM
Sadhu! Kana Prah Ang;
There are many ways to wash & clean the all minds, Preah konmchas; i had been taught by prf. from Spain with theory & practice as well since 2006-2009 and i also let my clients to do like whatever you have told me right now. For me at this time; it should use cognitive behavio
 

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Nyoms! Last night, a gouhter is affect by irritable cougbhing so it disurbance to sleep.
 

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December 03, 2018, 02:11:21 AM
Sadhu! Thanks!
It is just  tried to give up & burn out of bad spiritul inside. Your Wishes isi good for all.
 

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December 02, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
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December 02, 2018, 02:18:46 AM
Respectfully
Today, my is ill with lower blood pressure & blurred sion. But she tries to see because she really praises excellent merit, moral & virtue. How do you think  , as humanbeing?
 

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December 01, 2018, 12:29:08 PM
 :o ព្រះអង្គស្រេងអាចនឹងដំឡេីងកម្មវិធីទាំងអស់នោះវិញបាននៅពេលក្រោយ ព្រះអង្គ _/\_
 

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Not easy, but Atma has now erased all facebook, messenger.. apps on Bhantes device. Maybe possible to prepar the old Sangha-laptop in proper ways for him.
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 07:58:21 AM
If wishing, you could use the Pali-language forum, http://sangham.net/index.php/board,26.0.html for your lessons.
 

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December 01, 2018, 06:57:19 AM
 :D _/\_
 

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December 01, 2018, 06:48:05 AM
.. was written by Johann
 

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December 01, 2018, 06:45:34 AM
It's good to make everything that Huang's may not use messenger and things like Facebook! Of course there is support (given support) needed to do so. Don't pull monks into the worlds markets and ways.
 

Cheav Villa

December 01, 2018, 06:00:30 AM
Kuna Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

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December 01, 2018, 05:22:57 AM
Bhante is just taking his meal, Nyom.
 

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November 30, 2018, 11:20:52 AM
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November 30, 2018, 05:43:37 AM
Everything "fine", better Dhammata, Nyom. Atma met Nyom. His mind is attentive, he could listen and its up to his own further investigation, blessed, being bound to care only about his breath for the time left.
 

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November 29, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
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November 29, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ  :D
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November 29, 2018, 11:10:38 AM
Sadhu
 

Cheav Villa

November 29, 2018, 08:56:23 AM
Bhante Johann arrived Wat Pothi Satharam Today.
Anumodana _/\_
 

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November 27, 2018, 03:26:16 PM
Bhante Khemakumara
_/\_
 

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November 26, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
Nyom Roman
 

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November 26, 2018, 04:01:29 PM
Nyom Roman
 

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November 26, 2018, 02:05:56 PM
Nyom Cheav Villa
 

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November 26, 2018, 04:44:41 AM
ជំរាបសួរបងស្រីSophorn _/\_

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