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2019 May 24 14:13:29
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 May 24 13:28:52
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 24 05:23:33
Johann: Venerable

2019 May 24 05:22:57
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Johann

2019 May 24 02:08:29
Johann: Nyom Moritz, Nyom Villa.

2019 May 24 01:55:56
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 24 01:54:14
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 May 24 01:49:43
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 24 01:06:04
Johann: Venerable Ariyadhammika  _/\_

2019 May 20 04:14:26
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 20 01:31:27
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Indannano

2019 May 19 11:28:39
Khemakumara: Nyom Cheav Villa

2019 May 19 11:27:48
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 18 23:55:08
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 18 10:34:49
amanaki: Thank you Johann  _/\_

2019 May 18 09:59:33
Johann: Nyom Amanaki. Mudita that you may have possible found what searched for on a special day.

2019 May 18 09:24:56
Maria:  _/\_

2019 May 18 09:24:35
Maria: werter Bhante!

2019 May 18 09:22:43
Johann: Nyom Mizi

2019 May 18 09:21:31
Johann: Nyom Sophorn, Nyom Villa... may all here but also there rejoice in own and others goodness.

2019 May 18 05:03:47
Cheav Villa: សាធុ​សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 18 02:16:49
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 14 07:51:30
Vithou:  _/\_

2019 May 14 05:40:54
Johann: As long as not using telefon while riding. Sokh chomreoun, Nyom.

2019 May 13 18:38:46
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ (sitting in Taxi)

2019 May 12 15:44:32
Johann: But better ask Nyom Chanroth, since Atma does not walk that far these days.

2019 May 12 15:04:01
Johann: not teally, Nyom Vithou. Still less water in the streams here. Some still dry. Needs a while down from the mountains and not that much rain yet.

2019 May 12 14:54:37
Vithou: how is the road Bhante? Is it float at the mountain leg?

2019 May 12 14:51:59
Vithou:   _/\_

2019 May 12 14:40:43
Johann: Nyom Vithou. Nothing special. Yes, rain is present every afternoon since some days.

2019 May 12 14:38:33
Vithou: Bhante, how is everything at Asrum? Is it raining everyday?

2019 May 12 07:05:30
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 12 03:58:19
Johann: a joyful day in merits on this Sila-day

2019 May 11 17:04:10
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_

2019 May 11 16:16:56
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 May 11 05:35:39
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 11 00:52:44
Johann: an meritful Uposatha, those keeping it today

2019 May 10 17:14:43
Moritz: Chom reap leah, I am going to work. _/\_

2019 May 10 17:09:07
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 May 10 17:07:14
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 10 16:19:14
Moritz: Chom reap sour, bong Villa _/\_

2019 May 07 19:12:10
Johann: Nyom Vithou. Just some hours ago, thought of him.

2019 May 05 04:26:53
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 04 11:41:08
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 04 10:27:38
Khemakumara: Nyom Cheav Villa

2019 May 03 10:08:09
Khemakumara: Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 03 01:17:53
Johann: A meritful new moon Uposatha those celebrating it today.

2019 May 03 01:16:05
Johann: Talk box is buggy and lines love to jump. Better not editing.

2019 May 03 01:14:19
Johann: U Chanroth: "ថ្ងៃនេះខ្ញុំបាទ បានទទួលនៅសម្ភារៈមួយចំនួន សម្រាប់កសាងអាស្រមថ្មទូកសូមជូនបុណ្យដល់ពុទ្ធបរិសទ័ទាំងអស់គ

2019 May 02 15:15:58
Cheav Villa:   <.I.> _/\_

2019 May 02 15:15:17
Cheav Villa: Sorry because of kh font doesn't run well on my phone. Kana go to edit  to see the right  shout but  was wrong by deleting Pou  Chanroth 's  shout

2019 May 02 15:01:04
Cheav Villa: Mudita  :) _/\_

2019 May 02 13:47:17
Moritz: Anumodana puñña kusala! _/\_

2019 May 01 14:49:38
Johann: Now some monks are so close to many, that they can be visited even by feet.

2019 May 01 06:27:25
Johann: Thats accoss the whole city and hot (but cloudy  :) ) Best wishes and greatings.

2019 May 01 06:22:36
Cheav Villa: Get lost in the jungle of Phnom Penh from 2pm till 6pm

2019 May 01 05:40:26
Cheav Villa: Bhante Khemakumara arrived at Wat Sophea Khun in late evening  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 29 09:19:56
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Apr 29 08:51:27
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Apr 29 03:07:40
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ I am going to sleep.

2019 Apr 29 02:59:19
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Apr 29 02:41:01
Moritz: _/\_ Bong Villa

2019 Apr 29 01:02:45
Johann: let's see wheter the rain has swept away the new floor ...

2019 Apr 28 13:58:19
Cheav Villa: First time of Heavy rain in Phnom Penh  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 28 10:33:14
Cheav Villa: សាធុ​សាធុ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 28 10:21:50
Johann: Oh, rain.

2019 Apr 28 08:46:02
Johann: Pleasing soft weather, yes  :)

2019 Apr 28 08:45:28
Johann: Atma rejoices with the may who possible are able to see a death man walking toward the deathless, and have even occation for a lot of spontan merits.

2019 Apr 28 07:31:59
Cheav Villa: May​ Bhante be well  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_  The sky has been cloudy since 10:30am

2019 Apr 28 03:02:15
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 May Bhante Khemakumara walk(nimun) safely. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 27 20:51:41
Johann:  :)

2019 Apr 27 20:51:11
Johann: may it be cloudy (in the hot time) so that feet may be well

2019 Apr 27 17:53:19
Moritz: May Bhante travel safely. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 27 16:38:40
Cheav Villa: May​ the Mighty Devas protected Bhante Khemakumara along the path to Wat Sophea Khun  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 27 16:03:29
Cheav Villa: ខ្ញុំ​កូណាបាន លឺថា ព្រះអង្គ​ Kemakumara នឹង​និមន្ត ចេញពី វត្ត​អកយំ​ នៅថ្ងៃស្អែក

2019 Apr 27 16:01:32
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 27 14:28:42
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Apr 27 06:55:13
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Apr 27 06:54:35
Cheav Villa:   _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 27 06:31:42
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Apr 27 06:09:34
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Apr 27 05:42:54
Moritz: _/\_

2019 Apr 27 00:54:04
Johann: A blessed and meritful halfmoon Sila-day

2019 Apr 25 07:32:44
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻អរព្រះគុណ ព្រះអង្គ

2019 Apr 25 04:42:51
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, Nyom. (May well-being come to fullfillment.)

2019 Apr 25 02:30:46
Ieng Puthy: តេីលោកRoman មានបំណងទៅវត្តអកយំនៅថ្ងៃណាដែរ?ព្រះអង្គ🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Apr 25 02:29:26
Ieng Puthy: ករុណានិង បងសុភឿន នឹងជូនលោកRoman ទៅវត្តអកយំបាន

2019 Apr 25 02:28:00
Ieng Puthy: ករុណានិង បង សុភឿន នឹងជួយស

2019 Apr 25 02:27:00
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុព្រះអង្គ Vandami Bhante

2019 Apr 24 17:56:05
Cheav Villa: កូណា សរសេរពួកយើង​ គឺជំនួសមុខ​ បងពុទ្ធីនិងសុភឿន  _/\_

2019 Apr 24 17:54:42
Cheav Villa: បង​ពុទ្ធី បានអោយកូណាសួរអំពីពេលវេលា​ ដែលលោកRoman នឹងទៅអកយំ _/\_

2019 Apr 24 17:52:47
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_  កូណាបាន ប្រាប់បងពុទ្ធី និង​សុ​ភឿន ប្រសិនបើគាត់អាចជួយបាន ព្រោះកូណាមិនមានសេរីភាពច្រើនដូចពួកគាត់

2019 Apr 24 17:01:34
Johann: Modern (ab)art of conversation and old patient culture...  :) great training only serious take on and rushing hide on messanger, fb, or in the ocean of Maras internet. Mudita.  :)

2019 Apr 23 13:36:18
Cheav Villa: Kana :D _/\_

2019 Apr 23 13:24:57
Johann: ? But light is always good. Oh, maybe the honey bee candles...: Atma told Upasika Sophorn to take them with her to share, since the mices would eat them away here. Mudita

2019 Apr 23 12:52:51
Cheav Villa: Kana Preah Ang  _/\_ Vithou told kana that Bhante sending us a pair of candles all through Bang Sophorn  :D _/\_

2019 Apr 23 12:06:15
Johann: Nyom Villa. Atma does not understand all circumstances but much mudita and appreciantion with sharing merits with each other, taking each other along good.

2019 Apr 23 11:04:23
Cheav Villa: កូណា ទើបបានដំណឹងពី Vithou ថាព្រះអង្គផ្ញើទានមួយគូមក តាមរយៈ​បងសុភ័ណ​ ខ្ញុំកូណា​សូម​អរព្រះគុណ​  :) _/\_

2019 Apr 23 11:02:19
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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Ven. Sirs, Ven. Bhante Khematto,
Aramikas, Aramikinis of monasteries and their outlets, Upasaka, Upasika,

my person, currently translating the generously given translation of the Mahavagga into German, while doing so, tries also to locate possible "errors" within the gift. Since forward might be not sure, depends on the goodness and Nissaya of many, here public, so that the Ven. Sir or those thaking care of this Sangha property, might be informed and given.

 *sgift*

May it be forwarded, received, compassionated received, for the benefit of many supporters and givers, and those to come.

May updates, additions... be understood in this manner as well, without limit of time and kind of delivery.

(Most current backup attached when following link: will be replaced from time to time)



Daily (if changed) updated drafts:



"Glossary": (05.12.2017)

transaction [Behandlung] Abhandlung

authorize gewähren

dwelling Unterkunft

storehouse Lagerhaus

motion Antrag

offense Vergehen

assembly Zusammenkunft

declaration Kundmachung

obstruction Hindernis

wrong doing Fehltun (dukkaṭassa)

authorize bestimmen (āpatti)

affiliation Zugehörigkeit [Organschaft] (ekuposathaṁ)

rehabilitated wiederhergestellt

united vereint

revoked widerrufen

announced bekannt machen

fractional parteilich

united geeint

charged belastet

perform durchführen

Convey überbringt

disrobe entbinden (vibbhamati)

suspend aussetzen

amend eingestehen

consent Zustimmung

seven-day business Siebentageunternehmung

preceptor Einweiser

staple food Hauptspeise

non-staple food Nebenspeise

steward Helfer

attendant Begleiter

proclamation Kundmachung

candidate Anwärter

support Grundlage (nissaya)

rag-robe weggeworfene Roben (Paṁsukūlacīvaraṁ)

reprimand Zurechtweisung

repudiated abgewiesen

prohibition Untersagung (āvaraṇaṁ)

expell verteiben

procedure Vorgehensweise

savaka Schüler

disciple Geselle (saddhivihāriko)



* Johann : Updated 02.03, 16.01., 11.01.2018, Updated 16.12.2017, updated 5.12.2017, backup 27.11. replaced
8.12.2017 Files can now be found on ZzE directly
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- 468 na bhikkhave yathāparisāya pātimokkhaṁ uddisitabbaṁ sakāya sakāya parisāya yo uddiseyya āpatti dukkaṭassa.

Dukkata statement missing in translation.

- 818 sammatā sā sīmā saṅghena ticīvarena avippavāso

Sangha is missing in translation.

- 871 sammatā sā sīmā saṅghena ticīvarena avippavāso ṭhapetvā gāmañca gāmūpacārañca.

Sangha is missing in translation.

- athakho tesaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ etadahosi

one time translated "those monks" mostly "them"

- 1429, 1462 sopi evamāha na me bhante vattatīti.

here transl. as "I can't"

- 1822 and later: ...paṭijānāti lohituppādako paṭijānāti ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti aññassa dātabbā pārisuddhi.

sometimes "be, to be", sometimes "admits" which is a importand distinction

- 1886, 1813 :saṅghena tattha gantvā kammaṁ kātabbaṁ

“The transaction is to be carried out when the Saṅgha has gone there [i.e., to where the sick monk is].

then 1813: saṅghena tattha gantvā kammaṁ kātabbaṁ
here: should go, perform

- Uposatha, kammaṁ = Uposatha, transaction: sometimes Uposata is translated as Uposatha-Transaction, which might confuse.

- 1949 evañcetaṁ labhetha iccetaṁ kusalaṁ no ce labhetha te ñātakā bhikkhūhi evamassu vacanīyā iṅgha tumhe āyasmanto imaṁ bhikkhuṁ muhuttaṁ nissīmaṁ netha yāva saṅgho uposathaṁ karotīti.

and 1952 evañcetaṁ labhetha iccetaṁ kusalaṁ no ce labhetha na tveva vaggena saṅghena uposatho kātabbo kareyya ce āpatti dukkaṭassa.

seems to contoversal, following the translation, since if brought out of the territory, would a performed Uposatha not factional? Or, if translation is not unclear, should it be understood, that either when lay people are present or they removed him, but just if they let go out of then reason and leave, the Uposatha can be performed.

Here "again" transaction with Uposatha mixed, changed.

- 1943 te ñātakā bhikkhūhi evamassu vacanīyā iṅgha tumhe āyasmanto imaṁ bhikkhuṁ muhuttaṁ muñcatha yāvāyaṁ bhikkhu uposathaṁ karotīti.

It seems unseemingly that the Bhikkhus would adress the Bhikkhu by "your relative", rather then like elsewhere "this Bhikkhu"

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Mv I

1524 Typo: Then Yasa looked up at the the Blessed One.

2000 "If it’s not a burden for you, we would stay one night in your fire-hall." "we" seems not to fit to the context and occation.

General: Samana: sometimes, like in Sakyan-son Samanas, as Monks translated, most as contemplatives.

General: dhammavinaye is sometimes with Dhamma-Vinaya, sometimes with Dhamma and conduct translated. A translation Teaching/doctrine and conduct might be an alternativ if such is wished.

3751: "Then he should rub the water off the preceptor, give him his lower robe, and give him his outer robe.", outer Robe (dobble layer) seems to be unseeming, maybe "the robes" using "saṅghāṭik, as previous mentioned, in the case where robes are put together, is meant here as well.

3557: "Having dried the sitting cloth and sheet in the sun, he should clean them, shake them out, bring them back in, and lay them out them as they were laid out (before).", here it seems that singular is mixed with plural. Also, some similar passages sometimes include the sun in drying, here also "sheeting", som just have "dried".

3969: "Without having taken the preceptor’s leave, (the student) should not give an alms bowl to anyone, nor should he receive an alms bowl from that person.", is it sure that bowl not simply Almsfood is meant by "patta" here? Of corse it (almsfood) might be covered by "parikkhāro", later, and would bring the bowl into addition, or.... reading http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.2:1:1825.pali , "parikkhāro" seems to cover mainly the longer lasting requirement, not food or medicine, while if seeing "patto" as given, it would then cover food and medicine as well, which makes sense then.

4021: Typos: "Ne shouldn’t go anywhere." He...

4044: "If the preceptor has a bowl (left?) and the student doesn’t, the preceptor should give the student the bowl or make an effort, (thinking,) ‘How can my student get a bowl?’": "the bowl", "a bowl seems to fit the case better. One would ask which? His (only)? oh... commentaryseems to make it clear.

4094: "cīvaraṁ saṁharitabbaṁ cīvaraṁ saṁharantena caturaṅgulaṁ kaṇṇaṁ ussādetvā cīvaraṁ saṁharitabbaṁ mā majjhe bhaṅgo ahosīti
He should fold up the robes {SC: separately}, keeping the edges four fingerbreadths apart so that neither robe becomes creased in the middle"
Anders übersetzt als im Schülerpflichenabschnitt (3629)

4567: This So-and-so is venerable So-and-sois venerable So-and-so’s candidate for Acceptance.

Seems to be a typosly repeating.

4576: may the (??) listen to me. This So-and-so is venerable So-and-so’s candidate for Acceptance.

"Sangha" seems to be missing.

4636: Why did "you you" give me the Acceptance unrequested?

Typos

5167: Taking out the spittoon, he should it them to one side.

seems to be a copy paste mistake

5301: If the teacher’s robe should be washed, the pupil should wash it or make an effort, (thinking,) ‘How can my teacher’s robe be washed?’or should he receive an alms bowl from that p

copy paste mistake?

4397: na bhikkhave paṇāmitena na khamāpetabbo yo na khamāpeyya āpatti dukkaṭassāti.

it seems that it misses a part of translation.

5782: Vigarahitvā dhammiṁ kathaṁ katvā bhikkhū āmantesi

plural?

5863: He himself is not endowed with the aggregate of concentration of one beyond training, nor does he get others to undertake the aggregate of virtue of one beyond training.

secound should be concentration as well, not virtue, or? The same for the next 5 qualities.

6714: as he did the Aṅgulimāla of the aṅgulimālattheragāthā.

a word seems to be missing "with/for..."

7752: Having been chased away by the monks, he went to the elephant-trainers and horse-trainers and said to them, “Come, friends, commit sodomy with me.

ther should be Novizes (Samanera) instead of Monks (Bhikkhus)

7956+7997: Ven, Upāli reported the matter to the monks.

There is a comma instead of a dot.

8888: Wenn die Saṅgha bereit ist, I will ask So-and-so about <span style="letter-spacing: normal">the obstructing factors.’

a forgoten span-tag

9025: the Going-forth, went off and left him alone

it should be "acceptance", or?

9224: Tassuddānaṁ

different translatet then in MV 2

1548: adhivāsetu me bhante bhagavā ajjatanāya bhattaṁ yasena kulaputtena pacchāsamaṇenāti.

Yasa was no Bhikkhu (trans. as monk) at that time, but Samana, Contemplative (one having gone fort), or?

8615: "Ven. Ānanda said, “I don’t dare to use the elder’s name. I have respect for the elder."

It seems reasonable that "I dare to use the elder’s name." is proper, not only out of context but also that it is till today very impolite to adress especial inferiors by name.

* Johann : update 25. Feb. 2018, update 16. Jan., 11.Jan. 2018, 12. Jan.



Again progressed here with MV I , Atma thought, since most a soon topic, maybe Nyom Marcel likes to go through and if so inspired, count possible translation and other mistakes.

Draft is done till "Pflichten gegenüber Lehrling" and this chapter might be finished the next days.
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MV III

327: The Allowance for Seven-say Business

typos: day

1156: this is evidenve that

typos, a remark: people, like even today in Cambodia, do not know the year (years generally are unknown, counted by zodiac) of birth but only the zodiac they are born under where there is an anicent counting system one needs to be skilled in: see http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,443.0.html
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translating just Mv VI, which has similar texts in regard of transferring invitation of sick like Mv II in regard of purity.

The pali as well the translation misses pamatta here, which seems to be not proper. Having now checked with the CSCD Tipitaka, it contains it:

Mv.IV.3.5 (https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/Mv/MvIV.html#pts34_5)

Quote from: dhammatalks
pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto sutto na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā pavāraṇāhārakassa anāpatti.

Quote from: CSCD
Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto sutto nāroceti, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārakassa anāpatti .

Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto pamatto nāroceti…pe… samāpanno nāroceti, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārakassa anāpatti.

It seems as if the used text has been converted and edited from certain source.

Quote from: dhammatalks MvIV
(Mv.IV.3.5) pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya tattheva pakkamati aññassa dātabbā pavāraṇā.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation, goes away then and there (not to the Invitation), the invitation should be given to another (monk).

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya tattheva vibbhamati .pe.

kālaṁ karoti sāmaṇero paṭijānāti sikkhaṁ paccakkhātako paṭijānāti antimavatthuṁ ajjhāpannako paṭijānāti ummattako paṭijānāti khittacitto paṭijānāti vedanaṭṭo paṭijānāti āpattiyā adassane ukkhittako paṭijānāti āpattiyā appaṭikamme ukkhittako paṭijānāti pāpikāya diṭṭhiyā appaṭinissagge ukkhittako paṭijānāti paṇḍako paṭijānāti theyyasaṁvāsako paṭijānāti titthiyapakkantako paṭijānāti tiracchānagato paṭijānāti mātughātako paṭijānāti pitughātako paṭijānāti arahantaghātako paṭijānāti bhikkhunīdūsako paṭijānāti saṅghabhedako paṭijānāti lohituppādako paṭijānāti ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti aññassa dātabbā pavāraṇā.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—then and there—renounces the training, if he admits: to being a novice, to having renounced the training, to having committed an extreme offense, to being insane, to being possessed, to being delirious with pain, to being suspended for not seeing an offense, to being suspended for not making amends for an offense, to being suspended for not relinquishing an evil view, to being a paṇḍaka, to being one living in affiliation by theft, to having gone over to another religion, to being an animal, a matricide, a patricide, the murderer of an arahant, the molester of a bhikkhunī, a schismatic, one who has shed a Tathāgata’s blood, or a hermaphrodite, then the invitation should be given to another (monk).

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya antarāmagge pakkamati anāhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation, goes away (somewhere else) while on the way (to the Invitation), the invitation is not conveyed.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya antarāmagge vibbhamati kālaṁ karoti .pe.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—while on the way (to the Invitation)—renounces the training, dies, …

ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti anāhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā.

“admits to being a hermaphrodite, then the invitation is not conveyed.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto pakkamati āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—on arriving in the Saṅgha—goes away (somewhere else), the purity is conveyed.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto vibbhamati kālaṁ karoti .pe.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) purity—on arriving in the Saṅgha—disrobes, dies, …

ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā.

“admits to being a hermaphrodite, then the invitation is conveyed.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto sutto na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā pavāraṇāhārakassa anāpatti.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—on arriving in the Saṅgha—falling asleep, doesn’t announce it, then the invitation is conveyed. There is no offense for the conveyor of the invitation.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto samāpanno na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā pavāraṇāhārakassa anāpatti.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—on arriving in the Saṅgha—having entered a (meditative) attainment, doesn’t announce it, then the invitation is conveyed. There is no offense for the conveyor of the invitation.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto pamatto na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā pavāraṇāhārakassa anāpatti.

“Monks, if the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—on arriving in the Saṅgha—doesn’t announce it out of carelessness, then the invitation is conveyed. There is no offense for the conveyor of the invitation.

pavāraṇāhārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto sañcicca na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā pavāraṇāhārakassa āpatti dukkaṭassa.

“If the conveyor of the invitation, having been given (another monk’s) invitation—on arriving in the Saṅgha—intentionally does not announce it, the the invitation is conveyed. For the conveyor of the invitation: an offense of wrong doing.

anujānāmi bhikkhave tadahupavāraṇāya pavāraṇaṁ dentena chandampi dātuṁ santi saṅghassa karaṇīyanti.

“I allow that, on the Invitation day, when an invitation is given, that consent be given as well when the Saṅgha has something to be done.”

Quote from: DT MvII
(Mv.II.22.3) pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā tattheva pakkamati aññassa dātabbā pārisuddhi.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity, goes away then and there (not to the Uposatha), the purity should be given to another (monk).

pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā tattheva vibbhamati kālaṁ karoti sāmaṇero paṭijānāti sikkhaṁ paccakkhātako paṭijānāti antimavatthuṁ ajjhāpannako paṭijānāti ummattako paṭijānāti khittacitto paṭijānāti vedanaṭṭo paṭijānāti āpattiyā adassane ukkhittako paṭijānāti āpattiyā appaṭikamme ukkhittako paṭijānāti pāpikāya diṭṭhiyā appaṭinissagge ukkhittako paṭijānāti paṇḍako paṭijānāti theyyasaṁvāsako paṭijānāti titthiyapakkantako paṭijānāti tiracchānagato paṭijānāti mātughātako paṭijānāti pitughātako paṭijānāti arahantaghātako paṭijānāti bhikkhunīdūsako paṭijānāti saṅghabhedako paṭijānāti lohituppādako paṭijānāti ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti aññassa dātabbā pārisuddhi.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity—then and there—disrobes, dies, or admits to being a novice, to having renounced the training, to having committed an extreme offense, to being insane, to being possessed, to being delirious with pain, to being suspended for not seeing an offense, to being suspended for not making amends for an offense, to being suspended for not relinquishing an evil view, to being a paṇḍaka, to being one living in affiliation by theft, to having gone over to another religion, or to being an animal, a matricide, a patricide, the murderer of an arahant, the molester of a bhikkhunī, a schismatic, one who has shed a Tathāgata’s blood, or a hermaphrodite, the purity should be given to another (monk).

pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā antarāmagge pakkamati. anāhaṭā hoti pārisuddhi.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity, goes away (somewhere else) while on the way (to the Uposatha), the purity is not conveyed.

(Mv.II.22.4) pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā antarāmagge vibbhamati kālaṁ karoti .pe.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity—while on the way (to the Uposatha)—disrobes, dies, …

ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti anāhaṭā hoti pārisuddhi.

“admits to being a hermaphrodite, the purity is not conveyed.

pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā saṅghappatto pakkamati āhaṭā hoti pārisuddhi.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity—on arriving in the Saṅgha—goes away (somewhere else), the purity is conveyed.

pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā saṅghappatto vibbhamati kālaṁ karoti .pe.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity—on arriving in the Saṅgha—disrobes, dies, …

ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti āhaṭā hoti pārisuddhi.

“admits to being a hermaphrodite, the purity is conveyed.

pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā saṅghappatto sutto na āroceti pamatto na āroceti samāpanno na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pārisuddhi.

“Monks, if the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity—on arriving in the Saṅgha—falling asleep, doesn’t announce it, doesn’t announce it out of carelessness, or, having entered a (meditative) attainment, doesn’t announce it, the purity is conveyed.

pārisuddhihārakassa anāpatti.

“There is no offense for the conveyor of purity.

pārisuddhihārako ce bhikkhave dinnāya pārisuddhiyā saṅghappatto sañcicca na āroceti āhaṭā hoti pārisuddhi pārisuddhihārakassa āpatti dukkaṭassāti.

“If the conveyor of purity, having been given (another monk’s) purity—on arriving in the Saṅgha—intentionally does not announce it, the purity is conveyed. For the conveyor of purity: an offense of wrong doing.”

It seems not correct in regard of "careless" and "intentionally not", since not really my persons given sphere, he will here not further investigate where a possible mistake might be found, but remarks that while translating MvII, this "careless" seemed to be not proper in regard of "no offense", but thought of "not intentional", it might be such.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

213. Atha kho bhagavā bhikkhū āmantesi – ‘‘sannipatatha, bhikkhave. Saṅgho pavāressatī’’ti. Evaṃ vutte aññataro bhikkhu bhagavantaṃ etadavoca – ‘‘atthi, bhante, bhikkhu gilāno , so anāgato’’ti. Anujānāmi, bhikkhave, gilānena bhikkhunā pavāraṇaṃ dātuṃ. Evañca pana, bhikkhave, dātabbā – tena gilānena bhikkhunā ekaṃ bhikkhuṃ upasaṅkamitvā ekaṃsaṃ uttarāsaṅgaṃ karitvā ukkuṭikaṃ nisīditvā añjaliṃ paggahetvā evamassa vacanīyo – ‘‘pavāraṇaṃ dammi, pavāraṇaṃ me hara, pavāraṇaṃ me ārocehi, mamatthāya pavārehī’’ti kāyena viññāpeti, vācāya viññāpeti, kāyena vācāya viññāpeti, dinnā hoti pavāraṇā; na kāyena viññāpeti, na vācāya viññāpeti, na kāyena vācāya viññāpeti, na dinnā hoti pavāraṇā. Evañcetaṃ labhetha, iccetaṃ kusalaṃ. No ce labhetha, so, bhikkhave, gilāno bhikkhu mañcena vā pīṭhena vā saṅghamajjhe ānetvā pavāretabbaṃ. Sace, bhikkhave, gilānupaṭṭhākānaṃ bhikkhūnaṃ etadahosi – ‘‘sace kho mayaṃ gilānaṃ ṭhānā cāvessāma, ābādho vā abhivaḍḍhissati, kālaṃkiriyā vā bhavissatī’’ti na, bhikkhave, gilāno bhikkhu ṭhānā cāvetabbo. Saṅghena tattha gantvā pavāretabbaṃ; na tveva vaggena saṅghena pavāretabbaṃ. Pavāreyya ce, āpatti dukkaṭassa.

Pavāraṇahārako [pavāraṇāhārako (syā.)] ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya tattheva pakkamati, aññassa dātabbā pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya tattheva vibbhamati…pe… kālaṃkaroti… sāmaṇero paṭijānāti… sikkhaṃ paccakkhātako paṭijānāti… antimavatthuṃ ajjhāpannako paṭijānāti… ummattako paṭijānāti… khittacitto paṭijānāti… vedanāṭṭo paṭijānāti… āpattiyā adassane ukkhittako paṭijānāti… āpattiyā appaṭikamme ukkhittako paṭijānāti… pāpikāya diṭṭhiyā appaṭinissagge ukkhittako paṭijānāti… paṇḍako paṭijānāti… theyyasaṃvāsako paṭijānāti… titthiyapakkantako paṭijānāti… tiracchānagato paṭijānāti… mātughātako paṭijānāti… pitughātako paṭijānāti… arahantaghātako paṭijānāti… bhikkhunidūsako paṭijānāti… saṅghabhedako paṭijānāti … lohituppādako paṭijānāti… ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti, aññassa dātabbā pavāraṇā.

Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya antarāmagge pakkamati, anāhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya antarāmagge vibbhamati…pe… kālaṃkaroti… sāmaṇero paṭijānāti… sikkhaṃ paccakkhātako paṭijānāti… antimavatthuṃ ajjhāpannako paṭijānāti… ummattako paṭijānāti… khittacitto paṭijānāti… vedanāṭṭo paṭijānāti… āpattiyā adassane ukkhittako paṭijānāti… āpattiyā appaṭikamme ukkhittako paṭijānāti… pāpikāya diṭṭhiyā appaṭinissagge ukkhittako paṭijānāti… paṇḍako paṭijānāti… theyyasaṃvāsako paṭijānāti… titthiyapakkantako paṭijānāti… tiracchānagato paṭijānāti… mātughātako paṭijānāti… pitughātako paṭijānāti… arahantaghātako paṭijānāti… bhikkhunidūsako paṭijānāti… saṅghabhedako paṭijānāti… lohituppādako paṭijānāti… ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti, anāhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā.

Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto pakkamati, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto vibbhamati…pe… kālaṃkaroti… sāmaṇero paṭijānāti… sikkhaṃ paccakkhātako paṭijānāti… antimavatthuṃ ajjhāpannako paṭijānāti… ummattako paṭijānāti… khittacitto paṭijānāti… vedanāṭṭo paṭijānāti… āpattiyā adassane ukkhittako paṭijānāti… āpattiyā appaṭikamme ukkhittako paṭijānāti… pāpikāya diṭṭhiyā appaṭinissagge ukkhittako paṭijānāti… paṇḍako paṭijānāti… theyyasaṃvāsako paṭijānāti… titthiyapakkantako paṭijānāti… tiracchānagato paṭijānāti… mātughātako paṭijānāti… pitughātako paṭijānāti… arahantaghātako paṭijānāti… bhikkhunidūsako paṭijānāti… saṅghabhedako paṭijānāti… lohituppādako paṭijānāti… ubhatobyañjanako paṭijānāti, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā.

Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto sutto nāroceti, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārakassa anāpatti . Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave, dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto pamatto nāroceti…pe… samāpanno nāroceti, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārakassa anāpatti.

Pavāraṇahārako ce, bhikkhave , dinnāya pavāraṇāya saṅghappatto sañcicca nāroceti, āhaṭā hoti pavāraṇā. Pavāraṇahārakassa āpatti dukkaṭassa. Anujānāmi, bhikkhave, tadahu pavāraṇāya pavāraṇaṃ dentena chandampi dātuṃ, santi saṅghassa karaṇīyanti.
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evañcetaṁ labhetha iccetaṁ kusalaṁ no ce labhetha te bhikkhupaccatthikā bhikkhūhi evamassu vacanīyā iṅgha tumhe āyasmanto imaṁ bhikkhuṁ muhuttaṁ nissīmaṁ netha yāva saṅgho pavāretīti.

If not, the relatives should be addressed by the Bhikkhus, ‘Please, sirs, will you take this Bhikkhu outside the territory for a moment while the Saṅgha invites?’

Should be the last of this turn: opponents of the Bhikkhus



Remark to the Note:

Burmese edition also has āyasmantā here. The previous section has āyasmanto, the usual plural of nouns in ‘-ant’, when the speaker is addressing three people. Is this a remnant of the Sankskrit dual form? The Sri Lankan edition has āyasmanto, and PTS has only dots. The Sanskrit dual Vocative of nouns in ‘-ant’ is ‘-antau’, so it may just be a mistake.


Khmer are used to pronounce 'o' after consonants of the first group (small voice) as 'au'.
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Mv IV, line 873:

na tveva tappaccayā pavāraṇāya antarāyo kātabbo.
Not from that cause alone should an obstruction to the Uposatha be made.”


"Uposaha" should be "Invitation"

line 1252:

pavāritānaṁ āpatti dukkaṭassa .pe.
for those reciting


should be: "for those who inviting"
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Mv IV:

Dots are missing in line 1716

… a Bhikkhu who has gone over to another religion [...] an animal … a matricide …
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 *sgift*

Draft/Entwurf: IV. Pavāraṇākkhandhako: Einladung-Khandhaka , 1st draft is finished and open for prove read.

Errors MV IV: see last posts above
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Mv IX

260. adassane ukkhepanīyakammavivādakathā and 261. appaṭikamme ukkhepanīyakammavivādakathā

first in regard of refusing to see, secound refusing to make amend, seems to have the same text copy and paste, both dealing with refusing amend.

idha pana bhikkhave bhikkhu āpattiṁ āpajjitvā na icchati āpattiṁ passituṁ.

“Bhikkhus, ... refuses to make amends.

idha pana bhikkhave bhikkhu āpattiṁ āpajjitvā na icchati āpattiṁ paṭikātuṁ.

“Bhikkhus, ... refuses to make amends.

The printed Khmer edition seems to miss the amends case here and goes on with the refuse of relinquish wrong view. (All fine. At least this leaded to check english)
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