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Warum kümmert sich einer, versorgt und bedient jene?
« on: December 02, 2017, 09:58:46 AM »

Warum kümmert sich einer um, versorgt und bedient, jene die vorangehen oder danach streben fortzuziehen, es auf Befreiung absehend, oder befreit?

Da ist der Fall, daß jemand erkennt, daß da jene sind, die dem Gewissen folgen, nicht dem Gewöhnlichen, keinen Rechten, keinen Schlichen, das Nehmen von Leben, das Nehmen von dem was nicht gegeben ist, das Vergehen in Sinnlickeit, Unwahrheit sprechen, verletzen wollen und entzweien, aufgegeben habend, oder nach dem Gewinn eben dieser Gewissensfreiheit und Tadellosigkeit strebend, sich darin vertrauensvoll üben.

Den Weg für jene, die vorangehen, oder danach streben fortzuziehen, erleichtert habend, erleichter sich der Weg auch für jene, wohin immer sie streben, gegeben mit Umsicht und Zuvorkommenheit, vergrößert sich nicht nur ein langes Leben, Ansehnlichkeit, Wohl und Kraft, auch Weisheit wird gewonnen und nimmt zu. Sich selbst Tugend annehmend, schlechten Lebensunterhalt verwerfend, Nachteile von Sinnesvergehen sehend, sind sie gesichert, den elenden Zuständen entkommen, für Befreiung vorgesehen.

Warum kümmert sich einer, versorgt und bedient jene die vorangehen oder danach streben fortzuziehen, es auf Befreiung absehend, oder befreit, nicht?

Da is der Fall, daß jemand nicht erkennt, daß da jene sind, die dem Gewissen folgen, nicht dem Gewöhnlichen, keinen Rechten, keinen Schlichen daß Nehmen von Leben, das Nehmen von dem was nicht gegeben ist, das Vergehen in Sinnlickeit, Unwahrheit sprechen, verletzen wollen und entzweieren, aufgegeben habend, oder nach dem Gewinn eben dieser Gewissensfreiheit und Tadellosigkeit strebend, sich darin vertrauensvoll üben. Oder erkennt darin keinen Vorteil für sich oder die Welt.

Den Weg für jene, die vorangehen, oder danach streben fortzuziehen, nicht erleichtert habend oder beschwert, erleichter sich der Weg nicht, auch für jene, oder wird beschwert, wohin immer sie streben, nicht gegeben mit Umsicht und Zuvorkommenheit, nachlässig, selbstorientiert, verringert sich nicht nur ein langes Leben, Ansehnlichkeit, Wohl und Kraft, auch wird keine Weisheit gewonnen und nimmt nicht zu. Sich selbst auch keiner Tugend annehmend, schlechten Lebensunterhalt nachgehend, Nachteile von Sinnesvergehen nicht sehend, sind sie ungesichert, den elenden Zuständen nicht entkommen, für Weiterwandern und Elend vorgesehen.

Warum kümmert sich einer, versorgt und bedient jene die vorziehen oder danach streben voranzuziehen, es auf Bindung absehend, Wohl in Abhängigkeit und Unterhaltung sehen?

Da is der Fall, daß jemand befreiende Tugend nicht erfährt, nicht erkennt, nicht darüber belehrt, Sinnesbefriedigung leicht gewinnt und weder auf Leiden und deren Ursache trifft, Vorteil von Ablegen und Entsagung nimmt er nicht wahr und sieht Beständigkeit in allem das wird, vertraut in Äußerlichkeiten und was die Sinne bestimmt, lebt im Strom der Früchte von vergangenen Taten, berauscht in Werden, Jugend, Gesundheit und Leben. Gibt sich dem Mehren und Unterhalten hin, handelt für Mehren und Gewinn, investiert Gewinn in Bindung der Welt, was seine Perspektive nährt und unterstützt.

Den Weg für jene, die voranziehen, oder danach streben voranzuziehen, es auf Bindung absehend, genährt habend, binden sie sich, wohin immer sie streben, sind sie gebunden, das Weiterwandern im Fortsetzen was immer Berührt, nimmt Wohl und Weh, Gewinn und Verlust, Ansehen und Schach, Lob und Tadel seinen Lauf. An Berührung mit befreiender Tugend und Ansicht fehlend, dessen Bestand und Träger nicht geachtet, nicht genährt, sind sie an Abfallen gebunden, Gewinne an die Welt gebunden, Stück für Stück verbraucht.

Jene,
Tod und Kummer,
Sehend in der Welt,

Alter, Vergehen und Tod,
Nach Befreiung streben,

Den vierten der Himmelsboten begegnet,
Dem Gönner der Welten,

Sich an jenes
Das Befreit binden,
Abschneiden die Fesseln
Der Welt.

Zuflucht im
Ehrabenen, dem Dhamma
Und jenen Folgend nehmen
Bindung für Befreiung nähren.

Maras Verführungen bezeifeln,
Gefahr im Werden sehend,
Und den Mitteln der Weisen vertrauen,
Entgegen dem Lauf der Welt,

Jene wenigen,
Gesegnet, sehend,
Kein Held der Tage übertrifft.

Zuvorkommend, umsichtig,
Mit Bedacht, sie nur
Vertrauen, Tugend,
Bedenken und Scham,
Gelehrigkeit und Geben,
Weisheit mehren.

Unerschütterlich dann,
Gebunden von Güte,
Für Befreiung abgesehen.

Binder Euch an wahre Freiheit,
Und Ungebundenheit.
Schneidet die Fessel
Mit der Weisheit des Gebens
Dem Geben von Freiheit
Ab.

Wer immer an Euch gebunden,
Dann für kein Schlechtes
Gibt und folgt.

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Johann

October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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