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Was ja eine oft gestellte Frage ist, und so manche Antwort viele verwirrt. Erfreulich, daß dieses klar von Buddha gegeben zu finden ist:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"And which is the carrier of the burden? 'The person,' it should be said. This venerable one with such a name, such a clan-name. This is called the carrier of the burden.

"Und was ist der Träger der Brüde? 'Die Person', sollte gesagt werden. Dieser Ehrwürdige, mit solch einem Namen, solch einem Klan-Namen. Dieses wird der Träger von Bürde genannt.

[៥០] ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ ចុះដូចម្តេច ឈ្មោះថា អ្នកនាំនូវភារៈ។ គប្បីឆ្លើយ​ថា បុគ្គល។ គឺអ្នកមានអាយុនោះ មានឈ្មោះយ៉ាងនេះ មានគោត្រយ៉ាងនេះ។ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ នេះឈ្មោះថា អ្នកនាំនូវភារៈ។

Und man mag sich fragen, wie das mit anderem zusammenpaßt.

Wenn da keine Bürde, wer oder was sollte dessen Träger sein?

Wenn da Bürde, aber kein Träger, wie sollte das gehen?

Höchste Wahrheit hat immer mit tat-säch-licher, oder wahrlichem zutun, und nicht irgendwo dazwischen drin, aus davor und danach zusammengeknüpft.
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Re: Wenn gefragt "Wer leidet?", sollte was gesagt werden?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 03:18:25 PM »
Ohh... dieses Sutta alleine zu erwähnen, treibt die Klassiker, Abhidhamma und Kommentarschrift-Gelehrten, blitzartig auf die Barrikaden, und läßt Windmühlen gegen Standpunkte erscheinen. ...als ob der Buddha Sein oder Nichtsein lehren wurde... mag das "mit diesem kommt jenes auf" im Falle von Lebewesen schwierig zu nehmen sein.

(Atmas Einweiser, nach dem Nahebringen des Suttas, wird wohl wieder gute Zeit nicht mit meiner Person sprechen... klassisch Mahavihara geschult. Zum Verständnis, in dieser Schule spricht man oft und gerne, lehrt, "da ist keine Person, kein Wesen", ohne selbst auf eine Bedingung "wenn das aufkommt" einzugehen. Anatta nicht als Strategie sondern als ultimative Wahrheit)

Wie auch immer. Bhante Thanissaro gibt großzügig etwas historischen Einblick und Loslösungsmöglichkeiten, in seinem Kommentar zum Text:

Diese Lehrrede kommt der Lehre über die Vier Edlen Wahrheiten gleich, jedoch mit einer Abweichung. Die "Bürde" wird in gleichen Begriffen definiert, wie die erste Edle Wahrheit, die Wahrheit von Leiden und Streß. Das Aufnehmen der Bürde ist mit gleichen Begriffen, wie die zweite Edle Wahrheit, der Ursprung von Streß, definiert, und das Abwerfen, in gleichen Begriffen, wie die dritte Edle Wahrheit, die Beendigung von Streß. Die vierte Größe jedoch, der Träger der Bürde, hat keinen Gleichlaut in den Vier Edlen Wahrheiten, und hat sich als der umstrittenste Begriff, in der Geschichte der buddhistischen Philosophie, bewährt. Wenn diese Größe als Person (oder Individuum, puggala) beschreibend, legt der Buddha die abstrakte Form, wie bei den anderen Größen, ab, und nutzt gewöhnliche, alltägliche Sprache der Erzählung: die Person mit so und so einem Namen. Und wie wäre diese Person in abstrakterer Größen übersetzt? Dieses sagt er nicht. Doch nach seinem Dahinscheiden, nahmen sich buddhistische Gelehrte an, mit einer Antwort, an Stelle, zu versorgen, und spalteten sich in zwei Hauptlager, zu dieser Angelegenheit. Ein Lager verweigerte das Konzept einer Person, als eine Wahrheit, auf ultimativer Ebene, zu werten. Diese Gruppe inspirierte, was später die klassische Theravada-Position, zu dieser Angelegenheit, wurde: das die "Person" einfach eine konventionelle Bezeichnung für die fünf Ansammlungen war. Doch das andere Lager, welches sich in die Pudgalavadin-Schule (Personisten) entwickelte, sagte, daß die Person weder eine ultimative Wahrheit, noch eine bloße konventionelle Bezeichnung, war, weder identisch noch völlig separat von den fünf Ansammlungen. Diese spezielle Bedeutung von Person, sagten sie, war erforderlich um drei Dinge anzuerkennen: die Kohäsion einer Persons Identität, in dieser Lebensspanne (einer Persons Erinnerung kann nicht zur Erinnerung einer anderen Person werden, zum Beispiel); die einheitliche Natur von Wiedergeburt (eine Person kann nicht an mehreren Plätzen auf einmal wiedergeboren werden); und der Tatsache entsprechend, daß mit der Beendigung der Khandhas, mit dem Tod eines Arahats, er/sie als "das Ferne Ufer" erreichend, besagt wird. Doch, nach diesem Moment, sagten sie, kann nichts weiter über die Person gesagt werden, denn dieses war soweit, wie des Konzeptes beschreibende Kraft, gehen konnte.
Wie auszumalen sein mag, warf die erste Gruppe der zweiten vor, das Konzept von Anatta, oder Nicht-Selbst, abzustreiten; wohingegen die zweite Gruppe der ersten vorwarf, unfähig zu sein, die Wahrheiten, von denen sie sagten, daß deren Konzept Person erklärt, nicht zu werten. Jedoch fanden beide Gruppen, daß deren Position sie in philosophische Schwierigkeiten verstrickte, die niemals erfolgreich bereinigt wurden.

Vielleicht die nützlichste Lektion, um sich auf die Geschichte dieser Meinungsverschiedenheit zu beziehen, ist eine, die mit des Buddhas Aussage in MN 72 einhergeht, wo er es ablehnt sich in Fragen einzubringen, ob eine Person eine lebendige Essenz, getrennt von, oder identisch, zu deren Körper hat, oder ob da nach dem Tod etwas von einem Arahat ist, welches existiert oder nicht. Mit anderen Worten, sind die Fragen es nicht wert gestellt zu werden. Nichts wird damit erreicht, mit dem Annehmen oder Abstreiten einer ultimativen Realität hinter dem, was wir uns über eine Person erdenken. Anstelle ist die Strategie der Ausübung, die Bürde zu verstehen, die wir alle tragen, und sie abzuwerfen. Wie SN 22.36 aufzeigt, wenn jemand aufhört zu versuchen sich zu definieren, ist dieser frei von allen Einschränkungen, und dieses bereinigt alle Fragen.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Wenn einer von Bewußtsein besessen bleibt, ist dieses, mit dem einer bemessen wird. Mit was immer einer bemessen ist, ist dieses wie einer eingeteilt wird.

"Aber wenn einer nicht von Form besessen bleibt, Bhikkhu, ist dieses nicht, mit dem einer bemessen wird. Mit was immer einer nicht bemessen ist, ist dieses nicht wie einer eingeteilt wird.

"Wenn einer nicht von Gefühl besessen bleibt...

"Wenn einer nicht von Vorstellung besessen bleibt...

"Wenn einer nicht von Gestaltungen besessen bleibt...

"Wenn einer nicht von Bewußtsein besessen bleibt, ist dieses nicht, mit dem einer bemessen wird. Mit was immer einer nicht bemessen ist, ist dieses nicht wie einer eingeteilt wird.

"Dieses ist, wie die detaillierte Bedeutung, dessen, was ich in Kürze gesagt habe, zu sehen ist."

Nicht zuletzt, und gerade weil es einfach unsinnig und verwirrend, ja gar gefährlich ist, durch die Welt zu laufen, und zu erzählen, daß da keine Lebewesen sind, war der Buddha in doeser Sache sehr klar, wie sich die Bhikkhus (abseits "persönlicher" Ideen, auszudrücken haben), und die Aussage von Buddhagosa im Vissudhimagga, sinngemäß "da sind Taten, aber kein Täter zu finden", sollte zum einen nicht Buddhas Anweisung in Frage stellen, und ist, wenn umsichtig betrachtet werden wollend, als ein Gedanke eines Arahats (jemandem, der die Bürde abgeworfen hat) zu sehen, obgleich es eigentlich eine dem wiedersprechende Aussage ist, da ja von Tat (kamma) sprechend. Kurz, wo ein Täter (Unwissenheit, Dünkel) da auch kamma, wo Unwissenheit, Dünkel entwurzelt, keine Bürde, keine Tat (kamma, d.h. Handlung die auf einen zurück fällt).

Es macht keinen Sinn auf der Einen Seite sich klar zu sein, dam wo Anhaftung an die Ansammlungen getan wird, ein Lebewesen ist, und gleichzeitig zu sagen, daß da aber ultimativ keines ist. Der Buddha sich aus gutem Grund nicht dazu äußernd, warum denkt man, klüger sein zu können, müssen, als dieser? Aber das ist wohl "nur" eine Frage des Überwindens von Persönlichkeits-Ansichten: schwierig.

Dies nur ein paar Hacken, für jene, die gerne ihre Zeit mit philosophischen Gebilden bauen vertreiben anstelle die Bürde mit Vorstellung, Gestaltungen, Wissen am Verstand und Empfindungen mit dem Gegenstand dessen, abzuwerfen.

Anumodana!
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Re: Wenn gefragt "Wer leidet?", sollte was gesagt werden?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 02:28:55 PM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

..."From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications. Whether or not there is the arising of Tathagatas, this property stands — this regularity of the Dhamma, this orderliness of the Dhamma, this this/that conditionality. The Tathagata directly awakens to that, breaks through to that. Directly awakening & breaking through to that, he declares it, teaches it, describes it, sets it forth. He reveals it, explains it, makes it plain, & says, 'Look.' From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications. What's there in this way is a reality, not an unreality, not other than what it seems, conditioned by this/that. This is called dependent co-arising...

"Ignorance is a dependently co-arisen phenomenon: inconstant, compounded, dependently co-arisen, subject to ending, subject to passing away, subject to fading, subject to cessation. These are called dependently co-arisen phenomena.

"When a disciple of the noble ones has seen well with right discernment this dependent co-arising & these dependently co-arisen phenomena as they have come to be, it is not possible that he would run after the past, thinking, 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past?' or that he would run after the future, thinking, 'Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' or that he would be inwardly perplexed about the immediate present, thinking, 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?' Such a thing is not possible. Why is that? Because the disciple of the noble ones has seen well with right discernment this dependent co-arising & these dependently co-arisen phenomena as they have come to be."


..."Von Unwissenheit, als eine erforderliche Bedingung, kommen Gestaltungen. Gleich ob da das Aufkommen eines Tathagatas ist, oder nicht, diese Beschaffenheit steht, diese Regelmäßigkeit des Dhammas, diese Ordentlichkeit des Dhammas, diese dieses/jenes Bedingtheit. Der Tathagata, direkt erwacht zu diesem, bricht dazu hindurch. Direkt erwachend und dazu durchbrechend, legt es es dar, lehrt es, beschreibt es, treibt es an. Er legt es frei, erklärt es, macht es klau, und sagt: 'Schau'. Von Unwissenheit, als eine erforderliche Bedingung, kommen Gestaltungen. Was da in dieser Weise ist, ist eine Realität, kein Unreales, nicht anderes, als was es erscheint, bedingt von diesem/jenen. Dieses wird Bedingtes Mitaufkommen genannt...

..."Unwissenheit ist eine bedingte mitaufkommende Erscheinung: unbeständig, zusammengesetzt, bedingt mitaufkommend, Gegenstand des Endens, Gegenstand des Dahinscheidens, Gegenstand des Schwindens, Gegenstand der Beendigung. Diese werden bedingt mitaufkommende Erscheinungen genannt.

"Wenn ein Schüler der Noblen, gut, mit rechter Einsicht, dieses Bedingte Mitaufkommen und diese bedingten mitaufkommenden Erscheinungen, gesehen hat, so wie sie ins Bestehen gekommen sind, ist es nicht möglich, daß er hinter Vergangenem nachläuft, denken: 'War ich in der Vergangenheit? War ich in der Vergangenheit nicht? Was war ich in der Vergangenheit? Wie war ich in der Vergangenheit? Etwas gewesen seiend, was war ich in der Vergangenheit?', oder, daß er der Zukunft nachlaufen würde, denken: 'Werde ich in der Zukunft sein? Werde ich in der Zukunft nicht sein? Was soll ich in der Zukunft sein? Wie soll ich in der Zukunft sein? Etwas gewesen seiend, was werde ich in der Zukunft sein?', oder, daß er innerlich perplex über die unmittelbare Gegenwart wäre, denken: 'Bin ich? Bin ich nicht? Was bin ich? Wie bin ich? Wo ist dieses Sein/Wesen her gekommen? Woran ist es gebunden?'. Solch eine Sache ist nicht möglich. Warum ist das? Weil der Schüler der Noblen, gut, mit recher Einsicht, dieses Bedingte Mitaufkommen, diese bedingt mitaufkommenden Erscheinungen, gesehen hat, so wie sie ins Bestehen gekommen sind."


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[៦៣] ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ កាលណា អរិយសាវ័កបានឃើញ នូវ​បដិច្ចសមុប្បាទធម៌នេះផង នូវបដិច្ចសមុប្បន្នធម៌នេះផង ដោយប្រពៃ ដោយប្រាជ្ញា ដ៏​ឧត្តម តាមពិត អរិយសាវ័កនោះ នឹងពិចារណារកទីបំផុតខាងដើម គឺខន្ធក្នុងអតីតកាលថា អាត្មាអញ បានកើតហើយក្នុងអតីតកាលដែរឬហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ មិនបានកើតក្នុងអតីតកាលទេឬហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញបានកើតហើយក្នុងអតីតកាល ដូចម្តេចហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ បានកើតហើយក្នុងអតីតកាល ដោយប្រការដូចម្តេចហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញកើតជាអ្វី ហើយបានកើតជាអ្វី ក្នុងអតីតកាលហ្ន៎ ដូច្នេះក្តី ពិចារណារកនូវទីបំផុតខាងចុង គឺខន្ធ​ក្នុងអនាគតកាលថា អាត្មាអញ នឹងកើតក្នុងអនាគតកាលដែរឬហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ នឹងមិនកើតក្នុងអនាគតកាលទេឬហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ នឹងកើតក្នុងអនាគតកាល ដូចម្តេចហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ នឹងកើតក្នុងអនាគតកាល ដោយប្រការដូចម្តេចហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ នឹងកើតជាអ្វី ហើយកើតជាអ្វី ទៅក្នុងអនាគតកាលហ្ន៎ ដូច្នេះក្តី នឹងមានសេចក្តីងឿងឆ្ងល់ ចំពោះ​ខន្ធ​ខាងក្នុង (ខន្ធរបស់ខ្លួន) ក្នុងបច្ចុប្បន្នកាលឥឡូវនេះថា អាត្មាអញ មានដែរឬហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ មិនមានទេឬហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ មានដូចម្តេចហ្ន៎ អាត្មាអញ មានដោយប្រការដូចម្តេចទៅហ្ន៎ សត្វនេះមកពីណាហ្ន៎ សត្វនោះនឹងទៅកើតក្នុងទីណាហ្ន៎ ដូច្នេះក្តី ហេតុនេះ រមែង​មិនមាន​ឡើយ ដំណើរនោះ តើព្រោះហេតុដូចម្តេច ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ ព្រោះថា ព្រះអរិយសាវ័កបានឃើញ នូវបដិច្ចសមុប្បាទធម៌នេះផង នូវបដិច្ចសមុប្បន្នធម៌នេះផង ដោយប្រពៃ ដោយប្រាជ្ញាដ៏ឧត្តមតាមពិត។

Und das dieses "gesehen hat", eine Moment für Moment-Sache ist, ist im Bezug auf, was es mit Ideen einer "Lebenszeit bedingtem Mitaufkommen" auf sich hat, so gesehen/nicht wirklich einsehbar.
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Johann

October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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