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Working on better and strong conditions, Upanissayapaccaya
« on: February 23, 2018, 06:57:28 AM »

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Dieses neue Thema (bzw. diese/r Beitrag/e) wurde  aus abgetrennten Beiträgen, ursprünglich in Welcome Danilo - Willkommen Danilo , hinzugefügt. Für ev. ergänzende Informationen zur sehen Sie bitte das Ursprugsthema ein. Anumodana!

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I'm aware of it.  *thumb* Actually there is a monastery of forest tradition (Suddhavari ) under construction in São Lourenço, which still far from where I live. How to know if a Sangha can take root in a specific place?


There have to be the conditions, devotion, faith, respect, virtue: eg. people praising support of parents, generosity, going forth, and the invitation of the King of a place. All of which very socialist/commonist/postmodern places totally lack. If a "Sangha" in a not conductive area appears and settles,  then it's just a trader in juwels appearens. Sadly big parts of the western Ajahn Chah lineage has fallen into this category. If strong Thai/Origin country bound then maybe good.
When there is strong desire for gain and becoming corruption, here most by improper relations with lay people, giving favor, "political correctness" such as certain approves to be accepted also where conditions would not allow to take footing.
Most returning Western monks or Sanghas, even originally good house, are like that. Socialworker, favor-doer or Dhamma-seller, not much interest in Sangha and own liberation but bond to the world, giving/selling water bottles and not the spring and make homi-hood with their supporter, place them on the same level, eat with them. So no real refuge often any more.

There is certain Nissaya with expats, having gone to Australia and to Portuguese. Having had a near girlfrind as child, Portuguese Ambassadors their parents, in the kindergardens neighborhood, till causing her to break her arm unintentionally... and there is no island outwardly, from the climate, more comfortable than Madeira. Ever have been there?

That's a place where Dhamma could prosper, based on real Samanas, Bhikkhus. But things might have changed, some 15, 20 years now in the past.

I couldn't understand this part. To whom Ven. Johann are referring to? What is Nissaya? girlfriend as child? Portuguese Ambassadors are their parents? kindergardens neighborhood? break her arm?  :-\
I just know that I've never been in Madeira. Did Ven. Johann have been there 15, 20 ago?

Stories of the past, not so importand in detail. Yes my person has been in Madeira in the past. Nissaya means condition, ground, soil or teacher (missusely "luck"), Upanissaya means Strong Condition. That are causes of past and present actions, tendencies. One with certain Upanissaya (strong tendency) has given certain causes in the past, to be bound for a good, bad, merely unbound.

See maybe those topics help for good understandig Nissaya, on all levels:

- Why it important to value Conditions? - Warum Bedingungen wertschätzen?
- Nissaya - Upanissaya Paccaya - Dependence (Strong) Condition - Grundlageursache
- nissaya

While nissaya could be understood as total determined, e.g. fate, the Buddha told that a person of Nissaya is someone who approaches timely the wise and asks.

While a normally people either claim or simply pray for liberation, a person with Nissaya, even in a current bad condition, invests in wise actions, knowing that in this way, by nurishing the proper, the good will naturally grow in him and in regard of outwardly conditions. Steps of Perfection of Nissaya is found in the Mangala sutta . Nissaya = that what one depends on (inclination to certain food, nurtition)

Btw., if wishing to make the places here more accessible in Portuguese, feel free to do so, just let it be known

How can I help? *sgift*


No need to help. All what one does, he does for himself at least. But if feeling inspired, able to maintain a mind directed to the Noble Sangha, the Juwels and Nibbana, Nyom could make the enviroment more easier accessable for those just taking what is given.

If he likes to give those speaking Portuguese translation of the boards, forums and Infos, he may look around here . Ther is no problem to open a specific forum for Portuguese. And no problem if wishing to have certain permissions. What ever he feels inspired to take on. But note to be sure: it is only accepted if destinated to higher and not as any repayment for previous received.

Maintain by what ever service and giving Nyom Danilo feels inspired, a vision of the Noble Sangha rather something personal grasped as myself, for me for us... but upwardly so that great joy and long terme benefit from serving of what is worthy to give in can be expected. High grade of real learning and insight by giving can be expected without slightes danger of debt through desire. An additional advice: good if resolving not more as one sees him able to and if resolved, stick strong with it till it is min. done like resolved befor. Finished one may take on the next if wishing. Better step by step and continuously than up and down and bond to moods. Quick, and without giving hindrences any ear. Good topic in that relation: Is changing your mind same as lying? Breaking promises . Not even giving is free but a matter of getting more bound to either liberation or the world, but to make the right choices if there are conditions for it (Nissaya).


* Johann : If Nyom Danilo feels fine with it, and because it touches points helpful for others as well, not really something not needed to share with many, but the opposite, Atma would cut of this post, making a new topic.
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Re: Working on better and strong conditions, Upanissayapaccaya
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 03:42:25 AM »
* Johann : If Nyom Danilo feels fine with it, and because it touches points helpful for others as well, not really something not needed to share with many, but the opposite, Atma would cut of this post, making a new topic.

Sure, feel free to do it.  _/\_

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Re: Working on better and strong conditions, Upanissayapaccaya
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 07:43:21 AM »
Just yesterday my person saw some pictures of Ven Hasapanno here .

At first place it seems to be ground for mudita, but when considering that he once was a free bird, to a good amount, one sees that becoming well-feeded by feeding, becoming kind of fat, is not the best. So only if there is no binding each other down, no outwardly expecting and demand, if using possibilities for good work, service and sacrifies in that way, learning to let go and give what ever might be good, without the requirement of being entertained, forced, provoced by means of certain greed or aversion, if training to relay simply either on knowing or faith, then one increases the Upanissaya toward liberation Nibbana. Taking the Noble Sangha as object for sacrifies will be later on the own fundation, for some quick, for some a little later, but what is put into nurishment that what leads to liberation, is a perfect outwardly kammathana, inwardly keeping the first six objects of recollecting alive.

In the forest tradition, simply repeating such as Buddho, Dhammo or Sangho is usual. Here it is specially prepeared to keep the Sangha in mind, what ever sacrify it's simply to give those worthy of gifts or following them, possible all to be able to come or continue to resist.

It happens very fast to get fat, so also for you "entertainers", don't let them sacrify to much for your sake. One does not gain much if either child or parents, or even both at least get fat and hardly depend on each other bound, for the sake of becoming.

And since my person get's more and more fat here (people are quick in leaving things which bind left "here, I come later, just need to fix that first and care for becoming wealth so that I can help you...", my person will now go and carry some bricks up the hill... "may the stressed short time visitors dwell with ease..."

This world has become total cracy... the children prefer to invest and pay for rest homes, not knowing that they will simply end up in rest homes as well... "don't let me get known dukkha!"

It's really important to dedicate things, gifts, toward the highest. All other, if not rightly in debt, is simple corruption.

Monks have many rules that work against corruption, so that gifts dedicated for the hoghest would not end up to flow back to the low and into Samsara.

Gifts toward Nibbana (eg. those directed to it) are bound toward liberation. It's impossible that such giving falls back for the harm of oneself or others.

Having given certain upanissayapaccaya, not only that one meets the fruits of one merits like old lost friend "naturally" again but in case having upanissaya to the Noble Ones, even if unknow in certain existence, there is not much struggle to join them and attend them and quickly adopt their ways.

By giving and letting go beings find/gain their real home, beyound expected, expecting.

Enough entertained. A still for consuming directed mind will take on everything to fall into "relax" by entertainment and it's usual that the entertainer still carries bricks to motivate but the one who was expected to get encouraged as already fallen back, gone home already...  :)

That's why it is good in a way: "What ever you like to give into, and good if asking once having a target" so that the "investment" is good and in proper ways for most benefit done.
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March 19, 2018, 05:20:12 AM
This "wiki"-like backup tool is meant as a outwardy insurance that one does not be afraid that anything possible good can be desroyed or made bad while looking for cleaning it. So worry at all, kamma does not dissapear. No need to fear to make good deeds, knowing that.


March 19, 2018, 04:03:35 AM
And there is no intention to just make a museum out of a working and concentration camp, since the Dhamma can not be understood by just looking on forms but by learning and experiance skillful deeds.


March 19, 2018, 04:00:47 AM
Post-history: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1164.0.html (but there is no notification system). My person uses to make a @mention , off topic "/me" in the OP.


March 19, 2018, 03:49:28 AM
Or to simply make a new post. No need to be shy in doing good things. It's not a museum, it's a working and concentration place. Mudita.


March 19, 2018, 03:47:57 AM
There is such as a "wiki" backup function in all posts, Nyom Danilo. Good is to use the mention option, at the places where making changes @Johann , that it gets not "lost".


March 19, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
I have a backup of the original post in any case. I might review the second post next time. Very insightful teaching. _/\_


March 19, 2018, 03:01:35 AM
I've recently fixed many words and sentences of the first post of the thread "Debts, but to whom?". It take me some time trying to figure out the meaning of some sentences. So it would be good if Bhante could check if the original intended meaning of the post still intact. I have a backup of the ori


March 19, 2018, 01:57:28 AM
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_


March 19, 2018, 12:01:09 AM
One leading to peaks pointing downward so that aging, sickness and death can be seen, know him/her as a sage, a giver of release.


March 18, 2018, 11:57:30 PM
One leading people to papanca, promoting rejoicing in objectification as the heart wood, increases to fields of corpse in the world.


March 18, 2018, 12:03:14 AM
Good night _/\_


March 17, 2018, 11:59:14 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_


March 17, 2018, 11:51:37 PM


March 16, 2018, 01:19:17 AM


March 15, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
 :-* ich wünschen allen einen verdienstvollen uposatha  :-*


March 14, 2018, 11:19:11 PM
Sounds like a good idea to rest. I will be taking a break from the internet for a while i feel detached a lot from the worldly feminisms and all. It is wonderful not to be lusting, walking the streets with lowered gaze, delighting in meditation... I fear it compromises me to even think about the pol


March 14, 2018, 11:10:27 PM


March 14, 2018, 10:58:38 PM
Marcel, Morits, Upasaka X, it's time to break up this auspicious coming in touch now also for my person. Observe, remember, how you have been yesterday an now and guess of what will be tomorrow probably... maybe just not sure.


March 14, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
Sadhu, _/\_

may Bhante have a peaceful day.

Chom reap sour.


March 14, 2018, 09:58:42 PM
 :-* :-* :-*


March 14, 2018, 09:55:00 PM
O yes... will be a long day, this yesterday, but possible a remorseless.


March 14, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
Vandami Bhante,
good evening (morning in Cambodia?).



March 14, 2018, 03:03:38 AM
Wie war es gestern? Wie geht es heute?

How was it yesterday? How are you today?


March 06, 2018, 02:24:03 PM
Nyom Jens.


March 05, 2018, 02:25:22 PM
 :-* erhwürdiger bhante johann  :-*


March 05, 2018, 02:17:57 PM
Nyom Marcel


March 01, 2018, 12:52:02 AM
Sadhu, eine des Magha-puja allen jenen die sie heute Begehen.


February 28, 2018, 09:48:58 PM
 :-* allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha tag :-*


February 24, 2018, 02:37:41 AM


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February 24, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
Es ist sehr selten, ungewöhnlich und erfreulich, zur Mitfreude anregend, junge Menschen Kloster aufsuchend zu sehen.


February 23, 2018, 02:56:54 PM
Namasakara, Bhante _/\_


February 23, 2018, 04:04:45 AM


February 23, 2018, 02:16:16 AM
Nyom Danilo.
(Atma will leave for a while for his almsround.)


February 22, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, ja ich ahb die khmer tastatur installiert! ich werde in den nächsten tagen text teilen und berichten!  :-*


February 22, 2018, 12:34:06 PM
Hat Nyom Marcel schon eine Khmer Tastatur installiert?


February 22, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
So ist das. Wenn Nahrung aufgebraucht, dann ist da für eine Weile Ende, und Wiedergeboren, es wieder brennen wird. Zum endgültigen legen des Feuers sind wir hier, oder? Pfau ruft, Gecko balzt, alles in Ordnung, oder?


February 22, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, letzte nacht davon geträumt, dass es beim ashram brennt!!
ich hoffe, das feuer hat sich gelegt  :-*


February 22, 2018, 11:43:37 AM
Nyom Marcel.


February 22, 2018, 09:08:57 AM


February 22, 2018, 08:49:51 AM
Möge Regen kommen und alle beschützt werden


February 22, 2018, 01:59:08 AM


February 22, 2018, 01:04:19 AM
ich  wünsche einen verdienstvollen uposatha!! all jende für morgen auch einen hervorragenden uposatha!!!
 :-* :-* :-*


February 19, 2018, 06:00:04 PM
Much joy and releasing touches here, Nyom Chris, my person will leave for today, befor it becomes tomorrow, and rest a little.


February 14, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
Sadhu, auch jenen, die ihn morgen, auch Chinesisches Neujahrsfest, begehen, einhalten.


February 14, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
einen verdienstvollen uposatha allen!!!


February 10, 2018, 12:31:09 PM
Sadhu! Mag er fruchtvoll verlaufen sein. Gerade wieder Möglichkeit erhalten, in dieser Welt hier beizutragen.


February 08, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
 :-* :-* :-* ich wünsche allen einen verdienstvollen uposatha  :-* :-* :-*


February 05, 2018, 02:19:14 PM

 :-* :-* :-* sadhu,sadhu,sadhu

 :-* :-* :-*


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