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Author Topic: "The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?  (Read 477 times)

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"The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?
« on: March 01, 2018, 07:46:46 AM »
Doesn't only the title sound pleasant for those wanting all?

Recently the Dhamma-trade group, since a longer doing a livelihood in selling "sages", puplished a new translation of the sages sayings:

NEW: The Silent Sages of Old [PDF]

Altought my person has less doubt that they would not answer, not even allow the comment displayed, (either because feeling caught, can actually not answer, or do not understand and simply fearing their trades endangered) following was asked:

My person wonders why it might be so difficult to trace hypocrisy, and what else then (graving after) accumulations such projects might be? Wouldn’t it be better to lead a project to clear up (the) living and acting in paradoxes, Anonymous? A writing sage, how could he be a sage in the mirror of his words? And on the other side, didn’t Mara often tried to quite the teachings in this way on the other hand (saying, the sages of old did not teach)? So why not be simply honest and try (not) to play something that (simply) does not work? Because how much sake would be an anonymos fake, and don’t think that my person just does a talk?

So, aside of suggesting to give in for a trade, and not really give it for sharing merits, the obiviously connection to well known "trades in Dhamma", such as Bodhi and the other seller, Anandajoti... what do you think, can a writer or teacher ever be a sake and if, how and in which ways would he contribute them?

My person is sure that also the anonymous Admin, of the Dhamma pressing page, might have to think more honest about the internet-confused role-playing games, Hermit Hiriko .

At least, what do you like, if even able, give people to encourage them to let go of the foolishness of role-playing and wonderland dreams? Is it worthy to feed just another belly and disrespect the sages for such low sakes?

Not even are those sakes able to give up money and others for projects in the world.

May the anonymous sage, if not caught in such trade company become not caught or sees while anonymously surfing the paradox and inhonest way.

When one teaches, one is a teacher, when one put nothing into the world, one is a sage, and if a sages feels it is good to teach, has certain remainders, then he might be a sage abounding his last remainders.

If one accumulates to do so, or accumulates from rewards, whether hidding in foolish "i am an anonymous sage" or not, it's good if knowing, "I teach", "I abound for no further becoming, at least I tried another time, may I honor the sages in proper ways and may the difference between a sage and one possible after it, be always visible to trace..."

At least, one can get in serious problems, filling ones belly, seek for accumulations, in suggessing others of being sakes...
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Re: "The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 10:49:54 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Admin of PP via email
Your arrogance appears very foolish and therefore you are causing a lot of demerit by calling the translator as "fake". If you knew who the translator is you might realize you are only youngster from kindergarten standing next to the professor.

The translator wants to keep his privacy and doesn't want to be known, so people don't seek for him. Simple as that.

Quote from: Johann via email to Anonymous od PP
Is it sure that my person called the translator fake, or what if?

Sure, must be a sage, if wishing to hold on his privacy. It's seems you don't see how "funny" you are.

From experiance as well in accordiance to the teachings, it's a matter of upanissaya if one seeks and possible finds... what if not an extreme advertising of "seek after me" should that be?

And what, if a sage actually, would make him wish others not to meet a sage and gain deep faith? (Aside that the Buddha did not want his sages to be just sold by those making livelihood out of them.

So how childish kindergarten is a possible "exactly knowing the talk", if imaging that it could be possible sitting actually in the crowd of kids? Just foods for thoughts and, yes, my person, even if you get the message, does not think that you may be able to actually answer the question and release it's paradox.

But like always, my person would be more then happy, if his "assumings" are wrong.

Feel always welcome and even if hard to take, no need to think that things are aside of own made of unskillful and not knowing origin.

If the translator gets that to read, he possible would explain you who or what talked with him and be sure that he would, others as you think really rejoice.

You wouldn't risk to give him release, wouldn't you. So he is possible not in the best association, what do you think?

(A possible sage or fake, having not accumulate enought knowledge and communication skill)

Samana Johann
doing Forest monk in Cambodia
(You are welcome to visit sangham.net)

For someone having no upanissaya at all, even if knowing name, adress, even frequently tracked by gps, even if standing in front, on would not find, either the sage nor the Dhamma.

Yes, my person really "wonders" or gives to wonder, what the kindergarten is about...

And tells you: this very graving for sensuality and becoming = craving after trade.

May the smell of another fart gives many rise for awakening.

Aren't the enough "anonymous-sages/fakes" around especially here in this realm and the others? Aren't there enought helpless Jains around?

My person can not remember even a lower sage not having approached with joyfull 'Sadhu!' after having been addressed in such way outside of the guilds of Jains having occupied this realm for worshipping their anonymity...

It would not wonder if certain sakes hold not only on rights developed in this world of anonymity but also a monk identification card an passport to possible defend and claim such rights...

Try to trace the sender/poster here.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2018, 11:18:23 AM by Johann »
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Re: "The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 11:36:01 AM »
Quote from: to Anonymous at PP
Btw., anonymous, in cases you would be able to risk the forwarding:

If the generous translator wishes to dedicate his work, in this case not out of compassion, but honor, respect and with wise intent to higher, toward the Noble Sangha and those following, aside of putting it into the world and trade, he may feel always invited to do so and may make use of the given enviroment on sangham.net for such, so that sages and those trust their ways seriously would be able to benefit from the sacrifice and possible carry it on outside the impure means of housholders but for many peoples later benefit, sacrificing toward Nibbana.

My person is sure that the translater will not feel insulted by possible respectless seeming approach. It's neither proper to show respect if improper nor if the object is anonymous, hides his appearence, merits and faults.

Again, it all, the whole spectrum of the very hindrance of stingyness lies again in your hand. After Jhana, path or fruits? If: consider wise.

Samana Johann
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July 14, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
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July 14, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
 :)  ;) Moritz, gut einfühlbar. In Österreich lebte der Körper nach der asiatischen Uhr, hier in N nach der österreichischen Uhr.
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Sadhu, und vergesse Nyom sich nicht.


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Nyom Moritz. Hat er auch ausreichend Schlaf genommen?


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Nyom Roman


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Ach ja, hab nun geändert. Vielleicht klappt's nun beim nächsten probieren @Roman


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Vielleicht gut wenn Meister Moritz Nyom Roman die 5 Mühsam-Beitagszahl hineinzaubert, da dann spamschutz wegfällt und er zu den unöffentlichen Foren Zugang hat.


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Hier eine kurze Bild-Erklärung zum Beantworten von Themen und Beiträgen.
Wenn noch Probleme, gern weiter hier nachfragen. _/\_


July 12, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
Gut zu hören, dass der Bruder sich mitfreut. Sadhu! :)
Möge alles problemlos im Eintritt in das neue Leben für ihn laufen. _/\_


July 12, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
Danke moritz

Ich werde es ausprobieren!!

Aufjedenfall war es eine sehr erfreuliche Nachricht! ! Ich bin sehr stolz auf marcel!! Mein herz geht auf!! Wunderschön!


July 12, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
(Also auch auf der neuen Seite, wo dann das Text-Eingabefeld ist: Das Text-Eingabefeld ist nicht gleich im Fokus, sondern man muss erst ein gutes Stück nach unten scrollen, um es zu finden.)
Nicht sicher gerade, wie es auf Smartphone aussieht, ob da viel anders ist.


July 12, 2018, 08:56:57 PM
Wenn man ganz unten ans Ende der letzten Nachricht scrollt, sollte da ein Button "Reply" oder "Antworten" sein. (Je nach eingestellter Sprache vielleicht.) Da drauf klicken. Dann sollte auf der nächsten Seite eine Texteingabe-Ansicht erscheinen. Zu der muss man aber erst ein Stück runter scrollen.


July 12, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Oh, die Nachricht wurde abgeschnitten. Hier in der Shoutbox sind nur ein paar hundert Zeichen möglich.
Ja, das Forum ist etwas unübersichtlich am Anfang. Moment, ich versuche mal, zu erklären. :)


July 12, 2018, 08:41:24 PM

Ich lese sehr viel hier!! Es ist sehr interessant!! Die Menge an Infos! ! Sehr toll!!..Ich habe versucht auf den Beitrag zu reagieren der die Entwicklung von nyom marcel beschreibt..glaube von Johann verfasst. Jedoch weiß ich noch nicht genau wie dieses funktioniert.
Ich habe die Nachric


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Hallo Roman, Binocular/Visitor _/\_


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Nyom Roman


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Ohh... es ist woeder mal 3 geworden. Atma erlaubt sich, sich zurückzuziehen und sich etwas um die Malaria zu kümmern.


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Chom reap leah, Bhante _/\_
Nun wirklich weg hier für heute, Arbeit ruft.


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Moritz, Danilo


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Meister Moritz


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  :-* Hallo Moritz


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Hallo, Marcel, Sophorn. _/\_


July 02, 2018, 05:18:33 AM
Nyom Sophorn, Nachricht von Bhante Indannano: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1554.msg15198.html#msg15198


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Angenehmen, klärenden Tag. Auch allen anderen.

Atmas Gesundheit, trotz der durch stetes Regnen zahlreicher Mitesser, ist soweit ok und wer weis wie morgen. Bisher schon länger malariaanfallverschont.



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(Bin erst mal kurz weg vom Computer.
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Guten Abend, Bhante. _/\_

Wie steht es um Ihre Gesundheit und Malaria?



July 01, 2018, 03:48:17 AM
Hallo Sophorn!
Gruß auch zurück nach Österreich :) _/\_


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Freut mich, dass es gut geht.

Beste Grüsse nach Asien und Resteuropa!  :-*


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Werte sophorn,
Mir geht es gut!  :-*


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Werter Marcel,
Wie geht's?


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  :'(- irrtümlich gesendet!!


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