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Author Topic: How-To: Timely & Untimely Development of The Factors of Enlightenment  (Read 562 times)

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Householder Ruslan , Ruslan 2

And what is the wrong time: There is the case where a person dwells in dependency on a home, he has not penetrated form and objects, he does not recognize eye and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge, ...the ear..., the nose..., the tongue, the body and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge. When ideas in the intellect arises, either in regard of inwardly or outwardly objects of the sense, he is incapable to discriminate of what is an internal or external stand. His virtue one of will, not natural yet, his acts rejecting responsibility in advanced, rather then affirming cause and effect of his act, having not arrived at the Dhamma, still living in dependency of a teacher, this is the wrong time.

Why is it the wrong time? Because, I tell you, his mind is not only sluggish but still bound to the householders state.

When the factors of awakening are developed at the wrong time, wrong liberation will be attained, and dwelling on Maras host will last a long, long time, incapable of going forth into the homeless state.

Just as a King, knowing the enemy is coming, had not invested skills and means to adjust his army being independently, would send it outward into the battle, would neither be able to besiege the enemy or able to escape, so too, one developing the factors of awakening, without having proper invested skills and means, would neither be able to besiege ignorance or craving.

And what is the right time: There is the case where a person dwells independend on a home, he has penetrated form and objects, he recognize eye and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge, ...the ear..., the nose..., the tongue, the body and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge. When ideas in the intellect arises, he is capable, in regard of inwardly or outwardly objects of the sense, to discriminate of what is an internal or external stand. His virtue not depending on will, natural, his acts confiming responsibility in before and after, affirming cause and effect of acts, having arrived at the Dhamma, living in independence of a teacher, this is the right time.

Why is it the right time? Because, I tell you, his mind is even if sluggish, no more bound to the householders state.

When the factors of awakening are developed at the right time, right liberation will be attained, unbound, neither householder, homeless, nor in between, or nothing of both.

Just as a King, knowing the enemy is coming, investes and developes skills and means to adjust his army being independently, would send it outward into the battle, would either be able to besiege the enemy or to escape, so too, one developing the factors of awakening, having proper invested skills and means, would either be able to besiege ignorance or craving.

And how is homlessness attained? By the faithfully developing the skill and use of doing merits, training the giving while investigating, by hearing or remembering the Dhamma at the right time, the independency of outwardly objects, the stream of the Dhamma is reached, attained.

Like if a King, knowing the enemy is coming, had invested skills and means to develope his fortress, his army gained skills and strength and protection in dependency, even if the enemy would direct approach at his door, would resist without having become cut off of an army and neither gained or lost a fortess for long, would resist the enemy, again and again, would grow with time, one would either win the stream by a battle outward at the right time, or right at the doors of is fortress, seaming as if his home would not break off, when the enemy for his last time approaches.

Once having reached the Dhamma, the army having made independently, there is no reason to why not send if out after the enemy, and win the final battle.

What does householder Ruslan think is a wise strategy if things are still not for sure and one, without bounds of duties and external debts, still prefers home to resist, calles household a Venerable one? Does he possible send out an dependent army without skills and means, while taking form as a protective fortress? Does he possible was precious time and merits by totally overestimate himself or underestimate aging, sickness and death by thoughts of "it will not come to me" or "my fortress of form will resists their approach".

The developing of the factors of awakening, have they been taught to and householder, aside of possible gravely ill, face to face with suffering, aging, illness and death, the breaking apart of form? Aren't those the means for one having left home and entered the stream?

Again, it is not clear to my person, why someone "having left home" would take on a stand as householder ouwardly voluntary, without outwardly in debt and not seek for the Brahmacariya for the rest of time to be spend.

How ever, what ever told or asked here, what ever intent might be behind this approach, a doer will have his responsibility for an act of will, what ever the intend was based on, to this will he fall, either toward being bound, or possible just resits his taken stake, or toward unbound.

Disclaiming, rejecting, responsibility might be probability, if not accidently inattentive, unaware, not deliberatly, a good sign of "it's not at the time to invest into develope wings for awakening, as the goldens cage look is not unsealed yet. But simply seeing this would bring one back to ones hometask, if, in German "home-giveup", by training giving, virtue and by reflecting the teaching while doing, slowly, slowly, or all together at one clear, proper timer and than facing aging, illness and death, dependency and it's backward all the time, all the time the right time to invest only in wings into awakening.

For one working here, has to left behind the keys, either for a while, or for the rest of his life, all voluntary, based either on conviction or having had gained, by going for it.
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As just got the simile. Taken one empties ones body into a pot, inattentive, not investigating first, and after looking one sees a bug struggling in the fluid, would one, arrived at the right time for developing the factors of awakening, think: "oh bug, this was your responsibility", or would one naturally try to help the bug out, caught in ones stinky dirt?

Would one, with the thought "what ever bug might be there, it's his responsibility, when becoming caught by my dirt", putting is dirt into the pot, or when facing the cause and effects, be won over by Mara: "hey, that will make you dirty. You had no intent to let him stuck", having not penetrated and lost all kinds of stinginess, be in the stream for developing the factors of awakening, at any time properly?

What's the matter for desire of beauty, estimate, and what's the matter of holding on of which has been gained? The different between greed and stingyness for dwelling, ones family, possessions, honor, dhamma, what's the matter with possible ingratitude and holding on a certain state, desiring to expand it? Busy with life and survive, or developing factors for keeping ones resistance, enlarge ones state?
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Quote from: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=29578#p464557 Doodoot, Element, Adhammadhatu

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Here, bhikkhus, extolling and disparaging and failure to teach only the Dhamma is a state beset by suffering … and it is the wrong way. Therefore this is a state with conflict.

“Here, bhikkhus, not extolling and not disparaging and teaching only the Dhamma is a state without suffering … and it is the right way. Therefore this is a state without conflict.

(excerpt from MN 139 Araṇavibhanga Sutta - The Exposition of Non-Conflict)
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Very pertinent quote for a forum such as Dhamma Wheel. Gratitude for posting it as a reminder to all.  :namaste:

And Mara, deceiver of the world, don't think you are not seen!

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Then Mara, the Evil One, taking possession of an attendant of the Brahma assembly, said to me, 'If, good sir, this is what you discern, if this is what you have awakened to, do not lead (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Do not teach the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Do not yearn for (lay) disciples or those gone forth. There were, good sir, before your time, brahmans & contemplatives in the world who claimed to be worthy & rightly self-awakened. They led (lay) disciples & those gone forth. They taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples & those gone forth. They yearned for (lay) disciples & those gone forth. Having led (lay) disciples & those gone forth, having taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples & those gone forth, having yearned for (lay) disciples & those gone forth, they — on the break-up of the body, with the cutting off of life — were established in a coarse body.

"'There were, good sir, before your time, brahmans & contemplatives in the world who claimed to be worthy & rightly self-awakened. They did not lead (lay) disciples or those gone forth. They did not teach the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth. They did not yearn for (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Having not led (lay) disciples or those gone forth, having not taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth, having not yearned for (lay) disciples or those gone forth, they — on the break-up of the body, with the cutting off of life — were established in a refined body.

"'So, monk, I tell you this: Please, good sir, be effortless. Abide committed to a pleasant abiding in the here-&-now — for it is skillful, good sir, that this not be taught. Don't instruct others.'

"When this was said, I told Mara the Evil One, 'I know you, Evil One. Don't assume, "He doesn't know me." You are Mara, Evil One. And it's not sympathetic to welfare that you speak thus to me. It's sympathetic to what is not welfare that you speak thus to me. You think this, Evil One: "Those to whom Gotama the contemplative will teach the Dhamma will defy my sovereignty. Without being rightly self-awakened, Evil One, your contemplatives & brahmans claimed to be rightly self-awakened. I, however, being rightly self-awakened claim to be rightly self-awakened. For when the Tathagata is teaching the Dhamma to his disciples, he is Such. When he is not teaching the Dhamma to his disciples, he is Such. When leading his disciples he is Such. When not leading his disciples he is Such. Why is that? The fermentations that defile, that lead to further becoming, that disturb, that ripen in stress, that tend to future birth, aging, & death: Those the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, like an uprooted palmyra tree, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Just as a palmyra tree with its crown cut off is incapable of growing again; so, too, the fermentations that defile, that lead to further becoming, that disturb, that ripen in stress, that tend to future birth, aging, & death: Those the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, like an uprooted palmyra tree, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising.'"

Thus, because of the silencing of Mara, and because of the brahma's invitation, this discourse is entitled, "The Brahma Invitation."

But that's how it is... having acted as a fourfold dobble agent, not confessed, you gain your furfold dobble agent, caught in you debts and no way for release.

So is it that "equal" are bond to each other, repeat the whell again and again, increase the corpse in the world.

Hard is it that a person of integrity arises, hard is it, that his teachings would resist for a long time, hard is it, to be touched by that on the base of release, knowing and seeing, here and now.

If you don't go (back) and let the Buddha, the Dhamma and his Sangha, sperate of what was factual and unfactual said by an outsider, how would you see not having become independently?

Don't thing that Mara does not use the Buddhas teaching, one time here, the half there, to keep you bound, making you indebt with the world with form, praising Elements.

Neither does one having become a person of integrity give Dhamma as a means of politic, or to play chess, for such, desire for gain, he has abounded.

As for protecting those not having reached the stream, one should not interpreted, but simple recited fully of what has been said, or approach one, free of desire for gain, to let it be explained, knowing the mind and inclination of those having told and able to point out traps one might be easy caught.

Having inclinations to down under, is twice difficult, since the water turns spining left not right into the hole and the Dhamma is taken for long time suffering by its tale.

*click, click, click* = don't take what is not given or with traps to earth attached. "Arbeit macht frei ", even if having been a thieve for long, long time, confessing is possible and gives release.
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Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "

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