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Householder Ruslan , Ruslan 2

And what is the wrong time: There is the case where a person dwells in dependency on a home, he has not penetrated form and objects, he does not recognize eye and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge, ...the ear..., the nose..., the tongue, the body and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge. When ideas in the intellect arises, either in regard of inwardly or outwardly objects of the sense, he is incapable to discriminate of what is an internal or external stand. His virtue one of will, not natural yet, his acts rejecting responsibility in advanced, rather then affirming cause and effect of his act, having not arrived at the Dhamma, still living in dependency of a teacher, this is the wrong time.

Why is it the wrong time? Because, I tell you, his mind is not only sluggish but still bound to the householders state.

When the factors of awakening are developed at the wrong time, wrong liberation will be attained, and dwelling on Maras host will last a long, long time, incapable of going forth into the homeless state.

Just as a King, knowing the enemy is coming, had not invested skills and means to adjust his army being independently, would send it outward into the battle, would neither be able to besiege the enemy or able to escape, so too, one developing the factors of awakening, without having proper invested skills and means, would neither be able to besiege ignorance or craving.

And what is the right time: There is the case where a person dwells independend on a home, he has penetrated form and objects, he recognize eye and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge, ...the ear..., the nose..., the tongue, the body and it's objects as unreal, changeable, insecure, improper to regard it as refuge. When ideas in the intellect arises, he is capable, in regard of inwardly or outwardly objects of the sense, to discriminate of what is an internal or external stand. His virtue not depending on will, natural, his acts confiming responsibility in before and after, affirming cause and effect of acts, having arrived at the Dhamma, living in independence of a teacher, this is the right time.

Why is it the right time? Because, I tell you, his mind is even if sluggish, no more bound to the householders state.

When the factors of awakening are developed at the right time, right liberation will be attained, unbound, neither householder, homeless, nor in between, or nothing of both.

Just as a King, knowing the enemy is coming, investes and developes skills and means to adjust his army being independently, would send it outward into the battle, would either be able to besiege the enemy or to escape, so too, one developing the factors of awakening, having proper invested skills and means, would either be able to besiege ignorance or craving.

And how is homlessness attained? By the faithfully developing the skill and use of doing merits, training the giving while investigating, by hearing or remembering the Dhamma at the right time, the independency of outwardly objects, the stream of the Dhamma is reached, attained.

Like if a King, knowing the enemy is coming, had invested skills and means to develope his fortress, his army gained skills and strength and protection in dependency, even if the enemy would direct approach at his door, would resist without having become cut off of an army and neither gained or lost a fortess for long, would resist the enemy, again and again, would grow with time, one would either win the stream by a battle outward at the right time, or right at the doors of is fortress, seaming as if his home would not break off, when the enemy for his last time approaches.

Once having reached the Dhamma, the army having made independently, there is no reason to why not send if out after the enemy, and win the final battle.

What does householder Ruslan think is a wise strategy if things are still not for sure and one, without bounds of duties and external debts, still prefers home to resist, calles household a Venerable one? Does he possible send out an dependent army without skills and means, while taking form as a protective fortress? Does he possible was precious time and merits by totally overestimate himself or underestimate aging, sickness and death by thoughts of "it will not come to me" or "my fortress of form will resists their approach".

The developing of the factors of awakening, have they been taught to and householder, aside of possible gravely ill, face to face with suffering, aging, illness and death, the breaking apart of form? Aren't those the means for one having left home and entered the stream?

Again, it is not clear to my person, why someone "having left home" would take on a stand as householder ouwardly voluntary, without outwardly in debt and not seek for the Brahmacariya for the rest of time to be spend.

How ever, what ever told or asked here, what ever intent might be behind this approach, a doer will have his responsibility for an act of will, what ever the intend was based on, to this will he fall, either toward being bound, or possible just resits his taken stake, or toward unbound.

Disclaiming, rejecting, responsibility might be probability, if not accidently inattentive, unaware, not deliberatly, a good sign of "it's not at the time to invest into develope wings for awakening, as the goldens cage look is not unsealed yet. But simply seeing this would bring one back to ones hometask, if, in German "home-giveup", by training giving, virtue and by reflecting the teaching while doing, slowly, slowly, or all together at one clear, proper timer and than facing aging, illness and death, dependency and it's backward all the time, all the time the right time to invest only in wings into awakening.

For one working here, has to left behind the keys, either for a while, or for the rest of his life, all voluntary, based either on conviction or having had gained, by going for it.
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As just got the simile. Taken one empties ones body into a pot, inattentive, not investigating first, and after looking one sees a bug struggling in the fluid, would one, arrived at the right time for developing the factors of awakening, think: "oh bug, this was your responsibility", or would one naturally try to help the bug out, caught in ones stinky dirt?

Would one, with the thought "what ever bug might be there, it's his responsibility, when becoming caught by my dirt", putting is dirt into the pot, or when facing the cause and effects, be won over by Mara: "hey, that will make you dirty. You had no intent to let him stuck", having not penetrated and lost all kinds of stinginess, be in the stream for developing the factors of awakening, at any time properly?

What's the matter for desire of beauty, estimate, and what's the matter of holding on of which has been gained? The different between greed and stingyness for dwelling, ones family, possessions, honor, dhamma, what's the matter with possible ingratitude and holding on a certain state, desiring to expand it? Busy with life and survive, or developing factors for keeping ones resistance, enlarge ones state?
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Quote from: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=29578#p464557 Doodoot, Element, Adhammadhatu

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Here, bhikkhus, extolling and disparaging and failure to teach only the Dhamma is a state beset by suffering … and it is the wrong way. Therefore this is a state with conflict.

“Here, bhikkhus, not extolling and not disparaging and teaching only the Dhamma is a state without suffering … and it is the right way. Therefore this is a state without conflict.

(excerpt from MN 139 Araṇavibhanga Sutta - The Exposition of Non-Conflict)
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Very pertinent quote for a forum such as Dhamma Wheel. Gratitude for posting it as a reminder to all.  :namaste:

And Mara, deceiver of the world, don't think you are not seen!

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Then Mara, the Evil One, taking possession of an attendant of the Brahma assembly, said to me, 'If, good sir, this is what you discern, if this is what you have awakened to, do not lead (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Do not teach the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Do not yearn for (lay) disciples or those gone forth. There were, good sir, before your time, brahmans & contemplatives in the world who claimed to be worthy & rightly self-awakened. They led (lay) disciples & those gone forth. They taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples & those gone forth. They yearned for (lay) disciples & those gone forth. Having led (lay) disciples & those gone forth, having taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples & those gone forth, having yearned for (lay) disciples & those gone forth, they — on the break-up of the body, with the cutting off of life — were established in a coarse body.

"'There were, good sir, before your time, brahmans & contemplatives in the world who claimed to be worthy & rightly self-awakened. They did not lead (lay) disciples or those gone forth. They did not teach the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth. They did not yearn for (lay) disciples or those gone forth. Having not led (lay) disciples or those gone forth, having not taught the Dhamma to (lay) disciples or those gone forth, having not yearned for (lay) disciples or those gone forth, they — on the break-up of the body, with the cutting off of life — were established in a refined body.

"'So, monk, I tell you this: Please, good sir, be effortless. Abide committed to a pleasant abiding in the here-&-now — for it is skillful, good sir, that this not be taught. Don't instruct others.'

"When this was said, I told Mara the Evil One, 'I know you, Evil One. Don't assume, "He doesn't know me." You are Mara, Evil One. And it's not sympathetic to welfare that you speak thus to me. It's sympathetic to what is not welfare that you speak thus to me. You think this, Evil One: "Those to whom Gotama the contemplative will teach the Dhamma will defy my sovereignty. Without being rightly self-awakened, Evil One, your contemplatives & brahmans claimed to be rightly self-awakened. I, however, being rightly self-awakened claim to be rightly self-awakened. For when the Tathagata is teaching the Dhamma to his disciples, he is Such. When he is not teaching the Dhamma to his disciples, he is Such. When leading his disciples he is Such. When not leading his disciples he is Such. Why is that? The fermentations that defile, that lead to further becoming, that disturb, that ripen in stress, that tend to future birth, aging, & death: Those the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, like an uprooted palmyra tree, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Just as a palmyra tree with its crown cut off is incapable of growing again; so, too, the fermentations that defile, that lead to further becoming, that disturb, that ripen in stress, that tend to future birth, aging, & death: Those the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, like an uprooted palmyra tree, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising.'"

Thus, because of the silencing of Mara, and because of the brahma's invitation, this discourse is entitled, "The Brahma Invitation."

But that's how it is... having acted as a fourfold dobble agent, not confessed, you gain your furfold dobble agent, caught in you debts and no way for release.

So is it that "equal" are bond to each other, repeat the whell again and again, increase the corpse in the world.

Hard is it that a person of integrity arises, hard is it, that his teachings would resist for a long time, hard is it, to be touched by that on the base of release, knowing and seeing, here and now.

If you don't go (back) and let the Buddha, the Dhamma and his Sangha, sperate of what was factual and unfactual said by an outsider, how would you see not having become independently?

Don't thing that Mara does not use the Buddhas teaching, one time here, the half there, to keep you bound, making you indebt with the world with form, praising Elements.

Neither does one having become a person of integrity give Dhamma as a means of politic, or to play chess, for such, desire for gain, he has abounded.

As for protecting those not having reached the stream, one should not interpreted, but simple recited fully of what has been said, or approach one, free of desire for gain, to let it be explained, knowing the mind and inclination of those having told and able to point out traps one might be easy caught.

Having inclinations to down under, is twice difficult, since the water turns spining left not right into the hole and the Dhamma is taken for long time suffering by its tale.

*click, click, click* = don't take what is not given or with traps to earth attached. "Arbeit macht frei ", even if having been a thieve for long, long time, confessing is possible and gives release.
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Johann

August 13, 2018, 05:13:25 AM
Händler mögen es nicht sich für passendes Mudita hinzugeben, und würden nur in Lob über deren Handelsware sprechen. Warum Leute Lobenswertes nicht loben: apacayana eine er 12 Personen: "...ein Geschäftsmann, sich seiner Schuld zum Arbeiten für seinen Vorteil verschrieben."
 

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Erfreuenden und klärenden Neumond-Uposatha, den Ehrw. Herren, Anhängern und Interessierten.
 

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Sokh chomreoun Nyom. Möge sich Sukha zur Vollständigkeit mehren.
 

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Ich muss wieder an die Arbeit. Einen angenehmen Abend, Bhante _/\_
 

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August 10, 2018, 05:25:27 PM
Nyom Moritz.

Nyom Mohan.
 

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Mohan Gnanathilake

August 05, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
Sehr ehrwürdiger Samanera Johann,

ich habe der Gruppe „ Anussavika“ beigetreten.

Dhamma Grüβe an Sie aus Sri Lanka!
 

Johann

July 31, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
Den Weg kennend, im Vertrauen jenen folgen ihn gehend, gegangen, sich dann ausschließlich um die Enihsltung des Weges kümmer, gelangt man nach oben und hinaus. So, in dieser Weise, ist "der Weh ist das Ziel zu verstehen.
 

Johann

July 31, 2018, 04:33:35 PM
Mögen alles stets vorrangig auf die Qualitäten von Handlungen und Hingaben, die Ursachen für Früchte achten und nicht wie dumme gewöhnliche Leute, Zeile fixieren und danach gfreifen, die Ursachen damit fehlen, nie zu Früchten kommend, falscher Mitteln für Wirkung bedient.

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Johann

July 28, 2018, 07:38:00 AM
on how the blessed hobby, the liberating anime, the sublime gotchi decays for one and at a certain point for all: Dhamma-Gotchi and only fake last for some times lasting till also the mythos decays.
 

Johann

July 26, 2018, 01:50:45 PM
Morgen, Vollmond vor dem Vassa seiend, mag jener, der nicht zu sehr verstrickt in Fehlinvestitionen, die Gelegenheit für Lösung von Verstrickungen zu nützen vermögen.
 

Johann

July 26, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
Morgen, Vollmond vor dem Vassa seiend, mag jener, der nicht zu sehr verstrickt in Fehlinvestitionen, die Gelegenheit für Lösung von Verstrickungen zu nützen vermögen.

Roman

July 22, 2018, 08:01:16 PM
Danke für die Infos
und eine friedliche Nacht
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 06:27:44 PM
Atma, zieht sich nun zurück, wieder spät geworden, Nyom. Ruhe Freude und Geduld beim ungestörten Erkunden und Gelegenheiten, Gegeben-heiten, nutzen.
 

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July 22, 2018, 03:13:38 PM
Atma wird das Gespräch nun versuchen in Passendes Thema im Forum zu kopieren.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:12:06 PM
In Sorge Unmut ob der Situation, gänzlich anders Vorgestellt,  zu mehren, hatte Johann nicht nach Marcel gefragt. Doch hätte er, würde er er erwähnen, wenn da dringliches und triftige Sorge um Marcel wäre. Gute Übung und Lehre, alles in allem, für viele, wenn danach ausgerichtet. Also einfach
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
Bhante Indannano, Johann angerufen habend, kurz, vor Tagen, unterrichtet geworden das Johann am Weg in die Hauptstadt sein, hatte sich sehr zurückhaltend und kurz gehalten. Wohl nicht mit den weltlichen Hindernissen all zu Erfreut und noch ungelößt.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:03:21 PM
Im Verwenden des Forums, überall, keine Sorge irgendwo was Falsch zu machen, ist es Stressfreier und Langlebiger, auch für andere, als Geschenk, Nyom Roman. Woimmer.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Nyom kam Nyom als "füherer Elternteil/Verwandter" betrachten. Hie etwas Technischer: ញោម "Nyom", ñoma - Ursprung bzw. Bedeutung
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:56:10 PM
Wenn Sie sich freimachen können, besuchen Sie ihn, und machen Sie Entdeckungsreise in unbekannter Welt, während ihm vielleich Weltliches abnehmen könnend.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:53:55 PM
mit Freude tun oder Geben mag, wo immer, ist vorallem für Roman glücksverheißend, neben Moraluscher Stange zum Glück für ihn haltend.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
Mag er sicher Abstand von Unsicherm Gewinnen. Was immer Roman sich inspiriet fühlt, geschicktes, niemanden Verletzendes zu geben, zu tun, gar vielleicht mehr an jemand erhabener als "nur" eigener Bruder denkend,

Roman

July 22, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
  Und was bedeutet Nyom...Ich habe versucht zu übersetzen.  Jedoch weiß ich nicht ob der Bezug richtig ist
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:48:39 PM
Johann hat ihn schon länger nicht persönlich getroffen, ob in Buchstaben, am Ohr oder mit mehr Sinnen. Gestern war er wohl online hier. Denke er ist sehr vertieft in der Praxis und hat eigentlich wenig Interesse sich um Äußerses zu kümmern.

Roman

July 22, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Beim lesen von den Beiträgen fällt es mir noch bißchen schwer alles zu verstehen...Ich frage mich gerade wer Atma ist..Und moritz bist du für die Internetseite zuständig?  

Roman

July 22, 2018, 02:43:49 PM
Hallo,

Ich lese viel hier und wollte mich mal erkundigen wie es mit Marcel so steht..Hatte letzte Woche mit ihm gesprochen und es geht ihm gut! Hatte Johann geschrieben wie ich helfen kann..
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Sophorn

July 20, 2018, 05:09:54 AM
Sadhu. Möge es ein verdienstvolller Tag sein!
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

July 20, 2018, 03:06:04 AM
Allen einen verdienstvollen Silatag, der letzte vor dem Antritt der Regenrückzugszeit.
 

Sophorn

July 14, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
Karuna tvay bongkum Bhante
 :-*  :-* :-*
 

Sophorn

July 14, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
 :)  ;) Moritz, gut einfühlbar. In Österreich lebte der Körper nach der asiatischen Uhr, hier in N nach der österreichischen Uhr.
Nicht zeitgerecht der Natur entsprechend zu leben, überfordert den Körper.  
Beste Grüße aus Kathmandu!  :-*
 

Johann

July 14, 2018, 11:06:18 AM
Sadhu, und vergesse Nyom sich nicht.
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 11:00:04 AM
Es wird spät in Hawaii. Einen friedlichen Tag allen. _/\_
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Ja, gestern Vormittag bis Nachmittag. Ich lebe wohl gerade ungefähr im Einklang mit der Zeitzone von Hawaii.
 

Johann

July 14, 2018, 07:36:45 AM
Nyom Moritz. Hat er auch ausreichend Schlaf genommen?
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
Good day, Bhante _/\_
 

Moritz

July 13, 2018, 05:58:06 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

July 13, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Moritz

July 13, 2018, 03:07:40 AM
Ach ja, hab nun geändert. Vielleicht klappt's nun beim nächsten probieren @Roman
_/\_
 

Johann

July 13, 2018, 02:21:56 AM
Vielleicht gut wenn Meister Moritz Nyom Roman die 5 Mühsam-Beitagszahl hineinzaubert, da dann spamschutz wegfällt und er zu den unöffentlichen Foren Zugang hat.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Hier eine kurze Bild-Erklärung zum Beantworten von Themen und Beiträgen.
Wenn noch Probleme, gern weiter hier nachfragen. _/\_
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
Gut zu hören, dass der Bruder sich mitfreut. Sadhu! :)
Möge alles problemlos im Eintritt in das neue Leben für ihn laufen. _/\_

Roman

July 12, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
Danke moritz

Ich werde es ausprobieren!!

Aufjedenfall war es eine sehr erfreuliche Nachricht! ! Ich bin sehr stolz auf marcel!! Mein herz geht auf!! Wunderschön!
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
(Also auch auf der neuen Seite, wo dann das Text-Eingabefeld ist: Das Text-Eingabefeld ist nicht gleich im Fokus, sondern man muss erst ein gutes Stück nach unten scrollen, um es zu finden.)
Nicht sicher gerade, wie es auf Smartphone aussieht, ob da viel anders ist.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:56:57 PM
Wenn man ganz unten ans Ende der letzten Nachricht scrollt, sollte da ein Button "Reply" oder "Antworten" sein. (Je nach eingestellter Sprache vielleicht.) Da drauf klicken. Dann sollte auf der nächsten Seite eine Texteingabe-Ansicht erscheinen. Zu der muss man aber erst ein Stück runter scrollen.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Oh, die Nachricht wurde abgeschnitten. Hier in der Shoutbox sind nur ein paar hundert Zeichen möglich.
Ja, das Forum ist etwas unübersichtlich am Anfang. Moment, ich versuche mal, zu erklären. :)

Roman

July 12, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
Hallo

Ich lese sehr viel hier!! Es ist sehr interessant!! Die Menge an Infos! ! Sehr toll!!..Ich habe versucht auf den Beitrag zu reagieren der die Entwicklung von nyom marcel beschreibt..glaube von Johann verfasst. Jedoch weiß ich noch nicht genau wie dieses funktioniert.
Ich habe die Nachric
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:34:57 PM
Hallo Roman, Binocular/Visitor _/\_
 

Johann

July 12, 2018, 02:08:25 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Johann

July 11, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
Ohh... es ist woeder mal 3 geworden. Atma erlaubt sich, sich zurückzuziehen und sich etwas um die Malaria zu kümmern.

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