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Kennt ihr Leute die Schweine halten? Warum halten Leute Schweine? Weil sie aus den Schweinen Gewinn ziehen wollen. Darum halten Leute Schweine. Schlachten Leute die Schweine halten ihre Schweine? Nicht immer schlachten Leute Schweine die sie halten. Manche verkaufen sie auch wenn sie groß und fett sind, den manche wollen zwar Gewinn aus dem Schwein schlagen, aber es nicht verletzen. Darum schlachten manche Leute ihre Schweine nicht, sie leben dennoch davon daß das Schwein geschlachtet wird.

Gibt es Leute die ihre Schweine weder verkaufen noch schlachten? Ja, da gibt es jene Leute die Schweine halten um andere Schweine zu ziehen. Sie wollen ihr Schwein weder schlachten noch zum schlachten verkaufen und dennoch halten sie ihr Schwein um Schweine zu ziehen die später geschlachtet werden. Gibt es Leute die keinen Schwein letztlich ein Leid antun? Wenig Leute gibt es die einem Schwein letztlich kein Leid antun. Sie halten kein Schwein um indirekten Gewinn daraus zu schlagen und sie fragen nicht nach Schweinefleisch um einen direkten Gewinn vom Schwein zu haben.

Angenommen da ist nun ein Schweinehüter und kann sein Schwein nicht mehr füttern, da geht er zu jenem, der den Schweinen kein Leid zu fügen möchte und bittet ihn auf das Schwein aufzupassen, bis er es selbst wieder tun kann. Was denkt ihr sollte jener tun, der dem Schwein kein leiden antun will?

Wenn er nun nein sagt, kann es sein, daß das Schwein leidet oder stirbt, weil es keine Nahrung bekommt. Wenn er ja sagt, wird es so sein, daß der Schweinebesitzer später, wenn er wieder in der Lage ist, zurückkommt um sich seinen investierten Anteil zu holen. Dann hätte der mit dem Schwein Mitfühlende das Schwein ebenfalls bis zum großen Schlachten genährt.

Will man dem Schwein helfen, muß es letztlich von seinem Besitzer los. Da stellt sich die Frage, wer nun eigentlich dessen Besitzer ist. Wenn wir nun das Schwein betrachten, bleibt es bei dem Schweinehüter von ganz allein. Weder hat er es angebunden noch hat er es eingesperrt. Und wenn man es genau betrachtet, ist es gar nicht unfreiwillig bei seinem Herrn. Kann es sein, daß der Schweinehüter gar nicht der Besitzer ist? Wer oder was führt den dann das Schwein zum Leid?

Da kann einer so ein Schwein schlagen und treten was er will, kommt es dennoch stets zurück zu seinem Herrn. Der Besitzer des Schweins ist ganz und gar nicht sein Herr sondern ausschließlich seine eigene Gier.

Was immer das Schwein in Summe wohlfühlen lässt, ist nun sein Herr. Wie könnte der mit dem Schwein mitfühlende nun je sein neuer Herr sein? Indem er dem Schwein das gibt was es später tötet, indem er dem Schwein seinen Besitzer läßt? Selbst wenn er das Schwein etwas vom Besitze Gier los trennen kann, indem er das Schwein von ihm entwöhnt, wird es ganz klar seinen Besitzer wieder erlangen wenn sein Herr es an das Vergnügen durch den Besitzer erinnert. Ein Topf voll Freude und der Besitzer hat es wieder.

Wenn das Schwein wüßte was ihm geschieht, wäre dies vielleicht ein Weg, aber sein wahrer Besitzer lässt ihm diesen Gedanken gar nicht frei. Es hängt am Leben und daher frißt und frißt es, bis es seinen Zweck erfüllt hat und andere sich die vorangegangene Mühen redlich teilen. Nutzen und Nutzer sind ein untrennbares Paar.

Deshalb ist der mit den Schweinen mitfühlende wohl weder beliebt bei Herren noch beim Schwein, mitfühlen wird er letztlich ziemlich allein sein. Zu groß ist die Furcht das zu verlieren was einem als guttuend erscheint, gewöhnlich und nahe ist. Zu klein die Vorstellung das es ein Leben ohne Besitzer gibt. Zu sehr ist der Herr auf das Leiden des Schweines angewiesen und merkt erst gar nicht das er dem Schwein so ähnlich in seiner Gefangenheit ist.

Das Schwein erkennt seine Situation in keiner Weise und meint sogar wohlbehalten zu sein. Es merkt nicht was begehren letztlich heißt. Es frißt im Schlamm und Kot, es schläft im Schlamm und Kot, es lebt mit dem wie es bequem und angenehm erscheint. Und wenn da ein selbst ein Kleines erdrückt wird, fühlt sich das Schwein im Leiden frei.

Der Grund warum das Schwein auch seine nächste Situation nicht ändert ist, weil das Schwein einen langen Körper hat und viel zu unflexibel ist um zu erkennen, das der Schmutz in dem es steckt aus seinem eigenen Hinterteil kommt. Es nimmt die Freuden mit seinen Sinnen auf doch merk es deren Auswirkungen nicht. Der Kopf, daß Maul ist weit vom Hinterteil entfernt.

Das Wesen des Herren ist dem Schwein sehr gleich, auch er sieht nur was ihm gerade wohl erscheint. Der Körper seiner Denkweise ist gleich dem eines Schweins. Auch er sieht nicht das Leiden das ihn umgibt, den Schlamm und Kot in dem er steht, und seinen Besitzer hat er gern, achtet er doch stets, daß auch er nie der Furcht vor Freiheit ausgeliefert sei.

Dies dann herzzerbrechend wahrnehmend, ist der mit den Schweinen Mitfühlenden im Kreislauf wieder voll dabei. *schmunzel* Was für eine effiziente Schweinerei. Da raus zu kommen, alle samt, wie soll das gehen? Selbst mit viel Geduld und Eifer müßte man das Leid der Schweine ständig nutzen. Auf ihrer Uneinsicht auf ihrem Rücken eine solchen weg dann gehen? Ich Schweinchen, für dich tu ich es für dich und alle tu ich‘s ganz allein... Allein?? Am Ende muß man sich erst selbst von der Gier ganz alleine befreien...

Freiheit von der Buddhanatur
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Re: Ein Leben wie ein Rettungsschwein - A life like a rescue pig
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 05:33:58 AM »
A lifes as rescue pig

Do you know people raise pigs? Why do people keep pigs? Because they like to gain benefit from it. This is why people raise pigs.

Do people slayer the pigs they raise? Not always do people slayer the pigs they raise. Some do also sell them, when they are big and fat, because some like to gain profit from the pig, but fear to hurt it by themselves. This is why people do not slayer their pigs, but nevertheless live from it, that the pig would be killed.

Are there people who neither kill nor sell their pig? Yes, there are those people who keep pigs to raise other pigs. They don't like to sell or slayer their pig, nevertheless, they keep their pig to raise to raise other pigs, who will be sold and killed later.

Are there people who, at least, do not harm any pig? Less people are there, who do, at least, not harm any pig. They do not keep pigs to gain direct or indirect gain from it, and they do not ask for met from pigs, to gain direct gain from pigs.

Given there is a pig-keeper and he is no more able to feed his pig. Then he goes to whom who does not like to harm pigs and asks him to take care of the pig, till he is able to care by himselves for it again. What do you think should the asked, who does not like to harm pigs do?

If he would say "no", it could be that the pig may suffer and die. If he says "yes", it will be that way, that the pig owner will return, once in the position again, to get his invested share, or more. Then, the one feeling compassion, whould have had take care of it for is sad sake, the big slayer, as well.

If wishing to help the pig lasting and really, it must gain release from it's owner. Here the question arises, who actually is the owner? If we look at the pig, it stays by its holder "voluntary". Neither is it bound by physical strings, nor did he had physical imprisoned it. And if we look carefully, it's not really forced to stay by it's outwardly owner. Is it possible that the Pig keeper is not really the owner? Who or what leads the pig to suffering?

One can even beat a pig how ever he likes, it will come back to his owner. The outwardly owner of the pig is actually not its lord, but its own greed.

What ever lets the pig feel pleasant in large, it is now his master. How could the one, feeling compassiin with the pig, become ever his new master? In a way that he gives to it of what will kill it later, brings another birth? By ways of leaving it to it's owner?

Even if the pig is able yo gain a little release from the greed of its owner, in ways he weans it from him, it will, it not uprooted, clearly finds to its owner again, if being reminded on the pleasure with him. A pot of sensual pleasure and identification, and the owner gets it back again.

If the pig would know of what actually happens to it, then this would be probably a way, but its true owner does not release him to such a view. It is attached to life and therefore it eats and eats, this it fulfills its purpose and others share equal the result of their previous sacrifices. User and used are a strong to each other bound pair.

That is why the real compassionate toward the pig and the owner as well, for the most not beloved under Lords and pigs, compassionate one dwells alone.

To big is the fear to loose of what seems beneficial for one, what is common and near. To less developed is the vision of being free of an owner. To much does the Lord depend on the suffering of the pig and does not even realice that he is equal imprisoned by the pig.

The pig does in no way realize its situation and even feels well treated. It does not recognize of what desiring means at least. It feeds within dirt and dung, it sleeps within dirt and dung, it lives with what seems to be comfortable and pleasing. And even if it crushes a young, the pig feels free in its suffering.

The reason why the pig does not see its very next own situation is, because the pig has a very long body and much to less flexible to see, that the dirt in which it got stock comes out of its own back. It receives the pleasures of and with its sense, but does not realize it's own made backwards. The head, the mouth is to far from it's back, mindfullness an clear comprehension to weak to see the circle.

The owner is very similar to the pig, he also sees just of what seems to be well for now. The body of thinking is equal the long and inflexible body of the pig. Also he does not see the suffering he is surrounded, the dirt and dung he stands on. And he loves his owner, because he always cares that he might never fear the lose he sees as liberty

To see this heart breaking situation, the unwise person, with compassion, gainst to be suddenly being part of the circle again *smile*

What an efficient swinishness (pigery)!

To get out of that, all together, how should that work? Even with a lot of patient and effort, one would be required to make his foolish journey paven by the suffering of pigs. To make such a journey carried on the back of their ignorance?

I, piggy, do it for you and for all I do it, totally alone... Alone??

At the end or toward it, one requires to liberate oneself from craving alone... give only into what is tended and leads to liberation, leaving the rest back to those delight in being bound, to becoming, aging, sickness and death.

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Re: Ein Leben wie ein Rettungsschwein - A life like a rescue pig
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2018, 05:45:25 AM »
Now there are those blesse, as far as this, to gain samvega, but unfortunately approach those with less faith into the path of liberation, seeking under cookie monsters ways to gain release from desire of cookies....

How do I deal with samvega while being a householder?

I'm having difficulties managing the feelings associated with samvega.

I don't feel quite ready to renounce the world yet, despite having strong urges to do so.

In a way, I want to have my cake and eat it too. I have always known that I want to pursue the monastic life eventually; the thought is always in my mind's background. However, I also feel that I have to succeed in worldly terms, and I'm not there yet.

I have been a Buddhist for almost 20 years. My grandpa introduced me to the Four Noble Truths when I was a kid. I have experienced samvega before, but this time, it feels stronger than ever, maybe due to the concomitant pasada (clarity) being stronger as well.

I need a plan of action. I feel that I need to settle out or reach closure on certain personal social issues before I set out on the path to nibbana, yet these feelings of samvega are threatening my plans, and I'm afraid I will end up not achieving either goal.

Maybe someone likes to throw this lifesaver bond on this tread to a fellow or even a former relative, standing now on new ground.

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Re: Ein Leben wie ein Rettungsschwein - A life like a rescue pig
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2018, 06:06:15 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Wieder und wieder, werden die Samen des Korns gesät,
Wieder und wieder, senden herab die Götter den Regen,
Wieder und wieder, pflügen die Bauern die Felder,
Wieder und wieder, ist das Land bereichert.
Wieder und wieder, die Bettler um Almosen betteln,
Wieder und wieder, die gütigen Geber geben,
Und wiederholend gebend, die Geber machen,
Wieder und wieder, für glückliche Welten darüber hinaus.
Wieder und wieder, wird die Milch von den Kühen entnommen,
Wieder und wieder, zieht das Kalb zu seinem Muttertier,
Wieder und wieder, ein Lebewesen ermüdet und erzittert,
Wieder und wieder, gelangt der Narr in den Schoß.
Wieder und wieder, kommt Geburt und Tod über Euch,
Wieder und wieder, tragen Euch Männer zu Grabe.
Aber jene die klar sehen, den Pfad erkannt,
Welcher nicht zu Geburt führt, kommt nie wieder auf.

Und es ist mit geben von Freiheit, das Freiheit erlangt wird. Deshalb, einer, der Dhamma im Einklang mit dem Dhamma gibt, nicht nur anderen Weg zir Freiheit schenkts, sondern auch selbst der Todlosigkeit sicher wird
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Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

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October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

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October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

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October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

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October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

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October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

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October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

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October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

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October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

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October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

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October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

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October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

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October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

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October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

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October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

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October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

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October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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