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Author Topic: Rejecting the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha out of anger: beware of closing up a door  (Read 144 times)

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Dieses neue Thema (bzw. diese/r Beitrag/e) wurde  aus abgetrennten Beiträgen, ursprünglich in Sterilization - Castration, a matter of compassion or just unskilfull? , hinzugefügt. Für ev. ergänzende Informationen zur sehen Sie bitte das Ursprugsthema ein. Anumodana!

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What's the matter behind? Why binding? Why are people so eager after "helping" while actually having not really means for it? Isn't there not enough struggle to care about oneself without harming others in this or that way, if heedful and conscientious?

Ven. Johann, the matter is that your rhetoric encouraging people to adopt your ways and urgently give up everything in their lifes is motivated merely by a belief (literal rebirth) and each one of us relate to this belief in a different way.

For those who is willing to put his faith/passion for this belief aside and make a honestly reevaluation about this issue looking for unbiased sources and more realiable methods to attest the validity of this hypothesis, will see that this belief is unlikely to be real. There is plenty of factors against and anyone could make a search to verify for oneself if interested.

Nyom Danilo , nobody urges you to put into faith and practice at first place to be able to see for your self.

How ever, it may be understandable that rejecting certain accounts which get placed on the lable truthful, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha and even called skilfull, yet just another baseless assuming and personal opinion. Many people cherry picking form the Juwels to either defend their state (jati) or fight states of others. It does not need to be told, that grasp the snake (Dhamma) at the tail is most hurtfull.

If having enough freedom to simply look at your current state, unease and anger that has arisen, would already show visible for your self, the truth of rebirth on a mirco level. Yet it's of course difficult, once having fallen to not simply deny it's cause.

It was not out of reason, althought not necessary to simply answer your question of the past, to provide you, seeing that at the root aversion is underlying, that my person tried to lead Nyom Danilo more deeper to the roots.

If there was a certain amout of real kusala citta, while having given into the gift that later arose out of this, Nyom Danilo will have ways to get his mind a little settled again. If it was all but the taking on the change to defend a certain stand and give others a beat with it, e.g. giving to harm at least, it might even reduce his capacities (certain hints of this clear visible tendions dangers have been given along the way, possible understanding now better or way that not visible for Danilo at this time was said).

Anger, aversion ... such things happen, and doubt is actually only be reaching the stream really abound. Aside of very grave missdeeds or grave past, it's always possible to get lift up if having fallen into a transgression, and as the Buddha told, there are to fools in this regard:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"The one who doesn't see his transgression as a transgression, and the one who doesn't rightfully pardon another who has confessed his transgression. These two are fools.

"These two are wise people. Which two? The one who sees his transgression as a transgression, and the one who rightfully pardons another who has confessed his transgression. These two are wise people."

So there is nothing to worry in this regard, once not in association with fools.

As for the case that Nyom Danilo has actually neither interest to grow not to find the way for release, but seeks merely food and circumstances to nurish for and maintain certain own stand/state, it's not wise to seek for such under the Juwels, althought nearly all "buddhist" social and discussion groups do so. It's a lot of demerit to find certain enjoyment based on Dhamma while actually just another debater under another "bread and games" audience.

If after such, simply maintain ones stand/state, better away from the Gems eternally, for the Dhamma is not given even a little for such.

All this should be not understood, that certain rebuke and request, corrections of misstakes and filling graps, my person possible caused harm toward the juwels, out of compassion and generosity, is not welcome, as well it can be expected that there is still certain patient and other paramis left to take on also "hard nuts" to be broken, but to wish for it, to get tamed by the Buddha and his Dhamma, is ones own choice and would not be possible otherwise then voluntary.

With certain confidence in Danilos past wise actions and potental out of it, my person likes to trust, that he will find the way to real happiness for himself, even if not with ease all times. So in regard of ease: may he reach it, if seeked for, with ease.

Metta (goodwill) & mudita (appreciation with others past merits and potential)
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Sadhu, Bhante.  _/\_
I was a bit annoyed, but the annoyance has already vanished.  _/\_

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No problem Nyom Danilo . May person uses to "provoke" till the edge, so understandable.

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