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Author Topic: Sanghamitta - Der gute Freund der Sangha, und jener in Verkleidung eines Freund.  (Read 647 times)

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Der schlechte "Freund" der Sanghas Mitglieder im Training:

“Diese vier Freunde, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollten als Feind in der Verkleidung eines Freundes verstanden sein:

(A) einer, der den Besitz der Sangha nachstellt,
(B) einer, der schöne Worte und viele Versprechen macht,
(C) einer, der schmeichelt,
(D) einer, der Ruin bringt.

(A) "Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemand, als einer, der den Besitz seiner Freunde nachstellt, als ein Feind in der Verkleidung eines Freundes, verstanden sehen:

(i) er macht sich den Reichtum der Sangha zu Nutzen,
(ii) er gibt wenig, aber fragt nach vielem,
(iii) er erfüllt seine Pflichten nur aus Angst,
(iv) er steht nur zu seinem Zwecke bei.

(B) “Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemand, als einen, der schöne Worte und viele Versprechen macht, als ein Feind in der Verkleidung eines Freundes, verstanden sehen:

(i) er erfüllt freundlich Dienste als Gegenleistung aus der Vergangenheit,
(ii) er erfüllt freundlich Dienste als eine Vorleistung für die Zukunft,
(iii) er versucht Ansehen durch leere Worte zu gewinnen,
(iv) wenn eine Möglichkeit für einen Dienst ansteht, erklärt er, es sei nicht fähig oder mittellos.

(C) “Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemand, als einen, der schmeichelt, als ein Feind in der Verkleidung eines Freundes, verstanden sehen:

(i) er steht hinter den schlechten Taten der Sangha,
(ii) er lobpreist die guten Taten der Sangha nicht,
(iii) er lobt sie in Anwesenheit,
(iv) er redet schlecht in seiner Abwesenheit.

(D) “Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte jemand, als einen, der Ruin bringt, als ein Feind in der Verkleidung eines Freundes, verstanden sehen:

(i) er ist ein Gefährte in der Hingabe zu Berauschendem, welches Betörung und Kopflosigkeit erzeugt,
(ii) er ist ein Gefährte im Herumziehen durch die Straßen zu unpassenden Zeiten,
(iii) er ist ein Gefährte beim Besuchen vergnüglicher Veranstaltungen,
(iv) er ist ein Gefährte in der Hingabe zum Spiel, das Kopflosigkeit erzeugt."


Der gute Freund der Sanghas Mitglieder im Training:

"Diese vier, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollten man als wohlwollende Freunde verstanden sehen:

(E) einer, der ein Helfer ist,
(F) einer, der gleich ist, ob nun in Freude oder Schmerz,
(G) einer, der gute Ratschläge gibt,
(H) einer, der nachempfinden kann.

(E) "Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemand als einen, der ein Helfer ist, als wohlwollender Freund, verstanden sehen:

(i) er beschützt den Unachtsamen,
(ii) er schützt den Wohlstand des Unachtsamen,
(iii) er wird zur Zuflucht, wenn die Sangha in Gefahr ist,
(iv) wenn da eine Schuld entstanden ist, versorgt er mit dem Doppelten als benötigt.

(F) "Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemanden, als einen, der gleich ist, ob nun in Freude oder Schmerz, als ein wohlwollenden Freund, verstanden sehen:

(i) er legt seine Geheimnisse offen,
(ii) er hält die Geheimnisse des anderen bewahrt,
(iii) im Unglück läßt er die Sangha nicht im Stich,
(iv) selbst sein Leben er opfern würde.

(G) "Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemanden, als einen, der gute Ratschläge gibt, als ein wohlwollender Freund, verstanden sehen:

(i) einer, der die Sangha von ungeschickten Taten abhält,
(ii) einer, der zum Geschickten anregt,
(iii) einer, der sie aufklärt, was man nicht weiß,
(iv) einer, der den Pfad nach oben weist.

(H) "Auf vier Arten, Ehrw. Mitglieder der Sangha, sollte man jemanden, als einen, der nachempfinden kann, als ein wohlwollender Freund, verstanden sehen:

(i) er erfreut sich nicht an der Sanghas Nachteil,
(ii) er erfreut sich an deren Erfolg,
(iii) er hält andere ab schlecht über die Sangha zu sprechen,
(iv) er würdigt jene, die Gutes über die Sangha erzählen."


Hingegeben habend, die Noble Mitglieder der Sangha im Geist, sich dessen als Zuflucht genommen, nichts mag solch eine Person erschüttern, von den Devas und der Güte der Väter und Noblen beschützt, strahlend eines Gebers der Unterstützung zum Todlosen Herz, für Befreiung abgesehen.

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Moritz

October 22, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
May Bhante have a peaceful evening/night.
_/\_
 

Johann

October 22, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Nyom Moritz
 

Moritz

October 22, 2018, 05:48:48 PM
Vandami Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

October 22, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.

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