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Like when enter or join, a shrine, another's sphere, or back: good for greating, bye, veneration, short talks, quick help. Some infos on regards .


2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Dhammañāṇa:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Dhammañāṇa: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Dhammañāṇa: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
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[ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« on: April 17, 2018, 09:41:05 PM »
My person is not sure if such would be a possible solution to make the share of merits more accessible: today came across "dokuwiki ", which for my person limited understanding looks simple and very accessible for multiple users and multiple languages and seems to be more independent from such as usual databases. If right, in this case, there would be also a SMF plugin, if such would be useful.

So my person carefully asked the developer, Mr. Andreas Gohr, if the use of his general gift is welcome and possible for ZzE, it's user and purpose. Not sure if such an unusual approach might be answered.

Also not sure if it might match certain "requirements" such as "pages visible only to certain groups" (as for CSCD for example) or how things like "how to get the datas into such a wiki", style, doc-info, khmer-font... instalation, ... file-structur...

Just thought to make it to a topic and leave it up to ideas and inspirations as they might arise.

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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 07:07:11 PM »
Mr. Andreas Gohr, surely very busy, (surely thinking "what a strangers approach ...") generously gave even an answer via email, making his joy clear, that anybody feeling "having joy" in make use of it, may do so and enjoy it's use.

Sadhu!

My person has of course no idea how much program maintenance (updates, re-coding...), it would require, but it might be a possibility to make giving and sharing, dedicated for the Sangha of the eight directions, and it's follower, easier.

What does Nyom Moritz think?

Also, of course Nyom Danilo , and all the many others?

If certain permission things could be made in regard of public and certain user visibility, the Sanghas CSCD copy could be also complete added as root. Build up on accesstoinsight.eu "anew".

Possibility of giving, if standard and structure is good considered, accessible for many without any special IT-knowledge necessary.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 04:42:34 AM »
Mr. Andreas Gohr, surely very busy, (surely thinking "what a strangers approach ...") generously gave even an answer via email, making his joy clear, that anybody feeling "having joy" in make use of it, may do so and enjoy it's use.

Sadhu!

Sadhu!

My person has of course no idea how much program maintenance (updates, re-coding...), it would require, but it might be a possibility to make giving and sharing, dedicated for the Sangha of the eight directions, and it's follower, easier.

What does Nyom Moritz think?
It looks very useful.
It might even be practical to maintain ZzE as a Wiki with this as well. It is possible, apparently, to use this SMF forum for login authentication , and to set access rights for groups and users , and if I understand correctly there are possibilities to define own styles and tags as well , but not sure how much.

Of course it would probably require a good amount of time. Maybe I could look into it on the weekend.

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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 08:30:17 AM »
I've taken a quick look. Yes, apparently doesn't require technical knowledge to work on it.
I might have a better overview when I take the time to read the manual hereafter.

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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2018, 11:32:27 PM »
I don't know what to do with the DokuWiki right now and don't really have free time now to think about it yet.
I am uploading the DokuWiki package at the moment on the ZzE server to set it up later.
The uploading will take some time and then one has to run some install script and set up some database etc.
I am postponing that to "later".

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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 07:05:59 PM »
Sadhu Nyom Moritz , and nothing to worry, nothing that requires to causes stress and not just joy.

* Johann : Just for possible general support: It's always good, if wishing to sacrifices something, to think "just" on the part able for now. Prepear, place, dedicate and give proper, so that it can be used as it is further and then rejoice at it. Later one might feel the wish to do this or that, continue. In this way one can "tick off" an action each time, recoice with it, and keeps ones ways open, is not troubled to possible have a duty out of giving. It's of course somehow noble to wish to cause this or that come into being, but such often leads to unwholesome states and actions. It's good to trace the freedom within it, and how freedom of choice is different of wish. To sustain a line of choices requires steady paccaya (time, skill, material things...). Paccaya, is also the usually word for money, if speaking "polite" in monastic areas... But actually it can be always compaired with that. If having the wish to give something worthy $1000 and having now $5. If thinking "oh, I will collect all before, and then give" it might be the case that this and that comes in between and after what ever long time, the sometimes collected is again gone into this and that. If on the other side, one put the 5 out of range but still holding on it, or do not proper give, it might lay just there where it has been put, end if not just gone, the housekeeper might pick it up. But if just done that much, with joy given "may it be for this and that come to be". This deed is done. Nothing can make a full acting undone. And tomorrow, who knows, but it's perfection for this part ripes. Hope, better trust that this was a useful help and if not possible misunderstood as another "I need to do..." but simply "I can" and it makes joy. Vipassana-practice, actually. As for skillful mindstates (not to mix with desire toward and object outward), the Buddha said, never ever delay actions on it. So it should be also not misunderstood as pacification "don't worry, merits can be made if old". Maybe, and it's actually a general advice, not on this case or for this here, this advices help a little , when it is a good time to put into something and make merits.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 04:26:31 PM »
Atma has asked his nephew, Nyom Harald , if he would like to do and give here something, remembering that he started to learn a skill in this sphere. Of course it's not sure if he will feel inspired since not familar with the object and ways around it at all.

How ever, Atma told him that Nyom Moritz might be the person in for what ever technical issues and accesses and that Nyom Sophorn is the giver and owner of the possibilities here. Just that you are also informed in the case Nyom Harald might approach and that you knoew that certain things might seem alien to him.

But over all, nothing to feel urged or asked to by this.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2018, 06:51:36 PM »
Nyom Harald replied kindly, but in regard of this here and unknown spheres, it seems that being busy might not allow him to get much into the topic. Just to inform.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 04:21:51 AM »
Looks similar for me at the moment.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2018, 10:08:34 AM »
Does Nyom Moritz think my person would be able to install and configure it with his given means? Time, willing to sacrifice, shoudn't be a problem.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2018, 12:48:32 PM »
Ich weiß es nicht. Das Grundpaket ist installiert.
Aber was man nun damit machen und wie man alles einrichtet, überblicke ich bisher noch nicht.

Das Wiki ist momentan zu erreichen unter zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki . (Weiterleitung von accesstoinsight.eu im Moment keine, weil 'accesstoinsight.eu' ins Unterverzeichnis 'zugangzureinsicht.org/html' weiterleitet; kann man aber alles leicht woanders hin schieben).

Ich habe noch nicht verstanden, wie man die Benutzerdatenbank von SMF zur Anmeldung benutzt.
Es gibt zunächst erst mal ein Admin-Konto, das nicht mit der SMF-Datenbank verknüpft ist. Namen und Passwort habe ich Ihnen per E-Mail geschickt.

Habe gerade ein Backup vom aktuellen Zustand gemacht und bei mir gespeichert. Also kann man alles mal ausprobieren und braucht keine Angst zu haben, etwas kaputt zu machen.

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I don't know. Basic package is installed.
But I don't have a good overview yet about what can be done with it and how to configure everything.

The wiki is reachable under zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki . (At the moment no redirection from 'accesstoinsight.eu', because 'accesstoinsight.eu' redirects to the subdirectory 'zugangzureinsicht.org/html'; but that can all be easily moved around.)

I have not yet understood how to set up DokuWiki to use the SMF user database for login authentication.
For now, there is one admin account, not linked to the SMF database. I have sent user name and password to you by email.

I have made a backup of the current state and saved it here locally on my computer. So one can try out everything without worrying about breaking things.

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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2018, 03:17:17 PM »
Sadhu!

Atma wird sich das Umleitungsfile ansehen und versuchen accesstoinsight.eu frei zu bekommen, ohne irgendwo tote Links durch fehlendes redirect zu machen, daß wenn möglich Verzeichnisse wie "wiki" wegfallen und ati.eu direkt als Wurzel dienen kann, wenn es dokuwiki erlaubt. Und Atma wird etwas erforschen, wie am besten einen Verzeichnisbaum aufzubauen, und, und und.

Mag Nyom Moritz ja keine Zeit, notwendig für Lebensunterhalt und Verpflichtungsminimierung da opfern.
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2018, 06:19:39 PM »
Nyom Danilo , Atma has set an Admin account for Nyom.

My person set also an own so that user Admin stays free for Nyom Moritz.

Currently trying to figure out how to set up a structure, but not even came as far as how to create a page. Lets see. Maybe missing the side bar or certain commands. (since not sure if a all time side bar is that nice)

ok... just using new id in url and then one can create  ^-^

- root/

containing general info pages, similar to zze

- root/tipitaka
- root/library
...

not sure about language, script and author hierarchy for now. As for the root for tipitaka the various CSCD pali text would be good to use (visible just for certain groups, like given by vipassana institute)

Much joy be exploring
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2018, 07:07:56 PM »
My person has chanced htaccess of ati.eu


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Redirect /html/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/
Redirect /lib/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/
Redirect /ptf/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/pft/
Redirect /tipitaka/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/

this should match 99% of existing links and the ati.eu and its root should be free (aside of this four directories)
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Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2018, 08:52:38 AM »
Times ago, in regard of login, Atma had seen about a bridge .

If at least necessary or leaving login, creating account or edits even without open... my person does not know which is easier and better.

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