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Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« on: May 30, 2018, 06:19:11 AM »

My person has been given audio files of reading the eternal Tipitaka in Khmer language, a while agp, as gift dedicated for the Sangha.

Those files, 110 mp3, each about 100MB, are not uplaoded and made accessable for the Sangha and their follower, since it would require about 10-15GB Webspace. My person is not able to estimate the traffic.

Given lasting space might be about 1-2GB.

Althought this files appear sometimes on certain google or other commercial hoster in exchange, appear but also disappear on Dana-fondraising pages without any body taking care by his/her effort and means (when no material backward arises), it would be good if there would be a real given possibility to share, one which would not increae bounds and debt to the world and is remorseless avaliable for those headed and inclined toward liberation.

Since many Cambodians are not very educated in such as reading and older age gives additional hindrences, but also because writing and reading are not really the primarily means of transfer of the Dhamma traditional, access, especially for the elders is a real gift of Dhamma.
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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2018, 08:16:07 AM »
My person currently converts the audios into amr format, which reduces of course the quality a little but also 50% of needed webspace and traffic.

Since space is now generously avaliabe, would it be proper to upload them on ati.eu as media-files under http://accesstoinsight.eu/doku.php?id=km:tipitaka:audiobooks: , Nyom Moritz ? It would require about 5GB space.
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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2018, 04:19:22 PM »
Vandami Bhante, _/\_

would it be proper to upload them on ati.eu as media-files under http://accesstoinsight.eu/doku.php?id=km:tipitaka:audiobooks: , Nyom Moritz ? It would require about 5GB space.

Of course, whatever is most useful for the Sangha. What should I have to say in this?

Do you think that the reduced quality in .amr format is good enough? I think the loss in quality could be quite noticable and it might be more difficult to understand, especially for older people with hearing problems, or foreigners not been raised in the language. Also I'm not sure how common it is to have the right codecs installed for .amr nowadays. People might not find it as easily accessible as mp3.

I think it would be better to just keep the original mp3 quality. Adding another 10 GB of space should not be a problem. (I was not aware of this when asking for another package of server space. But enough funds should already be available to add yet another one.)

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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2018, 06:41:36 PM »
Understandable, Nyom Moritz .

"What should I have to say in this?" nice no idea about technical things and not able to maintain space, this question fits fine for my person.

Actually the quality of the "orig" mp3 is not that special and listing into the different most of the lower sound disappears. But since the speaker are mainly female, there is not much of loss (missing the bass)

amr is a topic. What would the sample rate, bit rate require to be able to reduce 50% space?

One file now = one book, about 100MB, 10h, Mode CBR, Audio bitrate 128kb, sample rate 44100Hz

What if leaving mp3 or other popular format and reduce bit and auto rate?

Since download is slow here, good monk, older people, wouldn't have planty of mobil credit, memorycards are seldom...

Reducing size, also in regard of traffic, would probably better. It's just the google world that let believe traffic and space is free (now only 1 google sever needs the energy equal a city).

Also, such as computer is broad not used but it's an i-pad and android dominance

My person attached a short sample

jpg 8000hz -25% bad sound

amr -50% nearly same sound
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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2018, 09:51:02 PM »
 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Karuna tvay bongkum,
Dear Moritz,

Indeed, there is not much difference in the various formats after having listened to it.

However, it is really only a feedback, since technically no clue.

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2018, 12:27:03 AM »
Vandami, Bhante _/\_

thanks for the samples.

Indeed, there is not much difference in the various formats after having listened to it.

It seems to me the .amr is better at this level of compression, with less "compression artifact noise", probably because it is specialized for spoken human voice audio.

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One file now = one book, about 100MB, 10h, Mode CBR, Audio bitrate 128kb, sample rate 44100Hz

The attached original file here has actually only a sample rate of 22kHz, and bitrate of 24 kBit/second (in mono: one channel). This would also fit the 100MB for 10 hours:

100MB/10h = 102400kB/36000s = 819200kBit/36000s ~= 23 kBit/s

So I assume the original files all have 22kHz sample rate, one audio channel (mono), and 24kBit/second final compressed bit rate.

If wanting to reduce the size further, at this level of compression, it seems that .amr would then be the better choice.


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What would the sample rate, bit rate require to be able to reduce 50% space?
The bitrate is what determines the final size, independent of what kind of original audio data (sample rate, how many channels...) it is that one wants to compress.

So if the original audio here has 24kBit/second and we want to reduce its size in half, we need a bitrate of 12kBit/second for the result.

For MP3, only 8kBit/s steps are possible for the bitrate setting. So one could choose 8kBit/s (33% of original size) or 16kBit/s (66% of original size, just as the example .mp3 file here) - or variable bitrate (switching from 8kBits to 16kBit/s, sample by sample).

12kBit/s is the value of the highest quality possible for .amr files, just as the example attached here.

At this compression rate, I think .amr is better than .mp3 in quality for speech recordings. I thought the original mp3s might be in better quality, so that reducing to .amr would be a bigger step in losing quality.

But one could possibly reduce the background static (Hintergrundrauschen) before converting to .amr (sample attached).

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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2018, 12:35:38 AM »
But one could possibly reduce the background static (Hintergrundrauschen) before converting to .amr (sample attached).

_/\_

But not sure if that would be a great improvement and help make it easier to understand what is spoken, or if possibly even something could get lost while cutting of "noise".

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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2018, 07:17:41 PM »
Sadhu for all the zuvorkommenden thought. My Person thinks, that large soundtechnical improvements need a lot of time and effort, remembering some 12 or more years back, something in the area of 1 to to times of the playtime and we talk about more then 1200h !

Wenn ever possible: my person will try to make the Spaceabount a half and then but it into the mediasection. There is the no limitation of what ever one may feel inspired to give.
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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2018, 09:32:11 PM »
Sadhu for all the zuvorkommenden thought. My Person thinks, that large soundtechnical improvements need a lot of time and effort, remembering some 12 or more years back, something in the area of 1 to to times of the playtime and we talk about more then 1200h !

Wenn ever possible: my person will try to make the Spaceabount a half and then but it into the mediasection. There is the no limitation of what ever one may feel inspired to give.

If wanting to upload Tipitaka audio, there is 20 GB of space available now at test.accesstoinsight.eu. Upload is possible at test.accesstoinsight.eu/files . Not connected to the DokuWiki or anything else for now, but just a simple interface to upload, and easy for me to move it from there everywhere else, convert it, improve it, etc. (No upload by FTP as usual, because it is not hosted at Greensta.)
So Bhante, if you want, you could simply upload there and I could do the rest. If thinking that reducing size to 50% by converting to .amr is good, this could be quickly done herehalf-automatically by me. But there would also be enough space still to keep the unconverted original beside it and try some other conversions.
For now, the files uploaded there are not publically visible and there is password protection to get to the upload interface.
I will send the password by SMS later.

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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2018, 01:50:39 AM »
Sadhu

Converting by my person would take about a month. If upload is possible there, it might be much faster, depending on the Devas .

How would it work? Is it to connect via explore as a network having the access datas?

Or maybe even more easier, Nyom could ask Nyom Norum as she might have a copy, even better copy.
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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2018, 02:36:12 AM »
Practical report: Upload via media manager (http://accesstoinsight.eu/doku.php?id=km:tipitaka:audiobooks&do=media&ns=km%3Atipitaka) would not work since amr is not supported.

If uploading a file via ftp or copy others as the supported file, they would be linked just as normal link (speak no player or display with extention icon).

My person will try to upload book 1 as jep and amr in the mediafolder corresponding to ថត សម្លេង ព្រះត្រៃបិដកភាសាខ្មែរ .

Media manage (or better the syntax tools for display) seem to have troubles with khmer front, of cause it easer to name files only in latin scripst, as Moritz thought, there might be may other places where the cases might make troubles.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2018, 03:57:49 AM »
Practical report: Upload via media manager (http://accesstoinsight.eu/doku.php?id=km:tipitaka:audiobooks&do=media&ns=km%3Atipitaka) would not work since amr is not supported.

If uploading a file via ftp or copy others as the supported file, they would be linked just as normal link (speak no player or display with extention icon).
Oh yes, that is because .amr is not supported inside standard HTML5 browser player. (Maybe this would change some day with the next standard.)

For .amr to be playable inside the browser one would need to have an own .amr player integrated somehow, as Adobe Flash, Java Applet or similar stuff. I have not found such an applet yet. And use of such techniques are not really common anymore and not well and universally supported. Most things nowadays are simply done with standard HTML5 and JavaScript. But HTML5 does not (yet) support .amr audio.
Another advantage maybe for .mp3.

Actually, there is plenty space available now. It is just not yet well arranged. Apart from the Greensta space there are 20 GB at test.accesstoinsight.eu, hosted at Gandi.net.

I have just sent the password for the upload interface at test.accesstoinsight.eu/files in an SMS. So Bhante could upload everything unconverted there if you want.

I could convert everything to .amr or .mp3 with less quality to accesstoinsight.eu.

Actually the sample Bhante gave of trying to convert to mp3 of lower quality was not the best one. The original file was mono and the converted (lower quality) file was stereo. So it had double the size as necessary for this quality, using two audio channels carrying the same signal.
Also, from what I've tried, keeping 22.05kHz sample rate (while still keeping the same compression rate) sounds better than lowering to 8000 Hz.

But still I think no more than 30% size reduction would be good for .mp3. Anything lower is not good.
.amr is better at this compression rate, being specialized for voice audio. I think the 30% reduced .mp3 sample I have here actually sounds very similar in quality to the .amr.

(File attached, 'mp3-noisereduced-16.mp3', compared with previous 'noisereduced.amr' file, I think the quality is nearly equal. There is also another file attached: 'mp3-noisereduced-24.mp3' is the same file size as the original mp3, but sounds clearer after reducing background-noise.)

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My person will try to upload book 1 as jep and amr in the mediafolder corresponding to ថត សម្លេង ព្រះត្រៃបិដកភាសាខ្មែរ .

I think it would be good to upload anything not-yet-converted to test.accesstoinsight.eu. I could convert everything from there and also apply noise reduction, and then upload to accesstoinsight.eu.

Regarding this new domain: The webspace is hosted on Gandi.net, which I had registered some time ago, without any intention to do anything with it, and I have no other use for it now.

Actually there would be enough space to host them in original quality (maybe improved with noise reduction). It is only not yet well organized.

The domain is named test.accesstoinsight.eu, but it could also be named to everything else, like media.sangham.net. The actual name is "moralhighground.org", and test.accesstoinsight.eu is now pointing to that. (I just wanted to test out how this works for now.)

At the moment I only thought of it as an easy way to upload files in full quality to a place where I could download and convert them from.
I could also make the list of downloads there not password protected (and only the upload). It was just a quicker and simpler to do it this way now.

I actually I registered it some months ago with no intention to do anything specific with it, but with a thought that maybe if at some point, if something might be needed which is not available at Greensta, this could be useful for things around sangham.net as well.
It is a very different kind of server, running Node.js instead of PHP. So there are different tools available which could be helpful for some other things.
May the Sangha make use of it for whatever useful purpose.

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Media manage (or better the syntax tools for display) seem to have troubles with khmer front, of cause it easer to name files only in latin scripst, as Moritz thought, there might be may other places where the cases might make troubles.
Good to know.

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Re: Hosting for Khmer Tipitaka - Audio
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2018, 09:06:29 AM »
Sadhu

(just to inform, sms has not been delivered yet, but it happens that such may arrive also days later, with global aramika or admin permissions, he might be able to send a PM with the current settings, to use it just for uploading them, and return it in his guardiance for the Sangha, the key)

What ever Nyom likes to perform there with it, that he thinks that is good and allowed to take and use, he may do.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2018, 06:20:10 PM »
(just to inform, sms has not been delivered yet, but it happens that such may arrive also days later, with global aramika or admin permissions, he might be able to send a PM with the current settings, to use it just for uploading them, and return it in his guardiance for the Sangha, the key)

PM has been sent. Hope this is working.

The interface is very simple. It is possible to select multiple files for upload (simply select all files wished when the upload dialog opens). But I just noticed this might not really work on mobile. Or at least I don't understand how to do this on the android phone here.

List of uploaded files should show number of files at the top, number of new files added while having the site opened, and number of files overwritten (re-uploaded).

In the list of uploaded files (the bottom part), newly uploaded files are marked green, overwritten files are marked as blue. Clicking on a file in the list should download it.

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2018, 06:28:57 PM »
Sadhu. Let's see if the Air-Devas will support it well with sun shine and best Air for highspeed upload, Nyom Moritz.
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Roman

July 22, 2018, 08:01:16 PM
Danke für die Infos
und eine friedliche Nacht
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 06:27:44 PM
Atma, zieht sich nun zurück, wieder spät geworden, Nyom. Ruhe Freude und Geduld beim ungestörten Erkunden und Gelegenheiten, Gegeben-heiten, nutzen.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:13:38 PM
Atma wird das Gespräch nun versuchen in Passendes Thema im Forum zu kopieren.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:12:06 PM
In Sorge Unmut ob der Situation, gänzlich anders Vorgestellt,  zu mehren, hatte Johann nicht nach Marcel gefragt. Doch hätte er, würde er er erwähnen, wenn da dringliches und triftige Sorge um Marcel wäre. Gute Übung und Lehre, alles in allem, für viele, wenn danach ausgerichtet. Also einfach
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
Bhante Indannano, Johann angerufen habend, kurz, vor Tagen, unterrichtet geworden das Johann am Weg in die Hauptstadt sein, hatte sich sehr zurückhaltend und kurz gehalten. Wohl nicht mit den weltlichen Hindernissen all zu Erfreut und noch ungelößt.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:03:21 PM
Im Verwenden des Forums, überall, keine Sorge irgendwo was Falsch zu machen, ist es Stressfreier und Langlebiger, auch für andere, als Geschenk, Nyom Roman. Woimmer.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Nyom kam Nyom als "füherer Elternteil/Verwandter" betrachten. Hie etwas Technischer: ញោម "Nyom", ñoma - Ursprung bzw. Bedeutung
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:56:10 PM
Wenn Sie sich freimachen können, besuchen Sie ihn, und machen Sie Entdeckungsreise in unbekannter Welt, während ihm vielleich Weltliches abnehmen könnend.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:53:55 PM
mit Freude tun oder Geben mag, wo immer, ist vorallem für Roman glücksverheißend, neben Moraluscher Stange zum Glück für ihn haltend.
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
Mag er sicher Abstand von Unsicherm Gewinnen. Was immer Roman sich inspiriet fühlt, geschicktes, niemanden Verletzendes zu geben, zu tun, gar vielleicht mehr an jemand erhabener als "nur" eigener Bruder denkend,

Roman

July 22, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
  Und was bedeutet Nyom...Ich habe versucht zu übersetzen.  Jedoch weiß ich nicht ob der Bezug richtig ist
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:48:39 PM
Johann hat ihn schon länger nicht persönlich getroffen, ob in Buchstaben, am Ohr oder mit mehr Sinnen. Gestern war er wohl online hier. Denke er ist sehr vertieft in der Praxis und hat eigentlich wenig Interesse sich um Äußerses zu kümmern.

Roman

July 22, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Beim lesen von den Beiträgen fällt es mir noch bißchen schwer alles zu verstehen...Ich frage mich gerade wer Atma ist..Und moritz bist du für die Internetseite zuständig?  

Roman

July 22, 2018, 02:43:49 PM
Hallo,

Ich lese viel hier und wollte mich mal erkundigen wie es mit Marcel so steht..Hatte letzte Woche mit ihm gesprochen und es geht ihm gut! Hatte Johann geschrieben wie ich helfen kann..
 

Johann

July 22, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Sophorn

July 20, 2018, 05:09:54 AM
Sadhu. Möge es ein verdienstvolller Tag sein!
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

July 20, 2018, 03:06:04 AM
Allen einen verdienstvollen Silatag, der letzte vor dem Antritt der Regenrückzugszeit.
 

Sophorn

July 14, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
Karuna tvay bongkum Bhante
 :-*  :-* :-*
 

Sophorn

July 14, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
 :)  ;) Moritz, gut einfühlbar. In Österreich lebte der Körper nach der asiatischen Uhr, hier in N nach der österreichischen Uhr.
Nicht zeitgerecht der Natur entsprechend zu leben, überfordert den Körper.  
Beste Grüße aus Kathmandu!  :-*
 

Johann

July 14, 2018, 11:06:18 AM
Sadhu, und vergesse Nyom sich nicht.
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 11:00:04 AM
Es wird spät in Hawaii. Einen friedlichen Tag allen. _/\_
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Ja, gestern Vormittag bis Nachmittag. Ich lebe wohl gerade ungefähr im Einklang mit der Zeitzone von Hawaii.
 

Johann

July 14, 2018, 07:36:45 AM
Nyom Moritz. Hat er auch ausreichend Schlaf genommen?
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
Good day, Bhante _/\_
 

Moritz

July 13, 2018, 05:58:06 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

July 13, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Moritz

July 13, 2018, 03:07:40 AM
Ach ja, hab nun geändert. Vielleicht klappt's nun beim nächsten probieren @Roman
_/\_
 

Johann

July 13, 2018, 02:21:56 AM
Vielleicht gut wenn Meister Moritz Nyom Roman die 5 Mühsam-Beitagszahl hineinzaubert, da dann spamschutz wegfällt und er zu den unöffentlichen Foren Zugang hat.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Hier eine kurze Bild-Erklärung zum Beantworten von Themen und Beiträgen.
Wenn noch Probleme, gern weiter hier nachfragen. _/\_
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
Gut zu hören, dass der Bruder sich mitfreut. Sadhu! :)
Möge alles problemlos im Eintritt in das neue Leben für ihn laufen. _/\_

Roman

July 12, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
Danke moritz

Ich werde es ausprobieren!!

Aufjedenfall war es eine sehr erfreuliche Nachricht! ! Ich bin sehr stolz auf marcel!! Mein herz geht auf!! Wunderschön!
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
(Also auch auf der neuen Seite, wo dann das Text-Eingabefeld ist: Das Text-Eingabefeld ist nicht gleich im Fokus, sondern man muss erst ein gutes Stück nach unten scrollen, um es zu finden.)
Nicht sicher gerade, wie es auf Smartphone aussieht, ob da viel anders ist.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:56:57 PM
Wenn man ganz unten ans Ende der letzten Nachricht scrollt, sollte da ein Button "Reply" oder "Antworten" sein. (Je nach eingestellter Sprache vielleicht.) Da drauf klicken. Dann sollte auf der nächsten Seite eine Texteingabe-Ansicht erscheinen. Zu der muss man aber erst ein Stück runter scrollen.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Oh, die Nachricht wurde abgeschnitten. Hier in der Shoutbox sind nur ein paar hundert Zeichen möglich.
Ja, das Forum ist etwas unübersichtlich am Anfang. Moment, ich versuche mal, zu erklären. :)

Roman

July 12, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
Hallo

Ich lese sehr viel hier!! Es ist sehr interessant!! Die Menge an Infos! ! Sehr toll!!..Ich habe versucht auf den Beitrag zu reagieren der die Entwicklung von nyom marcel beschreibt..glaube von Johann verfasst. Jedoch weiß ich noch nicht genau wie dieses funktioniert.
Ich habe die Nachric
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:34:57 PM
Hallo Roman, Binocular/Visitor _/\_
 

Johann

July 12, 2018, 02:08:25 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Johann

July 11, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
Ohh... es ist woeder mal 3 geworden. Atma erlaubt sich, sich zurückzuziehen und sich etwas um die Malaria zu kümmern.
 

Johann

July 11, 2018, 07:20:56 PM
Sadhu zu Ersten Ausruf/ Aufruf. Sadhu zum zweiten, zu Vorbildhaftigkeit, und mag er sich stets entlassen fühlen
 

Moritz

July 11, 2018, 07:00:07 PM
Chom reap leah, Bhante _/\_
Nun wirklich weg hier für heute, Arbeit ruft.
 

Moritz

July 11, 2018, 05:43:01 PM
Allen gute Besinnung auf was besinnenswert ([1] | [2] ) ist wünschend _/\_
 

Sophorn

July 08, 2018, 09:33:25 AM
Karuna tvay bongkum Bhante :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

July 08, 2018, 09:28:47 AM
Nyom Sophorn
 

Danilo

July 08, 2018, 12:20:06 AM
Bhante and Moritz _/\_
 

Johann

July 08, 2018, 12:16:49 AM
Moritz, Danilo
 

Moritz

July 08, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
Good evening, morning or whatever the time here and there. _/\_
 

Johann

July 02, 2018, 04:20:58 PM
Meister Moritz
 

Moritz

July 02, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_
 

Marcel

July 02, 2018, 02:36:37 PM
  :-* Hallo Moritz
 

Moritz

July 02, 2018, 02:33:25 PM
Hallo, Marcel, Sophorn. _/\_

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