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"give a man a fish..."
« on: June 08, 2018, 08:51:32 AM »

A popular proverb under "feel good"-people, most popular in Christian culture:

"give a man a fish, feed him for one day; teach a man to fish, feed him for life."


Old culture is/was wiser and more concerning, since if teaching a person without virtue how to catch fishes, he will, like the foolish giver came to his wealth catch off everything till his merits and his world is empty of everything.

Greedy and foolish those "good-people" are, not only to this extend, they would not even give for free, but bind others by giving in a lend as a loan. As it is with sacrifices toward the low, it pull one down.

First no more capable of knowing the proper place for sacrifices, later not even able to give at all, holding on terrible pride and desire for becoming.

Those are the worlds formost leaders, Zuckerberg and their small imitators... as you seeked for birth within Devadattas heritage you gained it in "Brahms" destiny.

so to extend it proper:

"give a man a fish, feed him for one day; teach a man to fish, feed him for life."

"having given at improper occation, sacrificed to the unvirtuose, having offended the wise:

What else as long time suffering could be the destination for those bind by an element together?

A fool gained skills, all he can do is destruct his old merits and goodness.

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Re: "give a man a fish..."
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 02:29:41 AM »
Politicans and chess player deal with slogans fools may eat to present them as "good people" and would not at all dare about the effects and who has to bear the pleasure of their stolen honor:

Just a sample of Zuckerberg-strategies an loan-charity impact, since you don't know the other side and the backdraws which will reach you and would just understand from "effectiv" side, the illusional "win-win" strategie which is actually, out of the eightfold path always best a patt:

Regarding Kiva, when I first learned about it (around 2012) I made some research and found that the money is apparently lend at interest rates as high as 35%.

That is predatory.

Here is an example of someone showing the other side of the coin:

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To begin with I don't trust Kiva because they go to great lengths to hide the fact that the borrowers are charged interest, and interest at high rates, on the money lent. The rates charged on the money lent is not listed anywhere on the site, and you have to dig into their "what is microfinance" FAQ to get the following bit of neoliberal nonsense.

What Kiva ignores, and frankly I think this is powerfully deceitful, is that 1: the money is being originated for free through charitable lenders and paypal so there are no costs for the money. 2: the risk of default is born by the charitalbe lender, so there is no cost for default. Therefore the only costs are transaction costs, the money that kiva employees and their partners draw. In otherwords the overhead. As a charitable organization, they should not be passing their overhead on to the people they are helping at usurious rates upwards of 36%, which is the only number I could find on the site.

Why I don't trust Kiva (loan)

One incapable of giving, greedy, stingy and after control, without faith, without wisdom, without noble prinziples, of where and what could he ever rejoice?

Caught in the suffering of Danawheel, not knowing the meaning of giving, not knowing where long lasting fruits are gained...

Actually in this case about 30-50 thousand dollar more deprived from poor, taking from more poor to fulfill their obligation toward the "good-people"...

In this way the poor in virtues are bound to each other, sometimes loan giver, most of the time loan taker.

And this is why the first help for outwardly poor is to give them the possibilities to make merits, to sacrifice, since this is the first cause for future welbeing.

That is why the foolish Brahmans have been rejected by the Buddha as they rebuked the monks for going for Alms under the poor.

Nobody falls into poorness by giving alms. Only own failing in managing business makes people, aside of lack of virtue and prinziples, lack of generosity poor.
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ich gehe jetzt wieder an die Arbeit. ich wünsche allen einen friedevollen Tag!
 

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ich würde mich sehr freuen dass mal mit eigenen augen zu sehen..habe auch geplant nächstes Jahr nach Kambodscha zu kommen.
 

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Kuna Prah Ang,
As I kuna knowing that Prah Ang Khemareakuma
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This Saturday or Sunday I kuna would join the Kathin there, but now I kuna will send some about Bhante Khemareakuma via FB Prah Ang Sreng.
 

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Nyom Roman, Nyom Villa asked if she can help in something in regard of Bhante. Best when you talk in a new topic.
 

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Nyom Roman , Bhantes twin brother and his family asked how Bhante is. They miss him much and Bhante praisworthy focus on practice.
 

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Does Nyom Villa know Bhante Khemakumaras twin brother?
 

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November 14, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
Eine Reihe der neuen Mitglieder hier, Nyom Villa, Puthy... sind öfter in Kontakt und in den Klöstern Ayum und in Phnom Penh. Mag sein, daß jemand von den Upasikas kürzlich Kontakt hatte. Gut auch wenn Nyom guten Kontakt zu anderen Laien vor Ort Pflegt, hallo sagt...
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
ich danke ihnen Johann und Motiz für die informationen und unterstützung.
 ich muss  jetzt weiter. ich  wünsche allen einen friedevolle tag
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Ein paar generelle und erklärende Worte zum Thema Unterstützen hier: If willing to help the child, the "poor" the new, give to it's master, father!

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