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Offline Johann

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"give a man a fish..."
« on: June 08, 2018, 08:51:32 AM »

A popular proverb under "feel good"-people, most popular in Christian culture:

"give a man a fish, feed him for one day; teach a man to fish, feed him for life."


Old culture is/was wiser and more concerning, since if teaching a person without virtue how to catch fishes, he will, like the foolish giver came to his wealth catch off everything till his merits and his world is empty of everything.

Greedy and foolish those "good-people" are, not only to this extend, they would not even give for free, but bind others by giving in a lend as a loan. As it is with sacrifices toward the low, it pull one down.

First no more capable of knowing the proper place for sacrifices, later not even able to give at all, holding on terrible pride and desire for becoming.

Those are the worlds formost leaders, Zuckerberg and their small imitators... as you seeked for birth within Devadattas heritage you gained it in "Brahms" destiny.

so to extend it proper:

"give a man a fish, feed him for one day; teach a man to fish, feed him for life."

"having given at improper occation, sacrificed to the unvirtuose, having offended the wise:

What else as long time suffering could be the destination for those bind by an element together?

A fool gained skills, all he can do is destruct his old merits and goodness.

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Re: "give a man a fish..."
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 02:29:41 AM »
Politicans and chess player deal with slogans fools may eat to present them as "good people" and would not at all dare about the effects and who has to bear the pleasure of their stolen honor:

Just a sample of Zuckerberg-strategies an loan-charity impact, since you don't know the other side and the backdraws which will reach you and would just understand from "effectiv" side, the illusional "win-win" strategie which is actually, out of the eightfold path always best a patt:

Regarding Kiva, when I first learned about it (around 2012) I made some research and found that the money is apparently lend at interest rates as high as 35%.

That is predatory.

Here is an example of someone showing the other side of the coin:

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To begin with I don't trust Kiva because they go to great lengths to hide the fact that the borrowers are charged interest, and interest at high rates, on the money lent. The rates charged on the money lent is not listed anywhere on the site, and you have to dig into their "what is microfinance" FAQ to get the following bit of neoliberal nonsense.

What Kiva ignores, and frankly I think this is powerfully deceitful, is that 1: the money is being originated for free through charitable lenders and paypal so there are no costs for the money. 2: the risk of default is born by the charitalbe lender, so there is no cost for default. Therefore the only costs are transaction costs, the money that kiva employees and their partners draw. In otherwords the overhead. As a charitable organization, they should not be passing their overhead on to the people they are helping at usurious rates upwards of 36%, which is the only number I could find on the site.

Why I don't trust Kiva (loan)

One incapable of giving, greedy, stingy and after control, without faith, without wisdom, without noble prinziples, of where and what could he ever rejoice?

Caught in the suffering of Danawheel, not knowing the meaning of giving, not knowing where long lasting fruits are gained...

Actually in this case about 30-50 thousand dollar more deprived from poor, taking from more poor to fulfill their obligation toward the "good-people"...

In this way the poor in virtues are bound to each other, sometimes loan giver, most of the time loan taker.

And this is why the first help for outwardly poor is to give them the possibilities to make merits, to sacrifice, since this is the first cause for future welbeing.

That is why the foolish Brahmans have been rejected by the Buddha as they rebuked the monks for going for Alms under the poor.

Nobody falls into poorness by giving alms. Only own failing in managing business makes people, aside of lack of virtue and prinziples, lack of generosity poor.
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Bhante johann, hier ist alles bestens!  Bis brauche ich nichts! Wenn bhante indannano Vorort, hat er immer ein offenes ohr für marcel :-* :-* :-*
 

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June 24, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
Alles bestens? Fehlt Nyom Marcel etwas? Gut eingelebt? Hat Bhante genug Möglichkeiten für Zeit für Nyom?
 

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June 24, 2018, 01:32:05 PM
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June 24, 2018, 11:46:14 AM
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June 24, 2018, 07:20:42 AM
Meister Moritz
 

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June 24, 2018, 06:34:32 AM
Guten Morgen, Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

June 23, 2018, 06:17:20 AM
Moritz
 

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June 23, 2018, 05:03:03 AM
Good night _/\_
 

Johann

June 21, 2018, 01:52:05 AM
Sadhu!
 

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June 20, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Möge es ein verdienstvoller Uposatha für alle sein!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Marcel

June 19, 2018, 07:41:34 AM
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Bhante Johann, ich habe die Daten für mein sangham email nicht!! Ich bitte Sie mir diese, aus Mitgefühl, zukommen zu lassen. :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

June 19, 2018, 07:09:43 AM
Hat Nyom Marcel, Khemakumara, noch PW für seine sangham email? Wenn nicht vergibt Atma neues und sendet es an die Adressen wie zuvor.
 

Johann

June 19, 2018, 07:00:27 AM
_/\_ Okasa Bhante, if Bhante likes to give a teaching in regard of Vandami, out of compassion, his merits would be joyful received.
 

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June 19, 2018, 06:55:59 AM
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Johann

June 19, 2018, 06:40:35 AM
_/\_ Bhante Indannano _/\_
 

Marcel

June 19, 2018, 02:48:19 AM
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Bhante Johann, i will let you all khnow when the final going forth has been requested :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

June 19, 2018, 02:39:20 AM
If Bhante has lost account and email settings, let it be known, that my person sends it to marcel@sangham.net
 

Johann

June 19, 2018, 02:37:20 AM
Let all know when the final going forth has been simply requested, simply received, to be able to rejoice with it.
 

Johann

June 19, 2018, 02:33:42 AM
Let all know when the final going forth has been simply requested, simply received, to be able to rejoice with it.
 

Johann

June 19, 2018, 02:31:03 AM
Nyom Marcel
 

Johann

June 17, 2018, 07:18:53 PM
Bestes Gelingen und Freude dabei.
 

Moritz

June 17, 2018, 05:19:19 PM
Ich verabschiede mich für heut, muss andere Arbeit tun. Einen schönen Sonntag.
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Johann

June 17, 2018, 02:30:10 PM
Mudita
 

Marcel

June 17, 2018, 02:19:16 PM
 :-* :-* :-* die Übung ist besser als im "alten haus"  Zuversicht, geduld und Respekt über den drei juwelen ist da!!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Marcel

June 17, 2018, 02:19:05 PM
 :-* :-* :-* die Übung ist besser als im "alten haus"  Zuversicht, geduld und Respekt über den drei juwelen ist da!!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Marcel

June 17, 2018, 02:19:02 PM
 :-* :-* :-* die Übung ist besser als im "alten haus"  Zuversicht, geduld und Respekt über den drei juwelen ist da!!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

June 17, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
Wie immer recht, Nyom. Wie stets mit der Übung und allem neu und unperfekt?
 

Marcel

June 17, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
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Marcel

June 17, 2018, 01:40:03 PM
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Der ehrwürdige bhante besitzt noch den pc ! Bhante idananno ist für 2 Tage nach phnom phen. Wenn bhante wieder. Da ist, werde ich ihn  fragen und mich darum kümmern dass bhante  einen Zugang zum onlinekloster bekommt!  :-* :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

June 17, 2018, 01:26:26 PM
Hat Bhante noch den alten PC und das USB modem? Wenn Nyom, nach fragen, seine Sim da reintut, kann er damit sangham.net erreichen. Atma Tel. Nr. 012 345 025 wenn Nyom etwas benötigt.
 

Marcel

June 17, 2018, 01:23:38 PM
Entwürdiger bhante Johann, alles fein hier! Ich kann nun, über mein altes Handy, auf das online-Kloster zugreifen!
 

Marcel

June 17, 2018, 01:22:11 PM
Entwürdiger bhante Johann, alles fein hier! Ich kann nun, über mein altes Handy, auf das online-Kloster zugreifen!
 

Johann

June 17, 2018, 01:15:07 PM
Nyom? Marcel? Alles fein?
 

Johann

June 17, 2018, 01:14:25 PM
Atma kann nicht slowenisch, nur etwas Windisch/Kärntnerisch.

Soviele Raunzwörter... nie über Segensausdrücke gestolpert.

Sokh chomreoun, Nyom.
 

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June 17, 2018, 10:15:01 AM
Pozdravljeni, Guest!
 

Johann

June 16, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
Sadhu, may Nyom nourish on and rejoice with the merits done and gain pleasant and insightful dwellings of access.
 

Moritz

June 16, 2018, 04:32:09 PM
Chom reap lea.
May Bhante have a good day.
_/\_
 

Johann

June 16, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Sokh chomreoun Nyom.

(May sukha (happiness) grow to its perfection, "previous father/relative")
 

Moritz

June 16, 2018, 09:38:06 AM
Vandami, Bhante.
Ich bin erst mal weg hier.
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Johann

June 12, 2018, 10:15:27 AM
Mag man sich, mag sich jeder, der Erinnerung an den Neumonduposatha, für geschicktes nutzen.

May everyone takes the New-moon Uposatha as a reminder for acting skilfully
 

Johann

June 06, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
Sadhu!
 

Sophorn

June 06, 2018, 03:02:27 AM
Einen verdienstvollen Uposatha heute  :-*
 

Johann

May 29, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
So der Tag mit Sonnenaufgang beginnt, ist selbt in Asien noch viel Gelegenheit dazu.
 

Sophorn

May 29, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
Möge heute ein verdienstvoller Tag gewesen sein!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

May 29, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
Sadhu!
 

Marcel

May 29, 2018, 11:37:19 AM
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mögen sie alle ein verdienstvollen uposatha haben!  :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

May 22, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
Sadhu!
 

Marcel

May 22, 2018, 09:37:30 AM
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einen verdienstvollen uposatha wünsche ich allen  :-* :-* :-*
 

Marcel

May 19, 2018, 03:07:57 PM
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ehrwürdiger bhante

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Johann

May 19, 2018, 03:05:38 PM
Nyom Marcel.

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