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Author Topic: (wrong) Engaged Buddhist Kulturstealing - Living in/on affliction by thief  (Read 2392 times)

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Quote from: Upasika Gabriella on DWE
Susan Scafidi, a Law Professor specifically says it is:

Taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions, or artifacts from someone else's culture without permission. This can include unauthorized use of another culture's dance, dress, music, language, folklore, cuisine, traditional medicine, religious symbols, etc. It's most likely to be harmful when the source community is a ​minority group that has been oppressed or exploited in other ways or when the object of appropriation is particularly sensitive, e.g. sacred objects.”


So it's essentially a violation of copyright or fraud in the guise of "borrowing".

If you take something and pass it off your own, it's stealing.

If you present something as authentic or real when it isn't, it's fraud.

People might make a stink about it if they don't like how it's dealing in inauthenticity, but if there is respect it wouldn't be an issue.

Sadhu! But let's ask law an Dhamma in regard of the issue if "stealing" such from a cultur-thief cultur? From people who are used to steal what ever culture to but on their lable.

"Living in/on affliction by thief"

Would to steal, immitate their ways somehow, like if copy and past here, be ok to point it out, giving an appreciation? Or is it in some cases not a stealing in either do not making it, or making it ones own?

Would it be ok to use an art and just put another lable on it, or a lable and put another art under it?

How is the minority-aspect to be seen, in regard of Buddhist, Dhamma? Could such possible require "harsh" steps to beware of wrong doing and association with thieves?

What about "pulling" a (worldly) culture liberation out of a worldly pseudo-liberation cultur? Would it be a thief?
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People at large, not only that they even killed as long history can be traced, are not even dare to kill father and mother, their siblings, to gain the heritage their desire, sell and exchange, use it for their improper desired gains.

And the fact, that since not having arrived at the Dhamma, one is capable for grave wrongdoings, actually cutting one off the heritage for a long long time, destinated in hell.

Althought people of integrity might appear among cultures of thieves from time to time, newer would they go into trade or associate with them.

In this way it's good to reflect all modern and western undertakings, from trade with Dhamma till National and Lay Union and lay leading approaches, of how the basic principes of not depriving from existance, not taking what is not given, not abuse, not speaking what is not true, and indoxicating with youth, health and live, without refuge harm themselves, the world at large and set a minority to leave this world.

That some would always forgive ones acts, a person of integrity, does not release one from effects of ones deeds. Thats an importand matter to think about, since many base their actions on the hope that fruits of actiins wilk not fall on them, that maybe a supernatural power will release them by just praying and begging. No one is capable to display mercy in regard of cause and effect, peoples strong condition causes and effects of their kamma.

Large thieves, introduced by outsiders and seperated monks and nuns, are today leaded by lay people with even lesser respect, missusing the sublime lables to do their trade and lead the cultural holocaust, with red flags, social and nationalistic painted, with their worldly means and education (propaganda).

"Susans beware of the devils"

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MN 97: Dhanañjani Sutta — To Dhanañjani  {M ii 184} [Thanissaro]. A poignant story of a lay person whose welfare was of special concern to Ven. Sariputta, this discourse teaches two lessons in heedfulness. (1) If you're engaging in wrong livelihood, don't expect to escape the karmic consequences even if you're doing it to fulfil your duties to your family, parents, or friends. (2) Don't be satisfied with mundane levels of attainment in meditation when there is still more to be done.
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Communist "Mohayana"-monks, althought they might perfectly missuse and steal from the Gems, althought they are praised by outsider and even if having ordained, are regarded as "Bhikkhus having gone over to other religions" and are outside the tradition of the Noble Ones.

How ever Bodhi and Brahm they might present themselves.

So be careful Susan, of which Gem traders you probably pay devotion and salute. Cultural Gem-dealer are skilled in using fools and eventually heading worlds wars.
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If it happened, that you had been engaged to take on, maybe a lost, child of the wilds, another culture, made if your own without knowing and understandig the species way, even made it an adornment, an item of your zoo to run your trades for worldly gains, try to find the Childs heritage, the heirs of the tradition, the Noble ones and carefully offer and give it back to it's kind, like people try to reintegrate seldom animals into protected wilds.

It's not sure that it might be readopted having gained possible other kinds smell. But that's at least out of your control and up to the traditions wisdom.

For one releasing not into such as puplic domain, but toward higher, it's kind, encourages in simply protecting it from worldly, how ever public domains and declares the owner and heritage carrier as its kind, one giving release of what is not his/her own, can expect to gain leave toward the Noble ones and change ancestor ship to one aiming in highest release.

For those gradping after the heritage of yhe Gems and depriving the carrier from means to exist in proper ways, such, by binding and making what is not his own, his own, one stealing culture, such one is indeed for a long time bond and not capable to grow and escape the wheel of aging, sickness, death and birth, has deliberated deprive himself and his kind, bond to him from prosperity in the holly life.
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Today at 03:52:00 PM
Nyom Roman and Bhantes family will be surely happy and good that Bhante does not need to get much involved directly.
 

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The Kathina will be holding on Sat 17 and Sun 18. I kuna will meet both of Bhante Sreng and Bhante Khemearakuma to imform all about this, incl sharing much pictures.
 

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Kuna Prah Ang,
As I kuna knowing that Prah Ang Khemareakuma
was staying in Ork Yum Pagoda.
This Saturday or Sunday I kuna would join the Kathin there, but now I kuna will send some about Bhante Khemareakuma via FB Prah Ang Sreng.
 

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Nyom Roman, Nyom Villa asked if she can help in something in regard of Bhante. Best when you talk in a new topic.
 

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Today at 02:36:12 PM
Nyom Roman , Bhantes twin brother and his family asked how Bhante is. They miss him much and Bhante praisworthy focus on practice.
 

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ព្រះអង្គ  _/\_
តើខ្ញុំកូណានឹងអាចជួយអ្វីខ្លះអ្វីអំពីព្រះអង្គ​ Khemareakuma?
 

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Today at 02:12:29 PM
Auf Wiedersehen, Roman. Ich schreibe dir noch zurück per E-Mail und mache hier am besten noch ein Thema auf für später.

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Johann

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Does Nyom Villa know Bhante Khemakumaras twin brother?
 

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Eine Reihe der neuen Mitglieder hier, Nyom Villa, Puthy... sind öfter in Kontakt und in den Klöstern Ayum und in Phnom Penh. Mag sein, daß jemand von den Upasikas kürzlich Kontakt hatte. Gut auch wenn Nyom guten Kontakt zu anderen Laien vor Ort Pflegt, hallo sagt...
 

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ich danke ihnen Johann und Motiz für die informationen und unterstützung.
 ich muss  jetzt weiter. ich  wünsche allen einen friedevolle tag
 

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Ein paar generelle und erklärende Worte zum Thema Unterstützen hier: If willing to help the child, the "poor" the new, give to it's master, father!
 

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Atma denkt, kann aber auch sein, daß er anderwo lernt. Einweiser ist die Person, die einen neuen Mönch einweist, und kommt einem Vater gleich. Bhante Indannano ist Bhantes Einweiser (Upajjhāya). (Hier übrigens das Thema zu "Unte
 

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Und wie geht es Ihnen Johann? wo sind sie untergebracht?
 

Roman

Today at 01:34:00 PM
Bhante Khemakumara ist jetzt in Takeo bei Bhante Indannanno soweit ich mitbekommen habe ja? welche bedeutung hat ein Einweiser?
 

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Siehe Mountain kuti-sāmaggī weekend, Thmo Duk, end of last Rain-month 2018. . Bhante ist, wenn im Wat (Kloster) Ayum , sicher gut umsorgt von allen Seiten.
 

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Seit seinem Mitziehen mit seinem Einweiser soweit nichts gehört und wird, denkt Atma, vertieft in der Praxis sein. Nächste Woche kommt Bhante Indannano mit seinen Schülern. Vielleicht kommt Bhante Khemakumara auch mit.
 

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wie geht es Khemakumara..dass ist sehr oft in meinen gedanken..ihn nicht direkt fragen zu können dass ist schwierig..nicht auf dem aktuellen zu sein..denke das liegt auch daran dass mich meine famile oft fragt..roman wie gehts marcel
 

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Ja Johann das werde ich meiner familie vorschlagen!
 

Johann

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Nyom Roman kann jederzeit seine Familie hier her einladen. Da mögen alle mehr Bezug zu dem Streben bekommen und können stets auch Fragen stellen.
 

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Da wart ein Forum nur für Nichtklösterliche eingerichtet, zu dem man mit gewisser Mitgliedschaft zugang hat. Mag sicher ein passender Rahmen sein für solches, um da entspannend beizutragen, oder Aramikabereich (Oberforum).
 

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Khemakumara und nicht marcel die person die sich an vergangenen haftet
 

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ehrwürdiger Johann

ja ich vermisse meinen bruder! ich berichte meiner familie von den Ereignissen..Dass is einwenig schwer für mich da familie immer über Marcel spricht und die erinnerungen hochholen wie es mal war! ich versuche ihnen auch zu erklären wie sie es mir versucht haben zu verdeutl
 

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Ich habe deine Mail gelesen, Roman, und gerade nach einem Thema/Unterforum hier gesucht, was genau für solche Fragen gedacht war: zu erfragen/besprechen/organisieren, was man materiell beisteuern/unterstützen kann.
 

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Nyom Roman vermißt seinen Bruder sehr und kommt aus den Abschiedthemen ganz und gar nicht raus.
 

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November 11, 2018, 01:00:38 AM
Sadhu Nyom. "May the Dhamma of the Buddha, and those following, be all beings refuge for a blessed life and beyond."
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 11, 2018, 12:31:09 AM
May the Dhamma be the greatest blessing in our lives today!
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 11, 2018, 12:30:17 AM
Möge heute das Dhamma der größte Segen in unserem Leben sein!
 

Johann

November 10, 2018, 03:31:36 AM
Sadhu! "May all given the right causes so that they experiance peace, prospery, friendships in their worlds today."
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 10, 2018, 02:42:15 AM
Sehr ehrwürdiger Samanera Johann,
hier gibt es einen Fehler. Nicht Mӧge, sondern Mӧgen.

Dhamma Grüβe an Sie aus Sri Lanka!
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 10, 2018, 12:58:57 AM
May peace, prosperity, Friendship prevail throughout the word today!
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 10, 2018, 12:58:26 AM
Mӧge heute Frieden, Wohlstand und Freundschaft auf der ganzen Welt herrschen!
 

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November 08, 2018, 01:40:21 AM
May all those having not observed the new-moon Uposata yesterday take the chance of this day.
 

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November 07, 2018, 01:52:42 AM
Sadhu! "May I, may all, give the causes, act in way, that I, that all, experiance a blissfull day."
 

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November 07, 2018, 12:36:19 AM
May today be a blissful day!
 

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Mӧge der heutige Tag ein glückseliger Tag sein!
 

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Sandhu!
 

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November 06, 2018, 12:41:22 AM
Sadhu. "May I, may all, use this day to give themselves causes for long lasting happines."
 

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Mӧge der heutige Tag ein verdienstvoller und verdienstlicher Tag sein!
 

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November 05, 2018, 09:16:58 AM
Sadhu
 

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November 05, 2018, 01:41:57 AM
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