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2019 Feb 15 04:14:01
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 15 03:43:29
Johann: Another day, another possibility. We don't know what tomorrow might be

2019 Feb 15 03:43:01
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Feb 12 05:47:26
Johann: Nyom Chanroth

2019 Feb 11 07:35:04
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 11 07:01:15
Johann: Bhante

2019 Feb 10 15:18:50
Vithou: Hope Preah Ang doing well too.. Thanks Preah Ang

2019 Feb 10 15:17:51
Vithou: Nhom kuna doing well so far.

2019 Feb 10 12:29:57
Johann: Nyom Vithou. But Nyom is well so far?

2019 Feb 10 12:02:00
Vithou: Actually they put in the kidnee. :)

2019 Feb 10 12:01:26
Vithou:  take it out on 20 Feb

2019 Feb 10 12:01:25
Vithou:  take it out on 20 Feb

2019 Feb 10 12:01:12
Vithou: the doctor put it for one month . I will

2019 Feb 10 12:00:28
Vithou: Kuna Tvay Bongkom Preah Ang  nyom kuna is fne now but still have a pipe inside mybody

2019 Feb 10 11:47:41
Johann: Sokh chomreoun Nyom Buddhi

2019 Feb 10 11:44:41
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាខានបានចូលមកក្នុងវេបសាយអានព្រះធម៌អស់ប៉ុន្មានថ្ងៃ

2019 Feb 10 11:41:53
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ Vandami Bhante

2019 Feb 09 14:43:21
Cheav Villa: សួស្តី​ពូចាន់រ័ត្ម _/\_

2019 Feb 09 14:42:08
Johann: ញោម Chanroth

2019 Feb 09 11:32:48
Johann: ខ្លះ ... how ever, good to here

2019 Feb 09 10:30:33
Cheav Villa: វិធូថាគាត់បានធូរខ្លះហើយ គាត់នឹងរកពេលទូលព្រះអង្គ តាម​Talk box  _/\_

2019 Feb 09 02:49:21
Cheav Villa: កូណាបានសួរគាត់ដែរ តែមិនទាន់មានការឆ្លើយតបទេ ប្រហែលជាគាត់រវល់ខ្លាំង  _/\_

2019 Feb 08 15:24:14
Johann: How is Nyom Vithou doing, Nyom Villa? Nyom Chanroth told that he still has burden after the hospital.

2019 Feb 07 13:07:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 07 13:04:40
Johann: Nearly out of power("suns gift") for today again. May all give into good deeds with their power left.

2019 Feb 07 13:04:33
Johann: Nearly out of power("suns gift") for today again. May all give into good deeds with their power left.

2019 Feb 05 13:35:45
Johann: Meister Vinodh

2019 Feb 05 08:45:20
Johann: មុដិតា

2019 Feb 05 07:46:50
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណ​ ព្រះអង្គ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ ពួកខ្ញុំកូណា បានធូរស្បើយ​ច្រើន​ អំពីបញ្ហាសុខភាពរាងកាយ​  _/\_

2019 Feb 05 07:25:29
Johann: Nyom Villa. Family, all healthy and well?

2019 Feb 05 03:34:18
Johann: Mr. Nathan

2019 Feb 04 13:42:11
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Feb 04 04:25:07
Cheav Villa: កូណា​ត្រេកអរ​ ដែលបានឃើញផ្លូវទៅមុខ ឧបនិស្ស័យ​ការបដិបត្តិ​ឧបោសថ​យឺតយូរ​  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 04 04:22:09
Cheav Villa: ការហាត់ធ្វើឧបោសថបានបន្តិចបន្តួួច ដោយវិធីស្រាយចំណងដែលជាប់មាំ

2019 Feb 04 04:18:58
Cheav Villa: ព្រះអង្គ​ _/\_ ចិត្តនឿយណាយចន្លោះពេលបានសុខ និងបានទុក្ខ

2019 Feb 04 04:04:13
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ កូណាព្រះអង្គ

2019 Feb 04 03:55:36
Johann: English iti 49

2019 Feb 04 03:51:37
Johann: Importand teaching in regard of wishing for becoming or not-becoming! ទិដ្ឋិគតសូត្រ (១២.)

2019 Feb 04 03:37:57
Johann: It can be observed free of all Sakaya ditthi as well.

2019 Feb 04 03:25:52
Johann: Uposatha is a good tradition to take on.

2019 Feb 04 03:24:53
Johann: This, the Buddha told, can not be archived by just wishing, Nyom, the end of suffering.

2019 Feb 04 02:23:26
Cheav Villa: May​ all possibilities in a rebirth has decreased  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 04 02:18:49
Cheav Villa: Since my grandmother, my dad, I kana has not taken on the traditional of Chinese new year

2019 Feb 04 01:28:26
Johann: An insightful Chines New Year and new moon day, a rebirth of another round of possibility in chosing ways with every action.

2019 Feb 03 16:08:02
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុព្រះអង្គvandami 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Feb 03 12:20:05
Cheav Villa:  កូណាព្រះអង្គ  _/\_ 

2019 Feb 03 12:10:00
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Feb 03 07:06:33
Johann: Nyom Buddhi

2019 Feb 02 16:53:13
Johann: All a matter of leaving house and not searching for the next, Nyom.

2019 Feb 02 16:51:36
Johann: Editing post here is not so good since there is a software issue, cutting away all to 200 characters.

2019 Feb 02 16:18:35
Ieng Puthy: ព្រះអង្គករុណានឹករលឹកភ្នំឱរា៉ល់ណាស់ សង្ឃឹមថាថ្ងៃណាមួយករុណានឹងបានទៅថ្វាយបង្គំុព្រះអង្គដោយផ្ទាល់ ។ បេីបុណ

2019 Feb 02 15:52:20
Johann: Nyom Buddhi

2019 Feb 02 15:35:54
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុVandami Bhante.

2019 Feb 02 15:33:38
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Feb 02 10:35:46
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 02 08:36:16
Johann: Atma will then make a "sun-break" for today

2019 Feb 01 11:36:30
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំ🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Vandami Bhante

2019 Jan 31 15:55:14
Johann: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 30 15:40:30
Johann: Nyom Buddhi

2019 Jan 30 05:24:55
Johann: "sreng" is really "nasty" if becoming. It's also easy to get by sweeping dusty group and dry gras.

2019 Jan 30 04:35:46
Cheav Villa: កូណាព្រះអង្គ  _/\_

2019 Jan 30 04:11:18
Johann: It's possible not "sreng", Nyom, it's autumn diseas, and infection not to be healed. The origin why the Buddha allowed tonics ("food" at "wrong" time), weakness of the body.

2019 Jan 30 03:27:08
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 30 01:12:39
Sophorn: Bhante Khemakura, kana hofft, Bhante geht es besser!  _/\_

2019 Jan 30 01:12:10
Sophorn: Vandami Bhante Khemakura  _/\_

2019 Jan 30 01:11:53
Sophorn: Vandami Bhante Indannano  _/\_

2019 Jan 30 01:11:38
Sophorn: Vandami Bhante Johann _/\_

2019 Jan 29 10:12:10
Johann: Bhante. Wie geht es der Unterlippe?

2019 Jan 27 04:59:09
Johann: Nyom Vithou

2019 Jan 26 14:38:07
Cheav Villa: Vandāmi Bhante Indaññāno  _/\_

2019 Jan 25 16:12:30
Cheav Villa:  :o _/\_

2019 Jan 25 16:04:02
Johann: There are two, actually. Something to be careful about.

2019 Jan 25 15:39:25
Cheav Villa: Vilāsa  :D karuṇā found this meaning in Pāḷi Dictionary  _/\_

2019 Jan 25 15:24:52
Johann: No vaṇṇa-macchariya: rejoicing that other appear as vilasa as oneself... Sadhu!

2019 Jan 25 15:17:51
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 25 14:29:43
Johann: If Ñoma Buddhi likes to wear the color of an ārāmikinī, to be able to edit, add translations, corrections, it should be no problem. Ñoma Vīḷa might help to get known the "power and responsibility" of goodness.

2019 Jan 25 14:22:02
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏼អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គ

2019 Jan 25 11:55:49
Johann: No problem Nyom, that was clear (word prediction...). Only moderator and admin can edit text in the shoutbox.

2019 Jan 25 11:04:42
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻ព្រះអង្គករុណាសរសេរអក្សរខុស ករុណារកកន្លែងលុបអក្សរដែលខុសមិនឃេីញទេ ។ ករុណាចង់សរសេរVandami Bhante មិនមែន vandalism Bhante ទេ។

2019 Jan 25 10:21:25
Chanroth:  _/\_ជំរាបបងស្រីវីឡា ហេតុអីបានជាលេខទូរសព្ទបងមិនបានសូម

2019 Jan 25 05:50:33
Cheav Villa: បងប៉ៈលើអក្សរដែរសរសេររួចនោះ វានឹងចេញ​  pen edit's icon/Delete

2019 Jan 25 05:33:21
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ vandalism Bhante. តេីព្រះសុខភាពព្រះអង្គយា៉ងណាហេីយ?

2019 Jan 25 04:04:48
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 25 02:01:40
Johann: "If you envision the Buddha as uttering nothing but sweetness and light, it may come as a shock to learn how thoroughly he ridiculed the Nigaṇṭhas over this belief."

2019 Jan 25 01:59:29
Johann: The Karma of Now: Why the Present Moment Isn’t the Goal : maybe that helps to gain upanissaya to the Buddhas real good teachings.

2019 Jan 25 01:49:43
Johann: much karuna

2019 Jan 24 16:44:54
Cheav Villa: ប៉ុន្តែ​គាត់ចូលចិត្តស្តាប់ធម៌ ព្រះអង្គ​ គូ​ សុភាព​ មុនចូលគេង _/\_

2019 Jan 24 16:20:28
Cheav Villa:  He isn't fine body and mind  _/\_

2019 Jan 24 16:02:39
Johann: Havn't seen Nyoms huband here since longer. Health and everything fine?

2019 Jan 24 15:29:16
Cheav Villa: Vaṇḍāni Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 24 15:11:50
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Jan 24 14:12:53
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2019 Jan 24 14:10:31
Johann: Schnelles genesen. Tnam Sach, hilft.

2019 Jan 24 14:01:43
Khemakumara: Erinnert mich sehr an die geschwollene Unterlippe des Bhante Johann!  Es ist verpflegt!  Wird täglich gereinigt!

2019 Jan 24 13:59:36
Khemakumara: Gut soweit!  Kana hat nun eine Entzündung in der rechten Seite des Gesichts zur Unterlippe hin

2019 Jan 24 13:55:23
Johann: Wie geht es Bhante und seinem Einweiser?

2019 Jan 24 13:53:43
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Johann

2019 Jan 24 05:36:31
Johann: Bhante Khemakumara

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Author Topic: [Q&A] Wholesale dismissal of Non-Ariya traditions result in Ariyupavadantarya?  (Read 1648 times)

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Quote from: Upasaka Ruslan
Can a wholesale dismissal of Non-Theravada traditions result in Ariyupavadantaraya?

A question for those well-familiar with non-Theravada traditions and texts, as titled:
Can a wholesale dismissal of Non-Theravada traditions such as Zen or Mahayana result in Ariyupavadantaraya*?

*offense of reviling a Noble person

Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.

 _/\_  _/\_  _/\_

In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community _/\_ , my person tries to answer this question. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.

Valued Upasakas, Upasikas, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,



Nyom Ruslan ,

Antarya means danger, blockade, obstacle.

my person has renamed the original question, so that it fits also for holder of a view "I am a Theravadin".

First of all: it is said by the Liberal, known by the wise, that a person of no integrity (eg. worldling, non-Araiya) is incapable to know of who is a person of integrity.

Secound, what ever Tradition (outwardly) serious practice the Eightfold path for right liberation from suffering, for own and all other welfare, can be called an Ariya-Tradition, will be not different by means and appearing to the Buddhas direct traceable heritage.

Third, by nature of having gained right view, it's impossible for a Noble One to define himself by means of groups, nations, lables aside of such as Noble One by action. Who ever discriminates right and wrong by outwardly manners aside of deeds, reviles not in manner of conduct but by nation, geography, age, race, outwardly family... acts on behave of such, sacrifices in that ways downwardly, such a person has not gained right view. So who ever, not just using it as a synonym for conduct according to the path and aim, defines himself as Theravadin, Zen... German, Russian, Amerikan, acts on behave of this selfdefinition, such person has not gained the stream.

Who ever, having gained the stream, criticizes traditions of worldlings, conduct outside the Eightfold path, aspirations aside of putting an end of suffering for oneself at first place, and so for the benefit of all others, does such rightly.

Who ever criticizes, after having investigated proper, of what is worthy to criticize, right, based on right resolve, such causes heavenly fruits. For doing the opposite, blame the right, praise the wrong, such is the cause of downfall, hell.

And, to think about, there is the case where a person, having gained path in previous life, reapears on places, in societies void of the Gems, the Sangha the Dhamma. He might associate with groups actually not in the Ariya Traditions to the extend of Dana, Sila, Samadhi, but not in regard of panna.

If such a person, independent of a teacher (because a stream enter, Ariya by "by Birth", because of his past deeds) might come in contact with the Liberated Ones tradition, good Dhamma, peoples of integrity, he/she would suddenly leave his outward bounds in not noble relations.

As for those many householder, worldly conducts and traditions, traders of Juwels, parents and unrightouse grasped heritage of the Buddha, who desire, whether in robes of not, for staying in Samsara, engage in various ways unskilled, do not know of what is first and what comes after, and think in manners of equality and rights, this worthless beings are of cause found in all Mohayanas, all pabbajito reviler traditions, householder traditions, with householders as their leaders, with no respect of Samanas, this people, headed by devadatta, by Mara, or by Baka, are also found in certain Mohanikaya Traditions, the groups of the foolish mass.

Those who do not know of what Elders means, have not abound discrimination of worldling, those lost Brahmans, althought dealing with the heritage of the Noble Ones, are lost equal Mohayanas.

And what does Mahayana means in the tradition of the Noble Ones? Having gained "Buddhanature" a person of integrity is bound to practice the Ariya Path for the right ending of Stress, and gains within max 7 further existences highest liberation.

Such person really does neither seek or praise those calling them selfes Vajrayanas, those cheating householders with no virtue, no conduct and leading the mass to downfall.

It's by nature, that a Boddhisatta never comes in touch with the eightfold path, the aim, the three Gems on the surface of jnowing and seeing.

That is why one should not associate with householders (eg. those holding to the six sense at least) and those of not respect for outwardly, not to speak inwardly Went-forth.

Coming in touch, with the Noble Ones, being a child of the other family, one has no doubt and feels suddenly reminded.

And since some householder and pets devoted told that just Jhana is a critera of the Noble ones, such is not right. Even Devadatta gained certsin Jhanas, even certain Zen, Forest... what ever leades and masters, gained and teach such, yet still often very missleading subjects, heading people into spheres where Dhamma can be not gained for a long, long time. By ending of dependend bliss, they fall into the hell.

So this is why the elders do not teach Jhana to those not aware of right view, to householders, to those rejecting right view even on a pre-path level: reviler of what is right, praiser of what is wrong, but would again and again teach right view to householder those not having gone forth, eighter lay or in robes. For it's his gift for purification of ones mind.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"And how is one made pure in three ways by mental action? There is the case where a certain person is not covetous. He does not covet the belongings of others, thinking, 'O, that what belongs to others would be mine!' He bears no ill will and is not corrupt in the resolves of his heart. [He thinks,] 'May these beings be free from animosity, free from oppression, free from trouble, and may they look after themselves with ease!' He has right view and is not warped in the way he sees things: 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are brahmans & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is how one is made pure in three ways by mental action.

If certain doubt arises, may one feel encouraged to ask further and in detail.

18. Wrong practice of buddha-dhamma   



The Buddha, here representing the true teaching, is being attacked by three monks and one laymen. The fact that there is only one layman attacking the teachings indicates that many monks, once having been ordained in the order, continue to follow false path and are attached to ceremony. They are indifferent to the true teachings and prefer the Wheel of Wandering-on to Nibbāna.

(Monks, as they are more conspicuous than layman and because they are supposed to be devoting their lives to the Three Gems, and because it is known that they have many precepts to keep pure, can attack the Dhamma by misconduct in a more violent way than is possible for laypeople)

(Note that this Dhamma is said to be contributedby one of the most worthless "monks", a slave-leader, Buddhadassa! to understand the Dangers, Antarya. Yet this it-self if Dhamma and the meanig understood even if contributed to known revilers and Dhamma-Danger praiser)

May Vandami become soon a daily practice for many, may no one falls in associatiin with fools now not secure.

It's by an Element that being gather together, "are" bond to each other.

Anumodana! May all being be able to rejoice with good deeds done.

May person will now leave the Dhamma-womb and go for alms.
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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

The Four Great References

7. And there the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Now, bhikkhus, I shall make known to you the four great references. [37] Listen and pay heed to my words." And those bhikkhus answered, saying:

"So be it, Lord."

8-11. Then the Blessed One said: "In this fashion, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu might speak: 'Face to face with the Blessed One, brethren, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation'; or: 'In an abode of such and such a name lives a community with elders and a chief. Face to face with that community, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation'; or: 'In an abode of such and such a name live several bhikkhus who are elders, who are learned, who have accomplished their course, who are preservers of the Dhamma, the Discipline, and the Summaries. Face to face with those elders, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation'; or: 'In an abode of such and such a name lives a single bhikkhu who is an elder, who is learned, who has accomplished his course, who is a preserver of the Dhamma, the Discipline, and the Summaries. Face to face with that elder, I have heard and learned thus: This is the Dhamma and the Discipline, the Master's Dispensation.'

"In such a case, bhikkhus, the declaration of such a bhikkhu is neither to be received with approval nor with scorn. Without approval and without scorn, but carefully studying the sentences word by word, one should trace them in the Discourses and verify them by the Discipline. If they are neither traceable in the Discourses nor verifiable by the Discipline, one must conclude thus: 'Certainly, this is not the Blessed One's utterance; this has been misunderstood by that bhikkhu — or by that community, or by those elders, or by that elder.' In that way, bhikkhus, you should reject it. But if the sentences concerned are traceable in the Discourses and verifiable by the Discipline, then one must conclude thus: 'Certainly, this is the Blessed One's utterance; this has been well understood by that bhikkhu — or by that community, or by those elders, or by that elder.' And in that way, bhikkhus, you may accept it on the first, second, third, or fourth reference. These, bhikkhus, are the four great references for you to preserve."
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And a short story in this relation, Nyom (former relative/father) Ruslan .

At least this first so impressed person, out of total overestmation and wrong views thinking having gained right, actually disliked my person gravely, after being actually in search for gain and becoming.

A person who gives, even wealthy, just bottles of water, saying "there is no transgression in drinking just that" while sacrificing toward flags preaching ditthis of "A(bhi)dhamma".

Althought knowing so much, not beyond macchariya and identification, desire for it.

Upasaka Dhammavaro , also an ex-monk and hopfull no more drunken in householder approaches now, once said wisely: "Be careful! Certain monks know your mind, thought, intentions."

There is a world between remembering sayings and known by seeing. This world has to be abounded to see as it is.

Once in the bond of the Sangha, one is always "supernatural" in connection. As awarness had learned to investigate awarnness. Around all the time, protected, with no secrets possible to hide.


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