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"The children herding" Discussion and more
« on: August 25, 2018, 08:17:44 AM »
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Ven. Members of the Sublime Sangha,
Ven. Fellows in front,

my person takes leave to point out a "fictitious" account by the tripple Gems. May the Ven. Sirs, out of compassion, correct possible missinterpretation of the Tripple Gems, headed by the Buddha, or fill holes that it would be not easy to take it wrong.

In releation of this and this .

On one occasions a certain Sangha of a certain monastery, all former members of other religion, thought: "Our former people, people of our former view, are devoted and praise sacrifices downwardly, dispraise devotion and sacrifices upwardly. How could we do them a favor so that we support ourselves and to server their desire. What if we start to look after their children and feed them, so that they will be of benefit for their interests?"

So they started to give children of members of other believes the going forth, took care about them, educated them in various kinds of wordily arts and what ever wouldbe of benefit when returning to the lower life.

Doing so, they spread their undertakings to advertise and touch affections under them.

At the same time they still held to No-Dhamma-Agreements they made, not to give ordination to people older then 50 years and to demand long service in the monastery before giving the Goingforth.

The people heard about this and it spreaded around: "This Sakyan-Sons give children of members of other believes the Goingforth, take care about them, educate them in various kinds of wordly arts and what ever would be of benefit when returning to the lower life.

Doing so, they spread their undertakings to advertise and touch affections under them.

At the same time they still hold to No-Dhamma-Agreements they made, not to give ordination to people older then 50 years and to demand long service in the monastery before giving the Goingforth.

How can the Sakyan-Sons use the gifts given by the country use to look after the children of certain wealth supporters? It's just like the cowboys looking after the cattle of the rich."

The Bhikkhus who where modest said: "This Sakyan-Sons give children of members of other believes... It's just like the cowboys looking after the cattle of the rich."

The issue reached the Bhavagata and he called after this monks. After they arrived he asked them: "Bhikkhus, is it true that you Sons give children of members of other believes... Just like the cowboys looking after the cattle of the rich?"

"Yes, Sir."

The Bhagavata: "Worthless people, who can you give children of members of other believes... Just like the cowboys looking after the cattle of the rich?

Haven't I told in many ways of the dangers of falling into improper livelihood by doing certain people or groups a favor? Didn't I say that a Non-Dhamma-agreement should not be made?

This is neither to raise faith in those without faith, nor to maintain and increase faith in those ...."

"Bhikkhus, the going forth should be not given to make parents and followers of other believes a favor: Who ever gives the going forth to ...: it requires the meeting of the Sangha."

"Bhikkhus, Samaneras, householder, who ever not a member of the Sangha, the more a member of it,  should not be taught in lower arts and to support their skills intended to give them means for future lower life even with thought: "Oh may my sacrifices support his future wordly life". Who ever should teach them in lower arts... a grave offence."

"If a certain Bhikkhu, after being rebuked three time: "Do not teach...", if he turns his ways, good. If not, it requires the meeting of the Sangha."

"Bhikkhus, a restriction in regard of age as a factor for giving going forth has been not declared by me. Supposed the is a young boy and an older man, both without a refuge aside the Tripple Gems and without being bound to supporters outside. What do you think: Is it easier to care about a person at the age of full strengh or a child not even had seen looked after cows? Not asked to get anybodies approve of what has been declared as Vinaya and Dhamma by me."

"A testing time for the goingforth has not been given by me. If such agreement, No-Dhamma agreements are made, this Bhikkhus has to be handled by the given rules."

After having been made this declaration the Bhagavata told the Bhikkhus about the danger of pc4 easy incl. in all this issues by using means of "true monks" and arts of Noble Ones for making a living, if not attained and the danger of becoming by declarations what has been not attained easy the biggest thief in this world.

So was it seen and in relation of this was it drawn out.



May this Dhamma sacrifice, giving out of compassion, be of benefit for the Gems and support the long lasting of the Sangha of Savakas of the Buddha in this world.

May it give initial cause to clear up things and straight them out so that a purified walk on for highest attainings, for the welfare of the individuals and many may obtained immediately and without delay.

Som Anumodana puñña kusala!

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Johann

Today at 01:49:25 PM
Mag da Freude mit guten Unternehmungen sein.
 

Roman

Today at 01:46:28 PM
ich gehe jetzt wieder an die Arbeit. ich wünsche allen einen friedevollen Tag!
 

Roman

Today at 01:35:30 PM
ich würde mich sehr freuen dass mal mit eigenen augen zu sehen..habe auch geplant nächstes Jahr nach Kambodscha zu kommen.
 

Johann

Today at 01:14:27 PM
Thmo Duk , zur Zeit und schon gute Weile, Nyom Roman.
 

Roman

Today at 01:07:51 PM
Hello Cheav Villa

 

Roman

Today at 12:57:27 PM
Johann wo leben sie eigentlich? Khemakumara erzählte mir dass sie eine Höle bewohnen im aural gebirge, wie ich mich erinneren kann
 

Roman

Today at 12:53:28 PM
Hallo Johann
 

Johann

Today at 12:52:15 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Cheav Villa

Today at 09:03:03 AM
Kuna Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

Johann

Today at 08:56:25 AM
Everything fine now with Nyoms settings? (Nyom Sokdina is Nyom Villas husband, right? My person is very ignorant in remembering names and relations.)

Kong Sokdina

Today at 08:18:06 AM
Because I Kuna cant go sangham.net
after move Gmail to mail Green.

Kong Sokdina

Today at 08:13:31 AM
Prah Ang
I kuna Villa using his Acct _/\_
 

Johann

Today at 08:04:33 AM
Nyom Kong Sokdina.
 

Johann

Today at 03:16:45 AM
A fruitful Sila-observance day for those obsering it today.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 03:52:00 PM
Nyom Roman and Bhantes family will be surely happy and good that Bhante does not need to get much involved directly.
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
Kuna Prah Ang
 _/\_
The Kathina will be holding on Sat 17 and Sun 18. I kuna will meet both of Bhante Sreng and Bhante Khemearakuma to imform all about this, incl sharing much pictures.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
Good if Nyom could explain Bhante Sreng how to use the online monastery. Sadhu! A topic on Bhante Khemakumaras going forth can be found here . Good also if informing and share date of Kathina at Wat Ayom, and much pictures to share
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:55:43 PM
Kuna Prah Ang,
As I kuna knowing that Prah Ang Khemareakuma
was staying in Ork Yum Pagoda.
This Saturday or Sunday I kuna would join the Kathin there, but now I kuna will send some about Bhante Khemareakuma via FB Prah Ang Sreng.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:37:46 PM
Nyom Roman, Nyom Villa asked if she can help in something in regard of Bhante. Best when you talk in a new topic.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
Nyom Roman , Bhantes twin brother and his family asked how Bhante is. They miss him much and Bhante praisworthy focus on practice.
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:27:20 PM
ព្រះអង្គ  _/\_
តើខ្ញុំកូណានឹងអាចជួយអ្វីខ្លះអ្វីអំពីព្រះអង្គ​ Khemareakuma?
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:15:11 PM
ជំរាបសួរលោក​ Moritz
_/\_
 

Cheav Villa

November 14, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
កូណាមិនបានដឹងទេ ព្រះអង្គ​
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 02:12:36 PM
ជំរាបសួរ Cheav Villa _/\_
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 02:12:29 PM
Auf Wiedersehen, Roman. Ich schreibe dir noch zurück per E-Mail und mache hier am besten noch ein Thema auf für später.

_/\_
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:03:05 PM
Does Nyom Villa know Bhante Khemakumaras twin brother?
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
Eine Reihe der neuen Mitglieder hier, Nyom Villa, Puthy... sind öfter in Kontakt und in den Klöstern Ayum und in Phnom Penh. Mag sein, daß jemand von den Upasikas kürzlich Kontakt hatte. Gut auch wenn Nyom guten Kontakt zu anderen Laien vor Ort Pflegt, hallo sagt...
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
ich danke ihnen Johann und Motiz für die informationen und unterstützung.
 ich muss  jetzt weiter. ich  wünsche allen einen friedevolle tag
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Ein paar generelle und erklärende Worte zum Thema Unterstützen hier: If willing to help the child, the "poor" the new, give to it's master, father!
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:41:23 PM
Atma denkt, kann aber auch sein, daß er anderwo lernt. Einweiser ist die Person, die einen neuen Mönch einweist, und kommt einem Vater gleich. Bhante Indannano ist Bhantes Einweiser (Upajjhāya). (Hier übrigens das Thema zu "Unte
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 01:36:35 PM
Und wie geht es Ihnen Johann? wo sind sie untergebracht?
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Bhante Khemakumara ist jetzt in Takeo bei Bhante Indannanno soweit ich mitbekommen habe ja? welche bedeutung hat ein Einweiser?
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:31:47 PM
Siehe Mountain kuti-sāmaggī weekend, Thmo Duk, end of last Rain-month 2018. . Bhante ist, wenn im Wat (Kloster) Ayum , sicher gut umsorgt von allen Seiten.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
Seit seinem Mitziehen mit seinem Einweiser soweit nichts gehört und wird, denkt Atma, vertieft in der Praxis sein. Nächste Woche kommt Bhante Indannano mit seinen Schülern. Vielleicht kommt Bhante Khemakumara auch mit.
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
wie geht es Khemakumara..dass ist sehr oft in meinen gedanken..ihn nicht direkt fragen zu können dass ist schwierig..nicht auf dem aktuellen zu sein..denke das liegt auch daran dass mich meine famile oft fragt..roman wie gehts marcel
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 01:16:20 PM
Ja Johann das werde ich meiner familie vorschlagen!
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:10:27 PM
Nyom Roman kann jederzeit seine Familie hier her einladen. Da mögen alle mehr Bezug zu dem Streben bekommen und können stets auch Fragen stellen.
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
Da wart ein Forum nur für Nichtklösterliche eingerichtet, zu dem man mit gewisser Mitgliedschaft zugang hat. Mag sicher ein passender Rahmen sein für solches, um da entspannend beizutragen, oder Aramikabereich (Oberforum).
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 01:05:53 PM
Khemakumara und nicht marcel die person die sich an vergangenen haftet
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 01:04:12 PM
ehrwürdiger Johann

ja ich vermisse meinen bruder! ich berichte meiner familie von den Ereignissen..Dass is einwenig schwer für mich da familie immer über Marcel spricht und die erinnerungen hochholen wie es mal war! ich versuche ihnen auch zu erklären wie sie es mir versucht haben zu verdeutl
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 01:00:07 PM
Ich habe deine Mail gelesen, Roman, und gerade nach einem Thema/Unterforum hier gesucht, was genau für solche Fragen gedacht war: zu erfragen/besprechen/organisieren, was man materiell beisteuern/unterstützen kann.
 

Roman

November 14, 2018, 12:57:01 PM
hallo moritz und johann
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 12:52:02 PM
Nyom Roman vermißt seinen Bruder sehr und kommt aus den Abschiedthemen ganz und gar nicht raus.
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
Vandami Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

November 14, 2018, 12:46:33 PM
Werte Herren
 

Moritz

November 14, 2018, 12:43:40 PM
Hallo Roman! _/\_
 

Johann

November 11, 2018, 01:00:38 AM
Sadhu Nyom. "May the Dhamma of the Buddha, and those following, be all beings refuge for a blessed life and beyond."
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 11, 2018, 12:31:09 AM
May the Dhamma be the greatest blessing in our lives today!
 

Mohan Gnanathilake

November 11, 2018, 12:30:17 AM
Möge heute das Dhamma der größte Segen in unserem Leben sein!
 

Johann

November 10, 2018, 03:31:36 AM
Sadhu! "May all given the right causes so that they experiance peace, prospery, friendships in their worlds today."

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