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2019 Feb 18 13:29:24
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2019 Feb 18 09:31:39
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2019 Feb 18 08:19:34
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2019 Feb 18 08:15:08
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2019 Feb 18 03:52:46
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2019 Feb 18 01:21:42
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2019 Feb 18 01:16:11
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2019 Feb 18 01:14:29
Johann: Nyom Moritz. Sokh chomreoun

2019 Feb 18 00:34:02
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2019 Feb 15 04:14:01
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2019 Feb 15 03:43:29
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2019 Feb 15 03:43:01
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2019 Feb 12 05:47:26
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2019 Feb 11 07:35:04
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2019 Feb 11 07:01:15
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2019 Feb 10 15:18:50
Vithou: Hope Preah Ang doing well too.. Thanks Preah Ang

2019 Feb 10 15:17:51
Vithou: Nhom kuna doing well so far.

2019 Feb 10 12:29:57
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2019 Feb 10 12:02:00
Vithou: Actually they put in the kidnee. :)

2019 Feb 10 12:01:26
Vithou:  take it out on 20 Feb

2019 Feb 10 12:01:25
Vithou:  take it out on 20 Feb

2019 Feb 10 12:01:12
Vithou: the doctor put it for one month . I will

2019 Feb 10 12:00:28
Vithou: Kuna Tvay Bongkom Preah Ang  nyom kuna is fne now but still have a pipe inside mybody

2019 Feb 10 11:47:41
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2019 Feb 10 11:44:41
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2019 Feb 09 14:43:21
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2019 Feb 09 14:42:08
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2019 Feb 09 11:32:48
Johann: ខ្លះ ... how ever, good to here

2019 Feb 09 10:30:33
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2019 Feb 09 02:49:21
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2019 Feb 08 15:24:14
Johann: How is Nyom Vithou doing, Nyom Villa? Nyom Chanroth told that he still has burden after the hospital.

2019 Feb 07 13:07:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 07 13:04:40
Johann: Nearly out of power("suns gift") for today again. May all give into good deeds with their power left.

2019 Feb 07 13:04:33
Johann: Nearly out of power("suns gift") for today again. May all give into good deeds with their power left.

2019 Feb 05 13:35:45
Johann: Meister Vinodh

2019 Feb 05 08:45:20
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2019 Feb 05 07:46:50
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2019 Feb 05 07:25:29
Johann: Nyom Villa. Family, all healthy and well?

2019 Feb 05 03:34:18
Johann: Mr. Nathan

2019 Feb 04 13:42:11
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Feb 04 04:25:07
Cheav Villa: កូណា​ត្រេកអរ​ ដែលបានឃើញផ្លូវទៅមុខ ឧបនិស្ស័យ​ការបដិបត្តិ​ឧបោសថ​យឺតយូរ​  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Feb 04 04:22:09
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2019 Feb 04 04:04:13
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ កូណាព្រះអង្គ

2019 Feb 04 03:55:36
Johann: English iti 49

2019 Feb 04 03:51:37
Johann: Importand teaching in regard of wishing for becoming or not-becoming! ទិដ្ឋិគតសូត្រ (១២.)

2019 Feb 04 03:37:57
Johann: It can be observed free of all Sakaya ditthi as well.

2019 Feb 04 03:25:52
Johann: Uposatha is a good tradition to take on.

2019 Feb 04 03:24:53
Johann: This, the Buddha told, can not be archived by just wishing, Nyom, the end of suffering.

2019 Feb 04 02:23:26
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2019 Feb 04 02:18:49
Cheav Villa: Since my grandmother, my dad, I kana has not taken on the traditional of Chinese new year

2019 Feb 04 01:28:26
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2019 Feb 03 16:08:02
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2019 Feb 03 12:20:05
Cheav Villa:  កូណាព្រះអង្គ  _/\_ 

2019 Feb 03 12:10:00
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Feb 03 07:06:33
Johann: Nyom Buddhi

2019 Feb 02 16:53:13
Johann: All a matter of leaving house and not searching for the next, Nyom.

2019 Feb 02 16:51:36
Johann: Editing post here is not so good since there is a software issue, cutting away all to 200 characters.

2019 Feb 02 16:18:35
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2019 Feb 02 15:52:20
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2019 Feb 02 15:35:54
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2019 Feb 02 10:35:46
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2019 Feb 02 08:36:16
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2019 Jan 31 15:55:14
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2019 Jan 30 15:40:30
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2019 Jan 30 05:24:55
Johann: "sreng" is really "nasty" if becoming. It's also easy to get by sweeping dusty group and dry gras.

2019 Jan 30 04:35:46
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2019 Jan 30 04:11:18
Johann: It's possible not "sreng", Nyom, it's autumn diseas, and infection not to be healed. The origin why the Buddha allowed tonics ("food" at "wrong" time), weakness of the body.

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2019 Jan 30 01:12:39
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2019 Jan 29 10:12:10
Johann: Bhante. Wie geht es der Unterlippe?

2019 Jan 27 04:59:09
Johann: Nyom Vithou

2019 Jan 26 14:38:07
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2019 Jan 25 16:12:30
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2019 Jan 25 16:04:02
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2019 Jan 25 15:39:25
Cheav Villa: Vilāsa  :D karuṇā found this meaning in Pāḷi Dictionary  _/\_

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Maintaining relations after going forth
« on: September 25, 2018, 06:06:22 PM »

Late Venerable Nyanavimala had taught that a monk who keep contacts with his
1. Old Family
2. Old Friends
3. Old Country
is still a Samanera. (though some suspects whether it is an extreme.)
http://ven-nyanavimala.buddhasasana.net

Nyom gus , let my person correct it a little. He did not read the article of Venerable, from this commercial page.

That's right and wrong, biased or to less explained.

One who still feels identification, desires for contact of what he objectes as personal, is an householder, not even a Samanera. Or spoken in ideal form a worldling.

Only a Sotapanna has overcome a good amount of all this identifications and desire after relation with "own" normally people have.

Yet on the other hand, only an Arahat has abound all kinds of worries about his kind.

But it's also the case that there are wanderers who dwell out of aversion (perverse clinging) torward family, friends, kind, nation... and this kind of tudhong-monk has been mentioned by the Buddha. One of the reasons why ones desire for this practice is corrupt.

Not sure if it will match with the Ven. teachings.

And no, it's not extrem but naturally once in Dhamma. And yes normal people can not understand at all, especially in SEAsia where ones kind is the whole insurance one has.

In the west people would have the problem to let go of citizenship, since that's there external refuge.

One having reached the stream does not have another refuge then the gems, has abound the nurishing of other relations.
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Re: Maintaining relations after going forth
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2018, 06:25:57 PM »
A while ago Atma talked a little about the Samanera-issue , Nyom gus inspired with a topic elsewhere, which needs to be keeped in mind here possible, not knowing in with context (ideal/conventional) late Ven. uses the word.
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Re: Maintaining relations after going forth
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2018, 06:47:14 PM »
Bhante, here are some quotes from his book. You'll be able to understand the context.
Ven. Hiriko says:
Quote from: ??
As I introduced myself he expressed his surprise that even though I had been in robes for some years I wasn’t ordained as a bhikkhu (monk), but as a sāmaṇera (novice monk) and he encouraged me to take bhikkhu or higher ordination soon. He gave some brief instructions about the life of a monk: that one should cut one’s connection with one’s family, lay-friends and one’s old country. Then one should stay near one’s preceptor or teacher without going here and there for the first five years at least, and even more, if one doesn’t feel ready to live independently. Then one should study and memorise the important passages from the Pāli suttas (discourses) and vinaya (monastic discipline). He didn’t fully endorse the Abhidhamma books. Spending Time with Venerable Ñāṇavimala
But ven. Guttasila thinks it as a sternness.
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After going for piṇḍapāta, I went to see Ven. Ñāṇavimala. I explained to him how the last three years I was away from Sri Lanka and how I looked after my parents, etc., but I also explained I was able to keep my monk’s precepts during that time. Bhante Ñāṇavimala gave a little bit of a Dhamma talk to me. I brought this question up about the old lady to Ven. Ñāṇavimala. He changed and became kind of stern and he spoke to me in a very hard way saying ‘You went back to New Zealand just to indulge your senses, just to enjoy yourself. sāmaṇeras like you shouldn’t go piṇḍapāta. You should just keep your mind on the meditation object and take your meals in the dining hall (dānasāla)’. I was not a sāmaṇera, but a bhikkhu and for me, this was just so severe and so insensitive. He said, ‘That’s enough now, you can go’. So I paid respects and left. This is a monk I thought very highly of, a role model, someone to inspire one in one’s monk life. I still saw him as a very wonderful monk, very sincere in his practice, but what it showed me was that he could be very insensitive.

Ven. Ñāṇavimala could be very conservative, very narrow and set in various ways. He couldn’t understand how anyone could go back to the West. For him, anyone who went back to the West only went to enjoy himself. He couldn’t appreciate how someone could have gone back to spend time with aged parents out of compassion and also to serve the Buddhist community. On another occasion I was present in Vajirarama when a Dutch monk went to see Ven. Ñāṇavimala. When Ven. Ñāṇavimala learned this monk had been back to the West, he severely admonished him about indulging in sensuality. Ven. Ñāṇavimala, we could see, had certain set views. This is what I mean about the rigidity and conservative attitudes in Ven. Ñāṇavimala’s mind. I think another thing here is Ven. Ñāṇavimala’s lack of ability to actually communicate with the other person. Ven. Ñāṇavimala was remote, it was almost like a person from a previous generation talking to one of a younger generation and the gap was just so wide.recollections
Bhikkhu Nananada says his strictness was a good quality.
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By fervour of austerity, severity of discipline and rigour of fortitude, the late Venerable Ñāṇavimala Mahāthera appeared hard like a stone. But, with his overflowing mettā (universal love) and deep compassion, he was at the same time, soft like a flower. It was not easy for some who knew him to understand this wonderful blend of qualities. They were not all able to appreciate the straightforward and brief advice he gave in his deep and reverberating voice. slowly-carefully-mindfully

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Re: Maintaining relations after going forth
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2018, 01:21:43 AM »
Sadhu!

Of all my person had read about Ven. Ñāṇavimala he seems to have lived the Holly Live and knows of what he talks.

My person wouldn't/doesn't give other advices and yes, it is "sad" that so many, having sacrified so much, go back and by time usually fall back into merely householders life become and are slaves of there monastic householder life and live like cattle and owner, owner and cattle in associations with housholders and improper dependency.

Althought sometimes not blood-relatives it's often the case that this relations outwardly the bondless relation of the ideal Sangha become their replacement family with no different to the ordinary householder pleasure and pain with it.

It's not easy and there are a lot of dangers but if living strict in accordiance with the Tudhong-rules, this is a certain protection.. One learns to cut through compassion and compassion, get's more and more seperated form ones defilements.

These practice and life requires the gain of the secound path minumum. It's not possible for ordinary people to live in such ways.

To meet such a person is very very rare and it's not all about the physical touch. But once has reached the stream by oneself one might be able to meet.

Which brings my person to another Question Nyom gus had: "Are there still forest-traditions?" But that would be of topic here althought related.

Having walk thousands of kilometer, my person met only a handful trying and starting this mode of living and "funny" all of those he did not met on the road but they came one by one since the time my person settled here a little. Mostly younger eager Monks, very impressed, motivated and inspired by the "crazy foreigner".

If Nyom Gus has ways and likes to share accounts of Ven. Ñāṇavimala, which are not occupied by monks making their livelihood by serving with stories from the sages, such would be surely of benefit for many (btw, since Nyom asked, that's the reason why there is nothing to find from Ajahn Chan's nephew . Many make a living on the reputation of their teacher and "parents" and just imitating their kind in outwardly appearances).

Nyom may try to get in touch with Ven. Nyanadassana who might be in reach, living without family, friends, relatives and he might be also interested to get in touch with Ven. Hasapanno , who might once lived the highest live, possible inspire Sir to get not caught in a replacement-family.

He also might enjoy to read the short story about Sister Uppalavanna . But: if he likes to body-witness the meeting with those have left home, there is no other way as to leave it by oneself fist (even if just temporary). There is no other ways to do that, no shortcut, no support of what ever upanissaya one would have in the sphere of ordinary goodness ( guṇa).

A sign of one who has changed his kindship is that there is no more obligation toward his former relatives and all of what he gives in that direction is purely out of compassion without any bond or obligation. What Sekhas (those already in training) still have is a obligation toward the family of the Noble Ones, their Theras, teacher and also toward the offspings of this relation. As for an Asekha (one beyond the training) also this has become to a pure matter of compassion, beyond duty, beyond obligation and there is no other person (or kind similar to him), behind the foremost father, the Buddha, the Sanghas father Ven. Maha Kassapa, treasure and blessing of the Sangha.

My person leaves here for his alms round. Don't hesitage to raise what ever question and my Nyom be sure that there are less finding their ways into this hermitage here and even more less to enjoy the dwelling far away from commonways.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2018, 05:10:33 AM »
Bhante,
I found more interesting passages.
Interestingly, he refused to speak German even when people spoke German to him. He said it reminded him of his old country. At that time he had lived in Sri Lanka for over 40 years. He even became a Sri Lankan citizen, or at least, on his last visit to the Immigration Office in Colombo to renew his visa, the officer took away his German passport and promised to issue a Sri Lankan passport (even though it may not have happened since no one has seen that passport). The officer told him: ‘Hāmuduruvo (monk), you are too old, no need to come here again to renew your visa. It’s taken care of, you are a citizen of Sri Lanka, I’ll send you the passport.’ So Ven. Ñāṇavimala stopped going to the Immigration Office after that. I heard this story from some older monks.

He told me once about a woman, his adopted mother, who took care of him when he was a child in Germany. She didn’t have children of her own and was quite attached to him. During his first ten or so years in Sri Lanka, he would receive letters from her every once in a while. But he wouldn’t even read them at first. He would put them in a drawer, wait for some time, and only then open them. ‘There would usually be some issue or other that she would ask me about,’ he told me, as he was instructing me how to stay unattached to my own family, ‘but by the time I would actually open the letter, it would be unnecessary to write back. By that time the issue in question would have been already solved, so I never wrote a single letter to her or to anyone since I became a bhikkhu,’ he explained. I was never very good at following that instruction, I must admit.

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Re: Maintaining relations after going forth
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2018, 08:16:03 AM »
Nyom gus ,

Also Bhante Hiriko and others of the pathpress-industry can be contacted personally.

That's their last best-seller: "The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?

If late Bhante Ñāṇavimala was definitely walking the track of the Noble Ones, there is no real possible way to retell stories so that others would understand and not just get attached to them. They serve of course with plenty of food for bias. My person, Atma, has also seen that retellers quickly retell stories but misunderstand much. The Biography of Ajahn Mun by Ajahn Bowa is such a famous sample.

Just yesterday my person thought, knowing Bhante Khemakumara will soon arrive, that it will be hard to maintain such as passports, visas for him... while living near my person.

It's nearly impossible to live the holly live and maintain such as pass-ports, citizenship or what ever marks of householder. Something very serious. A sign that the Savakas have nearly disappeared in this world.

To even know an address is already dangerous. Nobody normally knows when Atma leaves a place and there is actually no way to find him.

When one leaves house and only turn back a little before he has reached thecutting of, the other direction, one may be sure to be caught again.

While normaly the family (or state in modern communist times) would take care, for one having seriously left home under the tripple Gems, it's the Noble Sangha, incl. the Devas and there follower who will take care at proper times.

And there is actually no real way for old worldly familily, friends to be really able to support as long as they have not changed their direction as well.

Just as an story of countless. Once wandering in the North wild of Cambodia, near the Thaiborder, my person felt sick. After some weeks of high fiber he came in a very remoted forest village. The people incl. the actually very bad abbot there cared with all means they had for the very weak foreign recluse. It was "pure luck" that the abbot later found a number a layperson seemingly wrote down in my persons booklet for another lay-person. (As found all out late) He called this number and just told "the monk is sick". This person reported the strange call further and so it happened that some days later a driver came and picked my person up. Another time this body was prevented to decay.

But also here now. Once my person falls seriously sick, it's mostly a very seldom visit of another todhong monk or people exidently come here.

Like just. Bhante Khemakumara "accidently" came to look after my persons boil behind the ear.

Or two days before Bhante Indannano visited and people offered certain thing. All of which Bhante Khemakumara was in need as he arrived. There would be no medicine, sugar, drinks or such things like thermos bottle here for the most of the time. No to speak about the pleasant weather.

Villager, when they find out later, that my person was serious sick, would always beg: take my telefon-no and call when ever you need something.

If letting things known it's exclusively giving others a change to do something for their benefit.

But this are all just stories for you. Once leaving home, once faith has grown to a required amount, one will see for oneself.

People at large incl. all monks my person had met, agree that it is impossible to live this mode, yet my person knows that it is not without the requirement of just having faith.

At least, either life nor death matters and the maintaining of rupa is totally up a field for others to plant their futures fruits.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2018, 09:09:00 AM »
When you describing, it came to my memory, the famous danish monk still living in Sri Lankan wilderness for 50 years. He was an indirect student of Ven. Nanavimala in 1960s.

One of the presidents of Sri Lanka (in 1980s) had asked the danish monk to throw away his all IDs, visas and passports. So he had done. He was lucky.

Here is a link to a rare article of him. meetings-with-remarkable-monk

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2018, 09:26:19 AM »
My person has seen a head picture when opening this link. Seeing a person on the peak of a mountain, with a stick in his hand and making signs of victory with the other was enought to close the browser window again... nothing of value could be found there.

That sounds and seems to be a corrupt story or a story of corruption.


* Johann : if Nyom thinks that he is given to share something for dedicating it to the Sangha here, it's of course good to do so. May he don't mind that certain places far away of that would be not visited.

Maybe Nyom finds also a way to do not hide face and his given name, the gift of his parents. Not only that he again a proper birth in this way here, it makes it also more easy to speak, especially Dhamma. He knows possible, that it is formal not proper to speak Dhamma to one hiding face. But of course his own decision and not demanded. Modern and western People could benefit a lot from a person of integrity from old traditions country who acts in internet not different as he would do at home. It's a great sacrifice and goes very strong against the five(6) kinds of macchariya, of course. But possible to leave family and home behind when entering certain places. One needs to let go to know the benefit of let go.

Nyom should not forget that he is currently in a live-show and so it's good to be just where he is: e.g. leave home to see and understand. Now having come so far till this hermitage in the area where no outwardly protection can be assumed.

Nyom gus ,

Leaving home has nothing to do with Ghandi-like rebellion and passive violence, that's the Tudhonga or the angry frusyrated man, in companion with modern pseudo-liberalism and desire for social revolution. Posison for the whole world and harmful for many, this "romantic" heroism...

Who ever would encourage others, not really free, who ever uses the ways of the sages to cause conflicts for normal society and gives ways to misuse the Gems for improper behaviour toward elders, leaders, patents, one should know him as the fourth kind of Samana.

It's simply a matter of fact that a beggar, a homeless, does not have or maintain any outwardly refuge and lives a live like a bird. It's not something out of aversion or protest or simple disrespect. Holding no rights at all is something many would speak of but havn't met a single till this days, near or far.

Such a life of no protection at all, aside of the Gems, is the possibility for others to either babb or make punna. It's all already left behind, given back.
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