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2019 Jun 10 01:47:04
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2019 Jun 10 01:28:53
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2019 Jun 10 01:26:44
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2019 Jun 04 05:13:11
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2019 Jun 02 12:03:42
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2019 Jun 02 00:29:09
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2019 May 03 10:08:09
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2019 May 03 01:16:05
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2019 May 01 06:27:25
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2019 May 01 06:22:36
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2019 May 01 05:40:26
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Where are matured Sangha?
« on: September 27, 2018, 04:18:21 AM »
Dear Venerables and Upasakas,
I would like to raise a question which seems like silly but not really silly.

What is the sub-tradition/country-region where considerable number of elderly teacher sangha live in, in present days?

The Blessed One has said that the company of admirable-friends (kalyana mitta) is not a part but the whole of the holy life.

I wish even to reside in such a place/sub-tradition, if following qualities of the monks are met.

1.Considerable number of practicing elderly bhikkhus
2.Good Vinaya
3.Sangha Samaggi (meetings and compliance with each other)

May you all find a society of Kalyana Mittas !

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Re: Where are matured Sangha?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2018, 06:28:54 AM »
Sadhu!

That is a very kusala desire if the desire is toward performing causes. If the desire is toward fruits it will cause nothing but pain. It's actually in accordiance the first lesson a disciple would receive. The foundation to grow in Dhamma.

If my person remembers right (one can reflect on the Maha Mangala Sutta as well):

1. Coming in touch with the good teachings (living in a period a Buddha and his heritage is present in ones (!) world.
2. to live in an Area where Dhamma is flourishing, e.g people at large follow right view (kamma, gratitute, generosity, parents, elders...)
3. being in accociation with admirable friends, not with Balas.
4. having done merits in the past.

At large, to answer, my person fears that the Savaka Sangha has possible left this world, possible still able to rescue and the less departing are not easy to see or to meet even if standing in front.

It's how ever wrong view to believe that the world is void of Arahats and similar.

Once, and only then, one has gained the change of ancestorship one self, one, and only then, one is able to consciously meet the ideal Sangha. Being part of the world it's always merely guessing, hope, desire, luck to meet the Noble Ones or "Mara".

Does Nyom gus understands the message?
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Re: Where are matured Sangha?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2018, 07:16:09 AM »
Okasa Bhante,

Actually I'm not seeking for Arahants at once. I know it is impossible to distinguish ariyas by a puthujjana.

I just need to be in a good sangha society in which there is space for Ariya sangha if there are any (or at least good sangha).

Briefly: To live on a Ariya ground.

Metta.

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Re: Where are matured Sangha?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2018, 07:32:38 AM »
In short Nyom gus : Without leaving home, such is not possible. Does Nyom understand the whole of this repeated message? A matter of upanissayapaccayena (strong condition causes), which is of course not determined but always open to change. Leaving house is required to see the Tathagata (his Dhamma and his Sangha). Seeing the Dhamma/Tathagata one has left house. Ready or still not?

One being in the middle of a "Buddhafield", if still maintaining house, one is not able to recognize. Giving it a try, to abond all 5 (6) kinds of maccharia is the prerequisite to be able to see the Ariya Ground and dwell in it.

If Nyom might give up his fine-material being and try to return here in a human existence, it's easier to understand Dhamma, easier to penetrate Dukkha and easier not being under the leader of the Devas, Mara.
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Re: Where are matured Sangha?
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2018, 07:51:43 AM »
Okasa Bhante,

If one is ready to leave home, then ?

If he ordains in a wrong place or observes nissaya under a wrong upajjhaya, then he will have to spend 5 years to be independent and go to a good place.

Shouldn't one think before leap?

Vandami !

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2018, 09:29:48 AM »
Nyom gus ,

leaving a house to another is what most do when the ordain. Only if Seeing another, they leave.
Also leaving house might be not proper understood. (Aside of this one might be right, but remember the story of Maha Kassapa)

Let my person explain it later verbal and maybe Nyom is able to appear as human and in proper ways here as well till then.

A housholder will/would take refuge/ordain under householders, a pabbajita is of course not able to ordain under householders, and yes it's difficult to find a complete Sangha of Savakas who are not fallen into the live of householders. Very difficult. Nevertheless, leaving home under the Tripple Gems is still possible and this fist step requires just a single proper person and yes, the risk that no new house will ever be reacged anymore. Ready to leave home (taking the sense and their objects and all arising with it for real)?
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Re: Where are matured Sangha?
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2018, 05:24:07 PM »
Okasa,
Only if Seeing another, they leave.
Also leaving house might be not proper understood.

the risk that no new house will ever be reacged anymore.
I think I should keep strengthening the full-faith in kamma in order to maintain the readiness of mind for facing anything.

Vandami.

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2018, 06:30:56 PM »
Yes. It's only about gaining right view. Effort (samma) turns around speech, deeds, livelihood and right view. Not samadhi. Makes no sense. That comes by it self one virtue is complete. As a householder generosity, all what works against the 5 (6) kinds of macchariya, is in addition importand.

May Nyom tries to give such simple things as given face (vanna macchariya) and Name (family macchariya), th
ake on a human birth here (leave the states of low Devas and Asuras of common internet-places), and it might be a first step of being able to get the heart open to hear pabbajito-Dhamma, having sacrificed this thought but useless protection.

It's now late and Atma leaves it to Nyom gus and nearly no internet-connection (hard to open a page and post). It's surfingtime in the cities...

Only short on "What should we do when dying": That's propably to late, but good to reflect that it could be next moment, to get not hold back by things that will be lost anyway and to start to learn "dying".

There is by the way a good place to formal request Dhamma-talks. This "silas" help a lot. Don't forget, as my person things he knows well, this world here is not different as to come to a monastery in more material ārāmaṃ/world/vihāre.

* Johann : (May Nyom guide other lay people who really do not know things at all with that what he had learned by his traditional ancestors, of what is proper, not usuall, cool, or modern. If Nyom is prepared, Atma will talk 48h till it may be understood. No problem.)
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