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metta-practice vs. Sangha-dana
« on: September 28, 2018, 02:15:58 AM »
In relation to this merits done here , my person allows/ed himself to speak a little on this topic:

Quote from: Upasaka Gus
It has been mentioned that single moment of Metta gives more wholesome kamma than hundred samghika danas (offerings to sangha).

 _/\_ Venerable members of the Sangha,
Venerable Fellows,
Upasaka/Upasaika,
Ntom gus
interested,

Namo tassa Bhagavato Arahato Samma Sambuddhasa



May possible errors or missing things, may what ever statement and question be raised so that no doubt in regard of the good Dhamma remains for the benefit of many, out of compassion for others and formost toward one self.

Som Anumodana puñña kusala!
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Re: metta-practice vs. Sangha-dana
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2018, 05:45:22 AM »
Sadhu Sadhu Bhante!

I'm grateful for your clarification and advice.

As you said,
  • If one do metta as an excuse for his bad sila and ajiva, it is not the proper way.
  • If one do metta with lust, it is not the proper way.

And I guess the following sentence in the Metta sutta stresses the avoidance of such defiled ways of doing metta.
"ditthim ca anupagamma silava dassanena sampano"

I think above sentence stresses that metta practice should be done,
  • without incorrect views (ditthim ca anupagamma),
  • with sila (silava)
  • with correct vision (dassanena sampano)

Yet, I think, one should only be afraid of incorrect practice of metta, not of metta.

I have heard from Bhikkhu Nanananda:
  • Metta is a great weapon. Metta is a necessary weapon. Don't go to war without this weapon.
  • If the Buddha asked even his own son ,venerable Rahula, a person with great parami, to do metta, why should not we do metta?

And from Sayadaw U jotika:
  • Insight without metta is dry and unsuccessful.

And from the Perfect One:

  • In metta sutta, the Buddha advices to do metta like a mother protects her only-son with her life. (Ayu sa eka puttam anurakkhe)
  • At the end of metta sutta, the Buddha says that one will become a non-returner if he do metta in the way described. (nahi jatu gabbha seyyam punareti)
  • Mettanisamsa sutta points out many benefits of metta ceto vimutti.
  • Mettanisamsa sutta also says if one practice metta correctly and fails to attain a higher state, then he will be born in Brahma realm at least.(uttarim appativijjhanto brahma lokupago hoti)
  • In Lona phala suttathe Blessed One explains how to weaken the power of already-accumulated-bad-kamma using metta.

Bhikku Nanananda says this  Lona phala sutta is a very special sutta and a huge release for all the sentient beings in the world, because it describes how to decay the power of past-evil-kamma.

With Metta.

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Re: metta-practice vs. Sangha-dana
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2018, 07:11:46 AM »
Sadhu!

Two point, possible good when stressing them (modern and popular thing to normally sell better by teaching metta-meditation to those not really ready, no right view as foundation: e.g. the Uposatha of the Ningantas/Jain). The Karaṇīya Metta Sutta (mostly excellent taught and explained by most Ven. Nyanadassana Maha Thera "the Greek" here )has an importand starter not quotet yet:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Sakko ujū ca sūjū ca,

Upright and very upright,

It's not meant for those wishing to give "money to police" since Dhamma is untouchable, not open for corruption. And please, in this way, one should not think that metta-practice without having entered the stream and abounded strong akusala kamma, is able to "decay the power of past-evil-kamma", for such is what the villager hopes by doing sacrifies toward chief, King, Devas, police. Not different. It helps to ask those of certain short power for pardon and promis not to harm, butjust as long as those are in charge. The untouchable judge will come. Metta = Sila. One who acts on right view act with metta.

Another point often mistaken: Metta means goodwill and not as often wrong translated: "like a mother her only son: "love al being"... no like a mother has teribble attachment toward her son, one should protect his attitude of goodwill (e.g. ones right view, Sila, right intention is the son here, not all beings. They are protected once one looks after himself as a result.) Here a good teaching by most Ven. Thanissaro Maha Thera, with probable more smooth words: Mettā means Goodwill

Here again: one who actually helps and gives, even if looking (unpopular) not so much in equanimity, if doing right shows more metta as someone hiding somehow on fear behind his gifts of "giving money to those who might possible catch him"

So to come back to Nyom gus practice of metta at times no other things can be sacrificed it's possible better to rejoice in Muditā, thinking on the goodness of the perfect Nobleones and those who currently serve them, develope sympatic joy at the time one thinks he has no ways to make merits, like the wonderful story of the two friends/brothers in Ajahn Lees The Demons of Defilement: (Kilesa Mara) and some other currently do while Nyom gus outwardly acts, themselves now not able.

Does Upasaka understands this?

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When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

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October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

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October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

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October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

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October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

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October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.

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