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"Being" at peace, having metta and using vehicles "yana"
« on: September 28, 2018, 02:38:33 PM »
...aside of sammāvāyāmo, samma - "yāna":

That is something that does not fit to each other, is not proper for a serious fellow of the Noble once, has NO reasonable reason aside of greed/attachment as cause, gives approve to the major killer of modern days and heating on Samsara and nobody with what ever vehicle will be faster thenmy person (if counting straight)

Who ever likes to challeng my person, better the for sure the Noble ones and their costums, may give it a try.

("funny" side-story: Having left Dhamma-talks, going for alms, while going back, a certain Nyom gus similar Deva approached, asking: "Ven. Sir. How could the Ven. Sir come to us?" My person answered: "That will be 'difficult' probably. But if serious, and taking on account that my person might need long, or even never arrives, there should be no problem as far as no water separates. It might be that boat/ship is avaliable. Will/would your wish remain a possible long time? Possible better if leaving home yourself wishing to meet, if lasting possession, old merits allow to make a trade for it.")

More might be explained by "Deva" Gus, or Upasaka in this regard.
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Re: "Being" at peace, having metta and using vehicles "yana"
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2018, 11:28:20 AM »
Okasa bhante,

What is the difference between the goodwill of metta and the goodwill of panna?
One practices self-benefit and others'-benefit by applying the panna. This is a goodwill. Metta is also described as good will.
So is metta equal to panna? or Is self benefit not included in metta?

Tough speaking is also a part of goodwill. (pharusena pi aham ...). So, if one has such a thought (like a father force-feeds medicine to a baby), will he be able to be protected from an terrible animal? Isn't that tough thought felt by the animal and get angry?

Vandami.

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Re: "Being" at peace, having metta and using vehicles "yana"
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2018, 09:41:10 PM »
Good, Sadhu Deva gus

What about finding Metta, if searching, as root of Sila, right effort?

Does it require "pañña" to have right effort (samma saṅkappo)?

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"And what is right resolve? Being resolved on renunciation (alobha), on freedom from ill-will (adosa), on harmlessness (amoha): This is called right resolve."

Or other way asked: Is metta without Sila not just hypocratic?

Who does Deva gus prefer? The mouse, or the snake? Does Deva know mices and snakes, their children? So whom to help?

Are their children who possible kill their father? Why does one kill?

Does a thieve steals because he likes to harm? Does a father or mother kill, because he likes to harm?

Does any being harm others because it simply likes to harm?

Does a morder seek for happiness? Does a monk, advicing you wrong, seeks not for happiness, security.

Does the mosquito likes to hurt you? Do you like to hurt? Isn't it not out of fear, out of hope for happiness?

My person tried hard to find any being that not simply hurt him/her/it and others by not actually try to find peace.

So it's possible just the way, just actually not knowing how?

If Deva gus would seek security in signs, would it last?

If Deva would seek security in sound, would it last? Does Deva know any sound that lasts, or any sound he would dislike if hearing all the time, getting angry or learn to ignore it?

What about smell? Not what one has heard or read. Look for youself, Deva.

What about taste? Every day just this curry, or every day another dish? What about it? How much burden and deeds to gain it. What about right after or between?

What about touch? Sitting, lying, fine cloth, ox-cart, car, plane...

Is it possible to have metta if not letting go of it. What does the father love, when he looks after his son, kills a chicken to feed, or fights at the front for his family?

Does he protects his son, what is his son?

What about thought? Did not every tought hurt at least? Maybe try this?

Would metta, right resolve, require seeing, facing, knowing?

What would Sila be, if not based on metta?

What would metta be without being based on right resolve for alobha, adosa, amoha?

The metta of a mouse or a snake?

Isn't this body already broken?

Just some hours again, asked Bhante next as well.

Did Angulimala, could he catch the Samana " Stop, Stop!"

Did the Buddha used any Yana? He said something like "We already stopped."

So where does Deva like to fly to find peace, or where do monks like to drive, fly or use others to bring peace.

My person asked, somewhere else, what cetovimutti, paññavimutti means. Maybe a Pali-grammer-scholar, can explain the freedom from pañña?

My person never met, learned this, not even seeked for it. But alway wondered about the translation grammer or interpretations.

May the Devas join to listen to the Dhamma of the Buddha, generously carried further on goodness and deep faith, some by means of body, some by means of speech, some by means of thought, and much beyond:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Sallekha Sutta: The Discourse on Effacement

Quenching
16. "Cunda, it is impossible that one who is himself sunk in the mire[23] should pull out another who is sunk in the mire. But it is possible, Cunda, that one not sunk in the mire himself should pull out another who is sunk in the mire.

"It is not possible, Cunda, that one who is himself not restrained, not disciplined and not quenched [as to his passions],[24] should make others restrained and disciplined, should make them attain to the full quenching [of passions].[25] But it is possible, Cunda, that one who is himself restrained, disciplined and fully quenched [as to his passions] should make others restrained and disciplined, should make them attain to the full quenching [of passions]. Even so, Cunda:[26]

(1) A person given to harmfulness has harmlessness by which to attain to the full quenching [of it].
(2) A person given to killing living beings has abstention from killing by which to attain to the full quenching [of it].
(3)-(43)...
(44) A person given to misapprehending according to his individual views, to holding on to them tenaciously and not discarding them easily, has non-misapprehension of individual views, non-holding on tenaciously and ease in discarding by which to attain the quenching [of them].

What ever is done for oneself is done for others, what ever one does for others, is done for oneself.

This teaching do not prefere anyone. It's Mahametta with all, starting be one self. Is it panna, or knowing and seeing, release?

Stop Samana!
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Re: "Being" at peace, having metta and using vehicles "yana"
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2018, 09:46:00 PM »
Oh, you have been tired.

Yesterday Bhante said that as well. "Take care about not stepping on snakes." I am to tired to fear... then...

Devas... it's difficult if having terrible much merits ripping, but they exhaust, each day has already gone.

Just remembering the Devas saying last time, when having fallen from their host. Establish it, remember the humans, and then, may you come back again...
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Re: "Being" at peace, having metta and using vehicles "yana"
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2018, 06:36:58 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"And what is right resolve? Being resolved on renunciation (alobha), on freedom from ill-will (adosa), on harmlessness (amoha): This is called right resolve."
Or other way asked: Is metta without Sila not just hypocratic?
Does a thieve steals because he likes to harm? Does a father or mother kill, because he likes to harm?
Does any being harm others because it simply likes to harm?
Does a morder seek for happiness? Does a monk, advicing you wrong, seeks not for happiness, security.
Does the mosquito likes to hurt you? Do you like to hurt? Isn't it not out of fear, out of hope for happiness?
My person tried hard to find any being that not simply hurt him/her/it and others by not actually try to find peace.[/size]

Vandami.

If Deva gus would seek security in signs, would it last?
If Deva would seek security in sound, would it last? Does Deva know any sound that lasts, or any sound he would dislike if hearing all the time, getting angry or learn to ignore it?
What about smell? Not what one has heard or read. Look for youself, Deva.
What about taste? Every day just this curry, or every day another dish? What about it? How much burden and deeds to gain it. What about right after or between?
What about touch? Sitting, lying, fine cloth, ox-cart, car, plane...
Is it possible to have metta if not letting go of it. What does the father love, when he looks after his son, kills a chicken to feed, or fights at the front for his family?
Does he protects his son, what is his son?
What about thought? Did not every tought hurt at least? Maybe try this?
What would metta be without being based on right resolve for alobha, adosa, amoha?
The metta of a mouse or a snake?
Isn't this body already broken?


Vandami.

Did Angulimala, could he catch the Samana " Stop, Stop!"
Did the Buddha used any Yana? He said something like "We already stopped."
So where does Deva like to fly to find peace, or where do monks like to drive, fly or use others to bring peace.
What ever is done for oneself is done for others, what ever one does for others, is done for oneself.
Stop Samana!

Vandami.
This teaching do not prefere anyone. It's Mahametta with all, starting be one self. Is it panna, or knowing and seeing, release?
Vandami.

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Johann

Today at 09:00:29 AM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.

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