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2019 Jan 19 01:28:38
Johann: "A monk with admirable people    as friends — who's reverential, respectful, doing what his friends advise — mindful, alert, attains step by step    the ending of all fetters." iti 17

2019 Jan 18 16:31:13
Johann: ភនតេ មុនី ការភ្ជាប់សំឡេងភ្ជាប់

2019 Jan 18 13:45:40
Johann: Guess all is now proper sorted in the correspondig topic. If something got "lost", put wrongely, may one let it be known.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:49
Johann: Reading, translating the many forzmguides.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:01
Johann: Mudita. Yet much new, much to learn, much to explore: patient is importand, and observing ways of doing things.

2019 Jan 18 07:29:08
Cheav Villa: But not yet finished, .. touched enter  ^-^ and..

2019 Jan 18 07:25:06
Cheav Villa: Bhante Muni actually said.. really enjoyed of dwelling here  _/\_

2019 Jan 18 06:42:04
Johann: much uddhacca-kukkucca, or?

2019 Jan 18 06:10:12
Johann: Bhante Muni wrote: "I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, am greating ñati ñoma (former blood relatives) to the extend of respecting goodwill (metta), I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, really..."

2019 Jan 18 06:01:10
Johann: One easy becomes a browser (neak quial hungry)

2019 Jan 18 05:56:43
Cheav Villa:  :D :D :D _/\_

2019 Jan 18 05:55:26
Johann: Atma is now very busy in cutting, moving, mergle... maybe slowly and with mindfulness: where am I? Whats the topic?...  :)

2019 Jan 18 04:38:03
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុ Bhante Muny 

2019 Jan 18 04:20:34
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 04:19:09
Muni: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាព សូមនមស្សការនិងចម្រើនពរញាតិញោម ដោយសេចក្ដីគោរពរាប់អាន ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាពពិត

2019 Jan 18 03:39:39
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណ​ព្រះអង្គ​ បាននិមន្តចូលរួមវិភាគទាន នៅទីនេះ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 03:39:00
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ​មុនី :D _/\_

2019 Jan 17 16:22:47
Johann: Bhante Muni  _/\_

2019 Jan 17 12:59:11
Johann: So it's enought or would some broken Khmer Audio be of support, Nyom?

2019 Jan 17 09:20:36
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គBhante . ករុណាបានអាមអត្ថបទដែលព្រះអង្គបានផុសជាភាសាអង់គ្លេសនោះ បានយល់ខ្លះៗហេីយ :D :D

2019 Jan 17 06:45:05
Johann: Being become, appeare always where desired Why beings take birth, even in most worse existences and circumstances?

2019 Jan 17 06:41:35
Johann: One becomes and dwells there where one is inclinated (most anusayā), distinguished gross: 1. world, 1. Nibbana.

2019 Jan 17 06:20:33
Cheav Villa: លោកតាទើបចេះពន្យល់ ខ្ញុំ​មិនសូវ​ដឹងឆ្លើយទេ ^-^

2019 Jan 17 06:19:32
Cheav Villa: សូមចូលមកសរសេរសួរលោកតា នៅវត្ត​ កុំសួរតាមMessenger  :D

2019 Jan 17 06:18:35
Cheav Villa: សួស្តី​បងធី​ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 16:33:43
Cheav Villa: Things to read :D

2019 Jan 16 16:27:50
Cheav Villa: Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 15:28:02
Johann: The Story of Culekasataka (Maha Kassapa and his wife in former life)

2019 Jan 16 15:20:13
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 04:07:43
Khemakumara: Nyom Chanroth

2019 Jan 16 02:09:37
Chanroth: សាធុសាធុសាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 02:07:10
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 02:06:36
Chanroth: ជំរាបសួរ Moritz

2019 Jan 16 02:06:31
Johann: "Another day, another possibility. We don't know what tomorrow might be."

2019 Jan 15 19:41:08
Khemakumara: Nyom Moritz

2019 Jan 15 19:38:38
Moritz: Vandami Bhante (Khemakumara) _/\_

2019 Jan 15 17:13:16
Johann: Nyom Puthy, maybe this helps: ការរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុង website .

2019 Jan 15 16:10:29
Ieng Puthy: ព្រះអង្គករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុលាសិនហេីយ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:07:58
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាគ្រាន់តែចូលអាន ករុណាមិនទាន់យល់ពីរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុងwebsite នៅឡេីយទេ ព្រះអង្គ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:00:58
Johann: How ever one feels inspired, has joy, likes to give into.  How can I use the forum purposefully, for myself, as well as for others?

2019 Jan 15 15:57:55
Johann: No need to use all possibilities for merits for one alone but good to invite others to join and become more independend till free.

2019 Jan 15 15:04:39
Johann: no requirement to do all, merits step by step. "The path to nibbana is hard", they say, and don't do even little steps, Nyom. As inspired, its at least a working and concentration camp, Devas delight in creation, Devas having contr. over the creation of others.

2019 Jan 15 14:53:43
Cheav Villa: ព្រះអង្គការបកប្រែមកជាខ្មែរ  មានខុសច្រើនណាស់  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 14:49:16
Khemakumara: leng Puthy

2019 Jan 15 14:48:29
Khemakumara: Nyom leng Pitts

2019 Jan 15 14:45:35
Johann: There is a lot of new for many. If the Nyom Ladies like to help in translating here and there a little, it might be easier for khmer-speaking monks to get informed well.

2019 Jan 15 14:25:23
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 13:33:34
Khemakumara: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 13:32:47
Khemakumara: Bhante Johann _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 13:27:53
Johann: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 10:46:40
Johann: But a topic can be opened everywhere and can then be moved.

2019 Jan 15 10:45:27
Johann: There is also a Link to direct Requests for Teachings - link, so things get not lost.

2019 Jan 15 10:44:12
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាព្រះអង្គ🙏🏻អរព្រះគុុណ ព្រះអង្គ

2019 Jan 15 10:42:55
Johann: Good place is surely at  Dhammatalks - (dhamma desanā)

2019 Jan 15 10:35:06
Johann: Talkbox is not proper, just for greating and small-talk

2019 Jan 15 10:24:47
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ព្រះអង្គ តេីមានធម៌អ្វីដែលអាចកំចាត់ធម៌លោភៈល្អិតនៅក្នុងចិត្តបានដែរឬទេ ?ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Jan 15 10:21:37
Johann: Just open a new topic best, Nyom Puthy (requires some bhava-chanda)

2019 Jan 15 10:17:22
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 15 10:07:10
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe

2019 Jan 15 10:01:15
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គមុនី! ករុណាមានសំណួរ១អំពី អនុស្ស័យកិលេសមាន៧ គឺ 1-កាមរាគានុស្ស័យ 2-ភវនុស្ស័យ3

2019 Jan 15 09:31:36
Cheav Villa:  :)  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:27:54
Chanroth: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុន្នី ពីរអាស្រមថ្មទូក_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:21:46
Chanroth: បាតជំរាបសួរបងស្រី ខ្ញុំមិនទាន់បានធ្វេីនៅឡេីយទេ ពីព្រោះខ្ញុំឈឺ បានធូហេីយ តែមិនទាន់បាត់ថ្លោះករនៅឡេីយ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 08:57:49
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុនី  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 07:34:19
Johann: Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 05:57:47
Cheav Villa: តើពូកំពុងជួយការងារលោកតាមែនទេ?តើនៅអាស្រមមានកង្វះខាតអ្វីទេនៅពេលនេះ

2019 Jan 15 05:54:51
Cheav Villa: ជំរាបសួរពូចាន់រ័ត្ន _/\_

2019 Jan 15 01:12:12
Johann: And "we" wouldn't always know or find out but need to relay on one who know

2019 Jan 15 01:06:48
Johann: There are two kinds of sadness and happiness, of which one of each is conductive for liberation, one not.

2019 Jan 15 01:02:24
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we always be able to find out for ourselves how much attachment we accumulate, and whether this brings us happiness or sorrow! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 15 01:00:52
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mögen wir immer  selbst herausfinden kӧnnen, wie viel Anhaftung wir anhäufen und ob  diese Anhaftung uns die Frӧhlichkeit oder  die Traurigkeit bringt! Dhamma Grüβe aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 13:52:41
Johann: Nyom Puthy. May you all have good Dhamma conversations with each other, don't be shy on that. Atma will go to rest.

2019 Jan 14 13:48:00
Johann: ញោម ចាន់រ័ត្ន

2019 Jan 14 12:49:01
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 12:36:20
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we possess the causes of blissfulness always! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 12:35:18
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mӧgen wir immer die Ursachen der Glückseligkeit besitzen! Dhamma Grüβe  aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 10:20:32
Johann: "នាងវិសាខា ក្រាបបង្គំទូលថា ថ្ងៃនេះខ្ញុំម្ចាស់រក្សាឧបោសថៈព្រះអង្គ។"...

2019 Jan 14 09:49:40
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 06:59:34
Cheav Villa: Jain-Upossathaកូណាមុិនទាន់យល់ន័យនៃពាក្យនេះទេ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 05:12:41
Johann: "មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន"... មែន(sense)ទុក្ខឬមិន? Where?

2019 Jan 14 04:57:55
Johann: Buddha and Savaka do not teach Jain-Uposatha: អ្នកណា​មាទុក្ខ? , Sadhu

2019 Jan 14 04:50:21
Johann: ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល! មានទេមិនមាន ... ការនិយាយអំពីសត្វ។ ធម៌ទាំងអស់មានមូលហេតុ ដូច្នេះ: រឿងដំបូងនៅលើកដំបូង!

2019 Jan 14 04:21:59
Cheav Villa: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន ជាអនត្តាធម៌ ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល  _/\_

2019 Jan 14 04:16:00
Johann: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួនទេ = មិនមែនទុក្ខទេ

2019 Jan 14 04:06:00
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 14 04:05:16
Johann: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា !

2019 Jan 14 02:18:42
Chanroth: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា

2019 Jan 13 15:16:49
Johann: First things first , very recommended, hearing the Uposatha of the Jains from the Villages all the time here.

2019 Jan 13 15:05:49
Johann: again and again coming back to Dhamma, Punja? Habits become destinies.

2019 Jan 13 14:53:42
Johann: coming back seems to be niccaŋ

2019 Jan 13 14:40:52
Cheav Villa: អនិច្ចំ *sgift*

2019 Jan 13 14:29:43
Ieng Puthy:  Chom reap leah , good bye🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:18:50
Moritz: Chom reap leah, good bye _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:11:50
Ieng Puthy: Hello Master Morithz🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:07:24
Moritz: Hello Ieng Puthy _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:07:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jan 13 13:54:34
Ieng Puthy: ជំរាបសួរ បងចាន់រ័ត្ន Bong Chanroth 🙏🏼សូមបងឆាប់បានជាសះស្បេីយ

2019 Jan 13 13:49:26
Johann: Meister Moritz

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Two monks seek for a good monastery
« on: September 30, 2018, 11:10:08 PM »
Okasa bhante,

Two forest monks (bhikkhu and samanera) in Sri Lanka seek for information about good forest monasteries/teachers in Thailand or Burma. They hope to go and stay for a long time or stay permanently. Yet they don't believe the information on websites. They only consider advises coming from forest monks.

I'll be grateful if you could post an advice in this regard?

Vandami.

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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2018, 02:02:47 AM »
Sadhu, Sadhu for the care!

Straight forward. There is no such as a secure home for forest-dweller found. Each so called "forest-monastery" is simply nonsens, and promoted and marked for householders, monks and lay-people as such.

To meet kammathana-monks, teacher, one must beginn the path. To live a homeless live of a wandering beggar, one must leave live.

Having had guided Bhante Indaññāno. some times to Sri Lanka, in a forest monastery, total alone, it was because he had to totally leave home, no refuge at all, no language, nobody to speak, no same kind...

If the Ven. like to really walk into the battle, it's good to do it alone for each other. What ever place seems to be serious about Vinaya. It might be difficult in regard of visa, support for such... if holding such things. But one getting in this "secure" support and providing, it's also difficult to leace home.

How ever, much encouragement for the Ven. to leave land, home, refuge of "same"-kind and so on.

Bhante Subhuti might know starting places, might possible help in what is possible to help, thinking he has still contact to Burma and knows Sri Lanka as well.

Bhante Paññobhāsa might be of help for starting points in Burma.

Bhante Martin Piyadhammo (disciple of Ajahn Bowa, from Germany) might help in regard of Thailand.

Also Bhante Hasapanno , dwelling as Mahanikaya origin together with Dhammayut Monks, in Australia and used to walk like an rino, might be of help for starting points.

Yet all of them, as it seems, are much busy and much involved to care a lot for householders.

Please, if possible take care of alk this Visa and formal things as lay people. Don't let Monks get involved, althought usually, and there is a lot, lot of merits, to provide monks the possibility of not being caught behind borders.

Monks can not provide each other with formal things. If they do, can, organice, they are certain bond or in debt. So please do never count in this regard and talk with other lay people to manage such things.

Encourage monks to meet here at sangham.et, each other, in the monastic, not public area, beyond borders as long such is possible and given, help them to access, help them to meet each other easy, without borders and often. Turn them away from facebook and other contacts and states territories to stay homeless or become really homeless and live only in Refuge of the Gems.

Less are left, less have found firm refuge, less are "free like birds" yet not fearing to be also caught and eaten by their past ripping deeds.

(Also, be sure that monks you support have actually good and right attentions and are able to carry only 8 things and no begs and signs of householders, can live by only being provided by their alms bowl. It otherwise cause damage for future Monks seeking support by good fellows and lay people as well)
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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2018, 02:22:01 AM »
Okasa,
Vandami on your advises.

Out of topic: Bhante I/many would like to know what attracted you to live in Cambodia. Teachers or solitude or sangha?

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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 08:26:21 AM »
* Johann : Upanissaya, kamma, following the path, seeking possibilities to live a samma life, goodness of others: "being blessed",  ...Asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ etaṁ maṅgalamuttamaṁ.... Focus just on causes and let fruits come as they come.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 08:35:18 AM »
Okasa bhante, what actually does upanissaya mean here?
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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 09:06:06 AM »
Didn't wrote all and connection-break down..

* Johann : Upanissaya, kamma, following the path, seeking possibilities to live a samma life, goodness of others: "being blessed",  ...Asokaṁ virajaṁ khema (khemara, skr, Khmer, "Camdiodian", word-play with use and meaning, origin)ṁ etaṁ maṅgalamuttamaṁ.... Focus just on causes and let fruits come as they come. Desire to give and let go, help... no wishes for what ever gain or being/becoming this or that... dhammajāta...

If Nyom gus likes to help in provinding access to here, it's possible, the Sangha is given, to share email accounts, access... it's good if lay people take care on it, assist in all things, it's good if Nyom focus on maintaining a good relation to the generous giver of this place (Upasaka Moritz , Upasika Sophorn ) and a matter of duty in his relations.
And "please"!! Stop this not faith and trust supporting hiding face and name, it shows that there is still much doubt in kamma, and the juwels. For a person having faith it's not proper. Even for normal tradition, folksways, it's actually very impolite and not proper for one who knows and is informed. It's the modesty of someone in fear, deluded modesty, if thought that this is the intention. If having reasonable reason to fear, better to use householders/monks ways of modern days in comic forums and on hunter and gatherer places in commercial sorounding. That's a specially "family" place and for those who desire to become part of it, by finding it worthy to support.

There is also no problem to use other language, script... and there are ways to make it more accessible for Sinhalese language as well, if thinking or wishing to prepare easy and comfortable ways to walk for those worthy of it (e.g. focus on the Noble Sangha and good following disciples and their following by mind)

Okasa bhante, what actually does upanissaya mean here?
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* Johann : People, place of dwelling, food, weather... are all matters of strong conditions/fundations/base (Upanissaya-Paccaya and the given causes for it. (Monks, Theras, always used to say, when meeting/met, "very high upanissaya. Nowhere to find, never met...", probably ask them.) Given causes previous and each moment. Where ever one tends to, there he/she lands, that's what or where one arises and beyond. That's why repeating "leaving home first" all the time, since Dhamma can not be seen, Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha, never met, if not giving up house first (especially in it's dhammic meaning, manigfold). My person can not trace many places in this world left, where the holly live can be lived if having certain necessary right intention, effort, Upanissaya for it. Impossible for common people at the same time, impossible for householders, used to fine sorted households.

Deva gus knows that my person tells much, not hidden, which would be not proper in certain circumstances, yes? So don't get attached to it at all.
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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 10:06:31 AM »
Another thing, very important, often violated. Support, dwelling, welcome, should be provided by lay people of the area a dwelling. It's totally improper, harming... bad, if such dwelling is supported simply from outside. Even within countries. Whole monasteries are often maintained by people far away, sometimes like occupations. There is no merits for the nearby people, often also payed or making an earning rather to use the Sangha or single Monks as a field of merits.

Like also in the west often: that leads all to conflicts, corruption and is not supportive for anybody.

If ordinary people actually are not given to look after beggars, normal laws don't allow it, contracts or dependencies others than proper in ones relations are necessary, if there is no invitation of a King, real governing head of state, or landlord, potent and free layperson: don't purchase it. Lot of suffering, compromises... and lead by raw Bhava-tanha.

Again, althought often Monks take care on things they actually could not, how ever "compassioned", do not bring them in situations where they would possible need to leave Vinaya, proper and given.

So that a good relation between Monks is possible, lay people and their leader need to invest into maintaining good relations as well, highly respect each other and build on Sanghavatthu and the Brahmaviharas.

It's the tome of Pchum Ben here, ancestor halfmonth, where all communities travel to each other, visit each other across the land, and increase by this ways good relation and all factors for a health and united larger community in kusala and traditional way, and it would be great to see that growing over borders of nations in same way.

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 10:52:53 AM »
Okasa,
Vandami for your repeated advise on the value of Nekkhamma. May this advising kusala strengthen your already done Nekkhamma furthermore.

Another thing, very important, often violated. Support, dwelling, welcome, should be provided by lay people of the area a dwelling. It's totally improper, harming... bad, if such dwelling is supported simply from outside.
I have noticed this in many places. And I have seen some monks who don't do this, yet many of them have some other problems like too much anger or mana. Utlimately however the compassionate rich monks win.

Unfortunately many of wellknown masters prefer the support from outside.

Yet, some monasteries like wat pa pong are said to have support from both village and outside.

It is hard to find a successful sub-lineage which have continued a simple monastery supporting system for a long time.

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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2018, 11:38:19 AM »
Aniccaṃ mean not just decay: change, not possible to get under control, still arising and decay for one, on and on. The Buddha and his dispiples... not even in his time practice, monasteries, groups... have stayed at one place.

It's the householder-illusion of dreaming that Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha can be domesticated aside of individuals Upanissaya. Same place, same people, one meets, one not. Same place a year later total fallen left. Another person a year later, meeting another ārammaṇa (word-play).

My person knows of not one so called forest-monastery where monks not actually care about money in different ways (mind, speech, deeds...). Forest-monasteries are naturally subject to be simply nonsens and the "sages" usually go astray because troubles with dividing the many offerings...

When finding good places, they consitst if good on possible 3-6 Bhikkhus, some Samaneras and are usually unknown even two Villages far. And Bhikkhus of this kind, even if dwelling in monasteries for a while, seldom stay two vassas on one and same place, which would need extreme hight Upanissaya with the lay people around or more common corrupted livelihood (in improper dependency on 1,2, 3..5 families, villages).

Quote from: Deva gus
too much anger or mana

Yes, can be big problem. Especially if still having much desires ("it must be like this, that...").

People often report that it's not possible, no other monk could stay, do, even if having assistent, holding money, big following... here, in this way...

My person thinkd that it is not different anywhere else. Again, Dhamma-Vinaya does not depend on jātī, in all it's many meanings and use, but is simply a matter of upanissayapaccayena, anatta, hard to controll aside of simply leaving it to best causes possible.

Quote from: Deva gus
May this advising kusala strengthen your already done Nekkhamma furthermore.

Where does Deva like to have this person that it is perfect for him?
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Re: Two monks seek for a good monastery
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2018, 11:43:47 AM »
And: if trying to find such perfect conditions for others, having not talent in certain abhiññas. No way at all. Suffering like parents loving (desire) to controll their children. A lot of suffering, wrong doing... out of this.

That does not mean to give no paccaya if able to, butto really give and let go. Than it is at least purified on one side and in this way also of great help for personal receiver, gives debt toward Nibbana.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2018, 12:05:07 PM »
No no bhante. I meant just your renouncing skill.
May your advising dana make your nekkhamma skill/parami fulfilled like the ascending moon. !

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2018, 12:13:25 PM »
* Johann It was promted to do not post the slight smile (German: *schmunzel*) and let it run it's way.

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