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2024 Mar 24 19:07:11
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ 😌

2024 Mar 24 14:13:29
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 24 06:25:25
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha by following the conducts of the Arahats.

2024 Mar 23 13:11:16
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 21 01:07:56
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 21 00:28:58
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 14:25:49
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 20 12:06:29
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Mar 20 11:24:06
blazer: Good morning everyone  _/\_

2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

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Author Topic: "Don't believe even the teacher's advice without thinking" - Ajahn Chah  (Read 3620 times)

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Okasa,

I have read somewhere Ajahn Chah advising monks, saying something similar to the below.

"Don't believe even my advice without thinking and agreeing. If you believe just because of the faith, your primordial mind (thiti bhutam) have always doubts. Then you can't keep the stability of the action."

It seems he was stressing the value of investigation and upright faith.


Vandami.

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Okasa,

Here I found the original.
Quote from: Clarity of Insight - Ajahn Chah
Once the mind is clearly seeing the impermanence of phenomena, we call it
thitibhutam – the internal witness. It is self-sustaining. Hence in the beginning, you should only accept as the truth
about fifty per cent of the things other people tell you.
On one occasion the Buddha gave a discourse to a group of monks, and afterwards asked Venerable
Sariputta, who had been listening:
" Sariputta, do you believe what I have been teaching you? "
" I still don't believe it, Bhante" Sariputta replied. The Buddha was pleased with this response and
continued,
" That is good Sariputta. You shouldn't believe any teaching people give you too easily. A sage must
contemplate thoroughly everything they hear before accepting it fully. You should take this teaching away with you
and contemplate it first."
Even though he had received a teaching from the Buddha himself, Venerable Sariputta didn't
immediately believe every single word of it. He was heedful of the right way to practise, and took the teaching away
with him to investigate it further. He would only accept the teaching if, after reflecting upon the Buddha’s explanation
of the truth, he found that it stimulated the arising of wisdom in his own mind; if this insight led his mind to become at
one with the Dhamma, and that Dhamma to become fixed within his mind. It had to be in accordance with the truth of
the way things are. The Buddha taught his disciples to accept a point of Dhamma only if, beyond all doubt they found
it to be in line with the way things are in reality -- as seen both from one’s own and other people’s experience.

Okasa bhante, I will be grateful if you could just mention the sutta where above discussion of ven. sariputta takes place.

Vandami.

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It has been posted in same ways, maybe two, three years ago here,, quoting Ajahn Chah and the Sutta, by Atma (my person). It might need a little till Atma remembers the place (topic) again, Deva gus .
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Deva gus ,

Buddhas "test": Pubbakotthaka Sutta: Eastern Gatehous, SN 48:44 .

The story in Living Dhamma, Living wit Dhamma in the World , by Ven. Ajahn Chah (where my person reminded this statement by him) shows maybe also how "Kassapas" find special Nekkhamma, to an extend that not even instruction when the Buddha ask for, to certain young monks/new.

Faith in Awakening , by Ven. Thanissaro also provides with the proper context of this statement in the progress.

This "don't believe" is not for neither sekha nor a-sekha, as long as not seen by one self, even not finally and should be not thought as a general advice (remembering also the right understandig of the Kalama Sutta, thought as invitation to follow ones logic, ideas... as a replacement of Saddha).

It's totaly just food for Mara and illusion, if addopted by "householder", althought very popular and totally wrong introduced by "Dhamma-dealers" in marketing-manner "you can!", "be independent", "free!"

The combination might also give satisfaction on the root of "spinning around" present in many topic, and fundamental, often problematic topic "critic "

If not satisfied, no pīti arises, may it be told.
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Okasa bhante,

So what do you think about ajahn Chah's teachings?
Are they not acceptable?

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For the most they are "Mahayana"! Higher Virtue, Concentration, Wisdom.

E.g. Teachings for those having left home (on the path), to become Arahats.

Provide certain dangers for householders since to advanced when mind is actually totaly outwardly.

"Householder-disciple" (of him), if meeting Ajahn Chah approaches them personally, are confronted by him, quickly hate Ajahn Chah.

Most people still don't know the essence of meditation practice. They think that walking meditation, sitting meditation and listening to Dhamma talks are the practice. That's true too, but these are only the outer forms of practice. The real practice takes place when the mind encounters a sense object. That's the place to practice, where sense contact occurs. When people say things we don't like there is resentment, if they say things we like we experience pleasure. Now this is the place to practice. How are we going to practice with these things? This is the crucial point. If we just run around chasing after happiness and away from suffering all the time we can practice until the day we die and never see the Dhamma. This is useless. When pleasure and pain arise how are we going to use the Dhamma to be free of them? This is the point of practice...
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Okasa bhante,

So do you mean,

"Ajahn Chah's teachings are good and correct, but only for people left home, and not for housholeders" ?
or
"unacceptable and mixed with Mahayana ideas" ?

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At certain point, if the "home" is not left, they can be Mohayana teaching. People at large, householder, love Mohayana, and it does not depend of either they think they are follower of this or that school. It does not matter which outwardly occupation, way of making a living.

But the same counts for teaching of the Buddha, missing context, and if taken and not given, based on the wrong way to attain them. They become poision, or bite like snakes, grasped wrong.

Householders get/take Mahayana teachings, "higher paths", and it's because not having made the home task (German: Haus-aufgabe, giving up (at) home, before... that what children have to do before next morning. word-play), there is no fundation. Having not given in advanced.

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Okasa,

Is that mean "there is no unacceptable teaching of ajahn chah"?

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Let Deva gus let my person answer with another famous persons teaching:

http://accesstoinsight.eu

It's not necessary to hear the good Dhamma from a Buddha/Arahat direct. It's needed that there is no avija-phassa.

When ever touched "at heart", Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha are seen. One has to leave home first.

Why seeking for a home as refuge?

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Okasa bhante,

I understand what you say about "good, better and best'. And there is no any confusion about the best approach.

If it is allowed to live an pure and independent life lonely, without living under a teacher during the first five years, I think many will do that.

Where they happened to face the problem is when they couldn't find an independent teacher who has not any obligations with lay people or monasteries.

Teachers don't like a student monk who demands/claims high virtues of ajiva than him. Many teachers expel or discourage such students.

On the other hand, the students who live an solitary life without nissaya (because they couldn't find a proper forest teacher), is subject to down-fall.

Many have had to confuse between,
Forest-less teacher and Teacher-less forest
or
Ajivaparisuddhi-less Nissaya and Nissaya-less Ajivaparisuddhi

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If it is allowed to live an pure and independent life lonely, without living under a teacher during the first five years, I think many will do that.

It's "allowed" under certain conditions, under certain determinations. But honest: there would be many confused forest-dweller outside there. But even that, what's the problem: "One can laught at them, if returning to the monastery for medicine." Or just best reintegrate.

If they all would not carry passport, Monk-identifications and human-right. My person really sees no problem at all. And if wishing to kick one, the does Kamma.

May my person ask as for what a person, having gained independency from a teacher, would need Nissaya aside of progressing while Dukkha is not abounded yet?

And yes, that is why the Buddha gave rules in the Mahavagga, of who may accept pupils or young fellows.

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...independent teacher...
How does one know? By living together... and what's the problem to walk on if "great love toward ones father fades" or never existed? Gratitude is a real problem if having grown up with "rights", "claim", "demands"... thinking ones goodness and greatness, "I deserve it" had nurished him all the time till, since "able" walk on to possible eat away his last credits. Then they say "my Nissaya is over, I have to go back to the lower life"

Not sure of how monks are called in Sri Lanka, but here they are usually still adressed by "I, Lord of compassion", Preah, Prah (thai.), Brah (pali) by lay people, and monks, it of good community would adress each other equally in respect and not with "you", "john"...

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Teachers don't like a student monk who demands/claims high virtues of ajiva than him. Many teachers expel or discourage such students.

What's the problem? What's the need of a teacher if thinking already better then him? What would he learn?

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Many have had to confuse between,
Forest-less teacher and Teacher-less forest
or
Ajivaparisuddhi-less Nissaya and Nissaya-less Ajivaparisuddhi

And did the Buddha ever generally encouraged to seek for an Arahat in the forest, or to stay with the a community?

Let people worry about Bhikkuni-Ordination..  :) rather to try their best that the possible lasting Savaka-Sangha meet together, get's open roads and straighten out their unity aside of normal society.

What ever is hold, is lost, or is it improper to draw this from "What ever is given, is not lost."
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Okasa bhante,
I'm grateful and pay Vandana on your advices.

Not sure of how monks are called in Sri Lanka, but here they are usually still adressed by "I, Lord of compassion", Preah, Prah (thai.), Brah (pali) by lay people, and monks, it of good community would adress each other equally in respect and not with "you", "john"...
In Sri Lanka monks are addressed "swamin wahanse" (Owner Lord) by younger monks and lay people. Sometimes "Bhante" is used.
Younger monks are addressed "ayushmatun wahanse" (ayasma) by elder monks. occasionally "Avuso" is used.
Lay people and monks who are not familiar with forest traditions, use "hamuduruvo" (Owner Son) to address any younger or elder monk.

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Teachers don't like a student monk who demands/claims high virtues of ajiva than him. Many teachers expel or discourage such students.
What's the problem? What's the need of a teacher if thinking already better then him? What would he learn?
I meant if a student need to do dhutangas or follow strict vinaya practices, It is difficult for him to live with a teacher who doesn't have similar virtues. But the teacher may have many virtues and wisdom in other areas.
(eg: Student doesn't like to contact with supporters yet monastery need him to do, Student doesn't like to go to households yet monastery need him to do ..etc.)
If he lives there without being compliant with the teacher's way, the teacher thinks him as disobedient student.

Though there are little number of monks who follow same principles, he can't easily find a nissaya-dayaka teacher who follow or allow such practices.

If he adapted to the monastery's or teacher's way, after living more than 5 years, he will end up with having used to unwanted habits and bonds due to upanissaya. 

It seems either he should secure teacher at the expense of upright practice, or secure upright practice at the expense of teacher. What is the correct way?

*  According to the Dhatu Samyuttha, I think, only the people with similar characteristics can build up a successful relationship.(Like the the wise monks live with Sariputta thero, ascetic monks live with Mahakassapa thero, vinayadhara monks live with Upali thero, ...etc.)

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According to the Dhatu Samyuttha, I think, only the people with similar characteristics can build up a successful relationship.(Like the the wise monks live with Sariputta thero, ascetic monks live with Mahakassapa thero, vinayadhara monks live with Upali thero, ...etc.)

So what's the problem not to meet? Possible ones tendency, not willing to leave a long maintained home?

All what one could lose by letting go is rebirth or? Where does one like to go or become what?

A famous forest monk? It's really not so that others put one in a prison of desire, tanha. Where is the problem? Who likes to protect whom?

(and yes, lay people introduced here, would say "lok majas" wordly "Lord owner" here and there is no fear to give respect to each other under monks as well, in good groups)

One should never forget that great laypeople with much devotion, or great disciples, or even great servants are a blessing for one formal in a higher position.

Khmer monks like to Burma, Thai to Sri Lanka, Burmese...

And what, aside of simply not dwelling with "allergy", if good investigated and known, by the Buddha, if introduced, would Ajahn Chah say?

MANGE

The Buddha said, “Monks, did you see the jackal running around here in the evening? Did you see him? Standing still it suffered. Running around it suffered. Sitting down it suffered. Lying down it suffered. Going into the hollow of a tree, it suffered. Going into a cave, it felt ill at ease. It suffered because it thought, 'Standing here isn't good. Sitting isn't good. Lying down isn't good. This bush isn't good. This tree hollow isn't good. This cave isn't good.' So it kept running all the time. Actually, that jackal has mange. Its discomfort doesn't come from the bush or the tree hollow or the cave, from sitting, standing, or lying down. It comes from the mange.”

You monks are the same. Your discomfort comes from your wrong views. You hold onto ideas that are poisonous and so you're tormented. You don't exert restraint over your senses, so you blame other things. You don't know what's going on inside you. When you stay here at Wat Nong Pah Pong, you suffer. You go to America and suffer. You go to London and suffer. You go to Wat Bung Wai and suffer. You go to every branch monastery and suffer. Wherever you go, you suffer. This comes from the wrong views that still lie within you. Your views are wrong and you hold onto ideas that are poisonous in your hearts. Wherever you go you suffer. You're like that jackal.

Once you recover from your mange, though, you can be at ease wherever you go: at ease out in the open, at ease in the wild. I think about this often and keep teaching it to you because this point of Dhamma is very useful.

Is it the heartwood of the Buddhad teaching that someone, a savior might come one day? Or that one can  liberate oneself by following a path, the Gem?

It's such a subtil mythos, that old days have been better, or. Why than did one wait and still hopes one comes, having missed a chance long time ago already?

And every morning and evening chanting "timeless..."

Doubt and ingratitude, especially to ones own many sacrifices done, to be blessed to still see traces, blessed that the words have been so long transmitted, by so many, even if "just sacrifies" for their ancestors, or for oneself later. Some even simply tried to imitate to keep it alive, maybe also for later...

One does not know if not leaving home but seeks for another house, fearing (possible rightous) to be not supported, gain "bad" "parents"...

Who made one to come here, Deva gus ?

Can anyone force Deva to decisions?

Why beings take birth, even in most worse existences and circumstances?

Who forces one to go back home again?
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Okasa,
Who likes to protect whom?
And what, aside of simply not dwelling with "allergy", if good investigated and known, by the Buddha, if introduced, would Ajahn Chah say?
Is it the heartwood of the Buddha teaching that someone, a savior might come one day? Or that one can  liberate oneself by following a path, the Gem?
It's such a subtil mythos, that old days have been better, or. Why than did one wait and still hopes one comes, having missed a chance long time ago already?
And every morning and evening chanting "timeless..."
One does not know if not leaving home but seeks for another house, fearing (possible rightous) to be not supported, gain "bad" "parents"...
Who made one to come here, Deva gus ?

I'm grateful on your advises. Vandami.

One should never forget that great laypeople with much devotion, or great disciples, or even great servants are a blessing for one formal in a higher position.
Doubt and ingratitude, especially to ones own many sacrifices done, to be blessed to still see traces, blessed that the words have been so long transmitted, by so many, even if "just sacrifies" for their ancestors, or for oneself later. Some even simply tried to imitate to keep it alive, maybe also for later...

It is very wholesome to hear a talk about gratitude, because,
"Katannu katavedi puggalo dullabho lokasmin".

Can anyone force Deva to decisions?
Who forces one to go back home again?

No sir, I was afraid of longtime companionship upanissaya that may lead to weaken one's virtues slowly.

Vandami

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